PS3 Trophy Support

[naraku]

Ah, so it's in the works!? Thanks RG, the Search function though it's not as helpful as it should sometimes. So are they're going to be the same exact ones the Japan Version has? That I've heard off here?

[setsuken]

Originally Posted by naraku

Ah, so it's in the works!? Thanks RG, the Search function though it's not as helpful as it should sometimes. So are they're going to be the same exact ones the Japan Version has? That I've heard off here?

Where the hell have you been? weve been waiting weeks for it and there is STILL no word on it... i doubt were going to get it at all actually, perhaps next year after they have concentrated their love on the 360 because they LOATH the PS3 obviously.

Get the trophy patch sorted or at least some BLOODY news.

[naraku]

Originally Posted by setsuken

Where the hell have you been? weve been waiting weeks for it and there is STILL no word on it... i doubt were going to get it at all actually, perhaps next year after they have concentrated their love on the 360 because they LOATH the PS3 obviously.

Get the trophy patch sorted or at least some BLOODY news.

Been hanging out in hell actually. And obviously not on this thread much. But because of that site' Trophy info I thought maybe they're already available. I guess I was wrong. I don't think they loathe the PS3, it's just business, and since money talks, and the 360 with a bigger market share of the American market in terms of unit sales as opposed to the PS3. But I wouldn't call it Loathe. I'd kill for some DLC though. Jk

[BestInShowBrian]

Originally Posted by Keir

Sorry for the delay.

I've got an update. It's my favourite kind of update too, because it's a nice candid one.

So the bad news is the team is hard at work and implementation into the code is still in progress, this will be followed by testing and certification by SCE. The good news is once it’s in submission with SCE I think we’ll be in a better position to give you guys an idea of release date.

Your patience is appreciated and rest assured it'll be ready as soon as it can and you'll be the first to hear the next update.

While I appreciate someone official finally stepping up and breaking the bizarre silence, it must be noted that this isn't much of a response to any of the questions that have been posed. The fact that Trophies were not supported on the release date in November 2008, especially since Achievements were, should be a bit of an embarrassment. After 3 months of consistent complaints from PS3 owners, we're told in February that "The guys at Crystal have been looking into this for a long time" and that a patch "is being worked on that will enable Trophy Support". This at least provided the confirmation that it was going to happen, even if it provided no release schedule, and further suggested that implementation had already been in progress! Certainly, one might think, since they've been thinking about it "for a long time" and working on it for so long, we must be very close, perhaps even days away, from a release date. Yet after 4 weeks of requests for an estimated schedule, we're finally told that "the team is hard at work and implementation into the code is still in progress", still without even the most vague estimation of time.

This just seems ridiculous. Given the fact that Achievements exist, how many man-hours can it take to make the programming jump to Trophies? And as it has been pointed out several times in this thread, surely much of the work has already been done for just such a Trophy patch during the mandatory Trophy rollout of the Japanese release. If we are wrong in making these casual assumptions, then please correct us by giving us an idea of the schedule of work ahead of you, and when it is currently planned to be completed.

I wouldn't be so bold as to blame Keir for this. Quite to the contrary, he is in the uncomfortable position of being the contact point for a development team so clearly opposed to communication, and is forced to generate meaningless P.R. in lieu of real information, in an attempt to placate a shrinking audience. It must be a hard position to speak from, and he should be commended for having the guts to step forward under such conditions.

It seems clear that it is the developers who are to blame. A delay of over 4 months suggests little planning of any kind, and one can only draw the conclusion that work is being done whenever the development team gets around to it, if at all. Can you tell us how much work has been done? Can you tell us what work remains? Can you tell us if we will hear something this week? this month? this quarter? this year? Can you tell us why it's taken over 4 months to get to the point where you aren't yet done with what has taken other developers mere weeks to complete? Can you tell us anything at all that might keep me, and everyone else holding off their purchase for a Trophy patch, as a customer.

