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05-14-2009, 06:02 PM
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SWORD/Sword Fighting Discussion: Fencing was fun!
I know that carrying around a tiny little dagger and back-stabbing people is terribly thiefy, but the sword fighting system in Thief 1 & 2 was a lot more fun.
You know, just saying. In case the devs where still deciding on what melee weapon to use. 
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05-14-2009, 06:05 PM
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It wasn't very...good though. The sword fighting in Thief was terrible.
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05-14-2009, 06:09 PM
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I agree with darth on that point... the sword fighting was terrible, but really it makes sense since you're a thief not a seasoned knight. I did like that I could defend myself better with a sword, but I could utilize a dagger better... so I'd go with the dagger. If I'm doing my job... I shouldn't need to defend myself often now should I?
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#4
05-14-2009, 06:11 PM
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Maybe if the swordfighting in T4 was like the melee combat in Rid
 : AoDA, which was awesome.
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05-14-2009, 06:33 PM
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It was fun being able to parry sword swings in classic Thief games
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#6
05-14-2009, 08:29 PM
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I'm sure they could make a better system for 4, but it was decent sword fighting at the time. You had left attacks, right attacks, overhead swings, and parry. Compared to TDS, that's a wealth of options. There you just pull out a dagger and say, "Hold up guys, I brought a knife to a sword fight!"
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#7
05-14-2009, 08:35 PM
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I think a short sword would be a good middle... you can still block, and still have power attacks, maybe even the ability to hammy people if the team is feeling like more personal combat... but it's still more thiefly, because it's not a giant bulky unwieldy piece of equipment. All else fails, they could always just let us choose, maybe even switch them between missions. I know if the mission says mansion with guards, I want short sword or dagger, but if I'm going against a tunnel of buricks or a bunch of undead, I want the damned longsword...
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#8
05-14-2009, 11:15 PM
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Constantine's sword is an important part of Thief canon and dropping it was a big mistake. Garrett doesn't even carry it for combat best I can tell, it's more for crate/door smashing should he need it, and that's certainly how it was primarily used in Thief 1 and 2.
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#9
05-14-2009, 11:22 PM
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Hrmmmm. Adds more fuel for a prequel story idea. Explain how me managed to lose the sword in between Thief 2 and 3.
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#10
05-15-2009, 06:55 AM
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Remember how in T1&2 you could use your sword to cut banners and tapestries down from the wall, sometimes finding hidden secret alcoves, or switches... That was cool.
Remember how you couldn't do that in TDS? That was crap. Whatever blade you use (and I'd prefer a sword) it should be able to cut stuff down from the walls again.
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05-15-2009, 07:08 AM
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05-15-2009, 08:02 AM
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#14
05-15-2009, 09:17 AM
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While i'm all for the cutting of tapestries i think the sword should stay gone. Having a big bow is one thing but carrying around a 3 foot long piece of steel seems odd for a thief not a murderer.
The sword also made fighting real easy when i can take on several guards at once and kill them with the sword also kind of breaks against being a thief.
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#15
05-15-2009, 09:19 AM
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The Dagger best weapon thief. He light, small and is mortally stung from darkness. The Dagger will not stand firm against blade or the other weapons in open fighting, Garrett not knight, cutting through itself road in crowd enemy long blade. Let guard will perspire under armor and be muddled in belt and stumbles in long scabbard. The Thief needs lightness, speed and mobility.
But Constantine's sword let hungs on mantel. If you return sword, that let use his will such complex as T1
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#16
05-15-2009, 09:30 AM
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I could actually understand that, and I agree. I think the best option is to let people choose what they want between missions. A thief not only needs to be light on his feet and agile, but he also needs the correct tools for the job. Most of the time, a dagger is the correct tool, able to be slid under the plates of any armor or under the chin of anyone who's unsuspecting... however, sometimes, a dagger is NOT the correct cool. So Constantine's sword is probably the best option, assuming you have to deal with some sort of beast/creature/undead, because damage is what matters IF you have to use that weapon, not stealthiness.
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#17
05-15-2009, 09:45 AM
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True but isn't the whole point of Garrett being a master thief is to remain unseen? Even if you say yes dagger for stealth Garrett still has the massive bow on his back even with it being quiet-er less chance to move around and make noise metal would and is painted black even a short bow is what 2-3 feet long?
i think this is one of those gameplay > realism decisions i still prefer dagger.
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#18
05-15-2009, 10:02 AM
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Like I said, a thief still needs the proper tool for the job, and to deny access to that tool is not necessary. If you knew you were entering a crypt with alot of undead and or alot of creatures, would you still rather have a dagger since there's nothing that would really be susceptible to the same techniques used to kill a guard? or would you rather have a weapon that could kill more easily?
At the very least I would say a short sword is permissible, as it can still defend and be used well in a fight, but it is also small enough to be used like a dagger, and not reduce your mobility by too much.
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#19
05-15-2009, 10:03 AM
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Ahh...you do remember that thieves in 1 and 2 use swords and are far more heavy handed in their thieving. Granted Garrett is no ordinary thief, but most thieves carry a sword (at least in TG/2). I don't remember many thieves in TDS, though. Aside of those two that were robbing the Hammers that one time.
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#21
05-15-2009, 11:03 AM
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I just had an idea for a mission where you steal a magic blade from a thieves guild called "The Ace"
When all of a thief's other tools have failed, he always has The Ace up his sleeve. It could be a sword breaker dagger, where if you block a sword with it you can snap the blade in half. It's a little out there, but it would give Garrett the edge needed in a sword fight, but not infringe with the whole sneaky aspect of things.
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#22
05-15-2009, 11:06 AM
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Sword fighting was fun in the earlier games because of the exceptionally bad animations the games had. It didn't surprise me they reused the guard swinging animation for the mutants in System Shock 2.
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#23
05-17-2009, 10:18 AM
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It would be fun if you could decide if you want to use a sword or a knife at the mission start.
The knife cant block and can only use one sort of attack. At the other hand, you can backstab guards with the knife. The sword can block and do more damage. You can also perform different attacks depending in how long you press the attack button and how well you time your blows. If you time about 4 blows right, you can make an instant kill with a nice move.The sword cant backstab. I might have gone a little to far, but you get the deal. This isnt really balanced, but its just a prototype... 
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