Get your act together. It's later than you think.

[mattymiller_05]

^Wow that is all that needs to be said! If crystal and eidos had any commonsense it should have been packed on the disc on release, they have alienated a whole audience, although we got the game we got nothing else which makes the PS3 version a basic port. At this moment I might just become a full Uncharted fan!

[rg_001100]

Originally Posted by mattymiller_05

^Wow that is all that needs to be said! If crystal and eidos had any commonsense it should have been packed on the disc on release, they have alienated a whole audience, although we got the game we got nothing else which makes the PS3 version a basic port. At this moment I might just become a full Uncharted fan!

So, because there's a tiny bit of console exclusivity for one game that has been released on 7 platforms, and you consider that unfair, you will become a fan of a game that has full console exclusivity, released only on 1 platform [and completely excludes possible audiences on other platforms]? Huh. Have fun.

Well, PS3 trophy support is coming, the PS3 did get the game, and last I heard TR:U had sold better on PS3 than on the 360.
I wonder if the PS3 fans would be more upset without the game than with it.

[setsuken]

sorry but what code? its already in the Japanese version.

What you do is this:

get the trophies and get someone who can translate em into english, then all you do is patch it.


get to it please, its not like your making them from SCRATCH now is it?

[mattymiller_05]

Originally Posted by rg_001100

So, because there's a tiny bit of console exclusivity for one game that has been released on 7 platforms, and you consider that unfair, you will become a fan of a game that has full console exclusivity, released only on 1 platform [and completely excludes possible audiences on other platforms]? Huh. Have fun.

Well, PS3 trophy support is coming, the PS3 did get the game, and last I heard TR:U had sold better on PS3 than on the 360.
I wonder if the PS3 fans would be more upset without the game than with it.

a tiny bit of extra content!? Xbox got everything that adds replay value to the game, I can't belive you undermine when I try to make a point by trying to justify this. Also you make it sound that uncharted is made by a studio that could make it for other consoles, Sony own naughtydog so it's 1st party and made specifically for playstation. Eidos really milked tomb raider games by putting them on this time 6 platforms which excludes PSP for some reason, and allowing the microsoft deal for one console really pushes the other platforms to have really basic versions of the games. Eidos is the one excluding audiences, CD couldn't really be bothered to make Trophies because of this deal. A vast majority of ps3 owners bought underworld for trophies, and haven't even played it for the reason that they haven't been made yet. Sony really want these trophies on their system, but at the end of the day it's up to the developers, I don't see why it's taken 2 months to port these trophies into the English versions of the game.

[rg_001100]

Originally Posted by mattymiller_05

Eidos really milked tomb raider games by putting them on this time 6 platforms which excludes PSP for some reason, and allowing the microsoft deal for one console really pushes the other platforms to have really basic versions of the games.

PC/PS3 are still "NextGen" versions of the game, and they are fun to play. The Wii version is sortof a "stripped down" version of the next-gen version, and the PS2 version stripped down from the Wii version. The PS2 version is perhaps the "basic" version. (The DS version is a 2D platformer, afaik). PS3 didn't get a patch to fix bugs like the PC did, but other than that it's the same great game. Even were the XBL-exclusive DLCs not released, PC/PS3 would still be the same "basic" version.

Originally Posted by mattymiller_05

Eidos is the one excluding audiences, CD couldn't really be bothered to make Trophies because of this deal.

That's assuming the motivation of CD (or is there a quote somewhere that says about that). TR:U didn't release with Trophies, but it is being developed.

Originally Posted by mattymiller_05

A vast majority of ps3 owners bought underworld for trophies, and haven't even played it for the reason that they haven't been made yet.

I wonder about the facts and figures of this statement, but it's interesting that gamers would buy a game only to not play it, just because it didn't have trophies. That is a very sad thing to me.

[fijski8]

Hi everyone after this last post i had to join............. I have the game sitting in my collection and have yet to play it cause of this patch i have been reading about for 2 months. ( I check 2x a day). I will not play it past the first level till we get this patch. I KNOW there are TONS of people who will wait. I love trophies and have bought 5 games since the hope of this patch. Check my psn ID same as here i have 2 platinum so far. Somewhere in the upper 200s for total. WORST PART~~ I paid 59.99 and saw 360 get levels and PS 3 a 10 dollar price drop. Kinda frustrating. But i play games. All the newest and latest. I have bought 5 games since this patch rumor. again no BS check my ID and trophies. I have over 50 friends on that list that have yet to buy TR. but will when the patch hits. I need to get rid of some of my games before they are worth nothing for resale. we all know how tomb raider resale is.......... Please don't get mad at us fans for wanting this. We know what the 360 and the japanese have. Stop playing games. Release the patch, before i and MANY others WILL boycott Eidos. This is insane. People do buy based off what you say. And we also won't buy. Take it easy, in the end we are costumers getting ripped on the ps3. After reading that thread i feel like selling my copy on ebay tonight. but i won't please. customers first. no more money loses and reps. thanks for listening, will be reading 2x a day for some good news. thank you.

[Jinnyskeans]

BEING DEVELOPED!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!

it all ready is bloody developed! how about ya translate it!
its not even a question of porting it over, the trophies all ready exist they just need relanguaging (TRANSLATING)
id certainly replay TR with the aim of getting some trophies out of it!

Although i will have to delete my save and start again! because you cant get tophies (if the trophy mission has been complteted) with a previous save game file. THAT is why people are waiting!

[mattymiller_05]

This is why Eidos is such a fail, becuase they don't know how to treat their consumers, they are terrible on their promises. Also so many people are waiting for trophies to play TR:U becuase they don't want to play it then complete it again, read any news story on th internet about it and see peoples comments qoute "I got TR for christmas, but haven't played it yet becuase it hasn't had the trophy patch". SO many of them TR:U sales on PS3 are just people buying the game and waiting for this patch, the least Eidos can do is push CD to actually make the patch instead of doing nothing all day, and at this stage in time thats all they are doing...

I personally think when Square take over they should really tell CD their priorities because at the end of the day Eidos can't do much more than tell them to make it.
Seriously, when GTA4's Trophy patch came out, it was out just after trophies were introduced so they done it in a short ammount of time. Tomb Raider Underworld is such a small game in comparison, also being about 4 hours long there arn't that many trophies so I cant see why its taken this long. In my opinion Tomb Raider Underworld is the worst dealt TR game ever, in the fact that the developers cut corners just to ship it out on time, i'd sooner it be late than incomplete, the trophies are really the final peice of TR:U to make it feel complete, at the moment the game is empty, there no real incentive to play it again, I haven't played it since november, I've been playing TR:L/A for more treasures. I'm lucky I got it REALLY REALLY cheap on launch day...
JUST GET IT DONE!

[setsuken]

http://www.psu.com/ps3-trophies/tomb_raider_underworld/

There you go... just translate em!!

simple!

[tombraiding101]

Originally Posted by fijski8

Hi everyone after this last post i had to join............. I have the game sitting in my collection and have yet to play it cause of this patch i have been reading about for 2 months. ( I check 2x a day). I will not play it past the first level till we get this patch. I KNOW there are TONS of people who will wait. I love trophies and have bought 5 games since the hope of this patch. Check my psn ID same as here i have 2 platinum so far. Somewhere in the upper 200s for total. WORST PART~~ I paid 59.99 and saw 360 get levels and PS 3 a 10 dollar price drop. Kinda frustrating. But i play games. All the newest and latest. I have bought 5 games since this patch rumor. again no BS check my ID and trophies. I have over 50 friends on that list that have yet to buy TR. but will when the patch hits. I need to get rid of some of my games before they are worth nothing for resale. we all know how tomb raider resale is.......... Please don't get mad at us fans for wanting this. We know what the 360 and the japanese have. Stop playing games. Release the patch, before i and MANY others WILL boycott Eidos. This is insane. People do buy based off what you say. And we also won't buy. Take it easy, in the end we are costumers getting ripped on the ps3. After reading that thread i feel like selling my copy on ebay tonight. but i won't please. customers first. no more money loses and reps. thanks for listening, will be reading 2x a day for some good news. thank you.

Hey, welcome to the forums! What's your PSN? I would like to add you, if you like! And I can't believe its been around 2 months since this patch was announced and still NO patch!

[Dusk Knight]

Originally Posted by rg_001100

I wonder about the facts and figures of this statement, but it's interesting that gamers would buy a game only to not play it, just because it didn't have trophies. That is a very sad thing to me.

As much as I'm looking forward to the trophies, I agree. I highly doubt the "vast majority" of PS3 gamers, the largest percentage of TRU buyers on any platform (possibly outdated info), are sitting around with an unopened copy of TRU waiting for the trophies. Those who are should play through at least once for the experience.

Trophy hunters must know they are bound to play through linear games like this numerous times anyway. I think UDF requires at least 3 or 4 plays through to get all the trophies.

Originally Posted by Jinnyskeans

it all ready is bloody developed! how about ya translate it!
its not even a question of porting it over, the trophies all ready exist they just need relanguaging (TRANSLATING)

That's assuming the patch will add trophies and absolutely nothing more. It's more likely that the patch will also include bug fixes and the chapter replay save system that 360 and now PC have.

[tombraiding101]

Originally Posted by Dusk Knight

As much as I'm looking forward to the trophies, I agree. I highly doubt the "vast majority" of PS3 gamers, the largest percentage of TRU buyers on any platform (possibly outdated info), are sitting around with an unopened copy of TRU waiting for the trophies. Those who are should play through at least once for the experience.

Trophy hunters must know they are bound to play through linear games like this numerous times anyway. I think UDF requires at least 3 or 4 plays through to get all the trophies.


That's assuming the patch will add trophies and absolutely nothing more. It's more likely that the patch will also include bug fixes and the chapter replay save system that 360 and now PC have.

I am a trophy hunter. I bought Resident Evil 5 a while ago and only need 3 more trophies to get the platinum! I am planning to get UDF sometime soon and once TRU has trophies, i will keep playing it till i get the platinum! (Easy way to get the kill more than 1 enemy with 1 grenade: Use the little spiders when they are bundled together! ) If anyone has Resident Evil 5 and wants to get the trophies, just add me. I am on PS3 and my PSN is in my signature! So, yeah, i want those TRU trophies!

[Visage16]

Yet all we get is a promise for a trophy patch? Something that (imo) should have been at best two to three months after release (It's been 4 months now). Fallout 3 release their trophy support in less than 2 months.

Honestly shouldn't PS3 owners get something other than trophies, since apparently majority of the TR:U owners bought it on the PS3?

PS3 gets: A promise for an eventual trophy patch
Xbox 360 gets: Beneath the Ashes DLC, Lara's Shadow DLC, and 8 Free Outfits. Not to mention Achievements (yes they're mandatory but if they get achievements why don't we get trophies I mean they are the same).

In the end I hate exclusive DLC. Why? Its just fanning the flame(war)s.

How I wonder why I bought the "wrong" version why didn't I buy the "full" game.
^ Fanboys use things like that for ammunition

[Netweb_PT]

Lady croft is now a sunrise icon? I thought she was an british...

[naraku]

Originally Posted by Visage16

Yet all we get is a promise for a trophy patch? Something that (imo) should have been at best two to three months after release (It's been 4 months now). Fallout 3 release their trophy support in less than 2 months.

Honestly shouldn't PS3 owners get something other than trophies, since apparently majority of the TR:U owners bought it on the PS3?

PS3 gets: A promise for an eventual trophy patch
Xbox 360 gets: Beneath the Ashes DLC, Lara's Shadow DLC, and 8 Free Outfits. Not to mention Achievements (yes they're mandatory but if they get achievements why don't we get trophies I mean they are the same).

In the end I hate exclusive DLC. Why? Its just fanning the flame(war)s.

How I wonder why I bought the "wrong" version why didn't I buy the "full" game.
^ Fanboys use things like that for ammunition

I think what TR fans will get will be a series of DLC's in between games. Trophies may not be so important, to some, especially if it unlocks nothing. These Trophies should come with Extras like Time Trails, New levels, cheats codes unlockables etc. etc.

As Setsuken wonders, I too brought up the question, is it the same exact Trophies from the Japan ones? If they're taking this long, it could be because they're not the exact same ones, or they're attaching extras. On the other hand, who knows

[Ants_27_]

To be fair, I don't try to get 100% trophies and if a game doesn't have them, then it doesn't bother me. Though I will happily replay TRU again as it is an excuse to play through the game again.

About the idea that people bought TRU just for trophies then if this is true won't more people (that want trophies) buy the game - if they haven't already?-

[Golard]

I bought TRU the first day it was on sell... as every fans !

I played the first level to have a preview of new sensations...

Now I'm WAITING for the TROPHIES patch to play the game !!!

(I thing EVERY gamers with a playstation online will become a "trophies hunter"... it's too attractive !!!)

[Visage16]

Originally Posted by naraku

I think what TR fans will get will be a series of DLC's in between games. Trophies may not be so important, to some, especially if it unlocks nothing. These Trophies should come with Extras like Time Trails, New levels, cheats codes unlockables etc. etc.

As Setsuken wonders, I too brought up the question, is it the same exact Trophies from the Japan ones? If they're taking this long, it could be because they're not the exact same ones, or they're attaching extras. On the other hand, who knows

I was a complete TR but after hearing that Eidos and CD decided to favor the 360 owners despite the PS3 version selling better on the PS3 (from what I hear) they get nothing but trophies and some users already mentioned that trophies are just a small thing to some and are hardly as strong a deal breaker as two DLC chapters and 8 free costumes. If I payed money and so did all the others PS3 owners who bought this I sure as hell wouldn't to be treated differently moreover be ignored

Even if extras come with trophies would that balance out what 360 has and what PS3 doesn't? Chances are if extras not found in the 360 DLC appear on the PS3 then the 360 versions of those extras would come out day and date with what the PS3 would get.

Here's a take on what you said the ones I highlighted, that would mean that the 360 version will still have 2 more forms of DLC than the PS3 which still doesn't balance it out. And here is a spin on how Fanboys can use those same words as ammunition, "Only people who bought the 360 version are real TR fans" (sorry I just had to release my frustrations on fanboys with that one).

I do hope that CD and Eidos would start being more fair with both sides and this may be selfish on my part but I feel the need to hate them both unless I get full equality in treatment meaning what 360 owners get I would get and what PS3 owners get 360 owners would get too.

[Telekill]

Wow. Lots of angry PS3 owners... and I'm one of them.

I bought the game, because I'm a fan of the series. I own every Tomb Raider game available on a Playstation since the first. I've gotta say that a lack of trophy support didn't faze me at first. I played through Underworld and enjoyed it. Not the best in the series, but still fun. I had beat the game before the announcement of trophies, and due to the announcement have not played it since. Like many, I've been waiting to replay the game till the trophy patch is released.

While I've been waiting, I've been noticing that 360 is getting all this free exclusive DLC, and in all honesty, it feels like Eidos is spitting in the face of the Playstation userbase that made the series popular. It's been stated a few times that the PS3 version sold more copies, and yet... we've got nothing to show for our loyalty of the series.

Obviously, there are corporate guys at Eidos and mods on this site that could probably care less that PS3 users are getting shafted. Frankly, given how long the delay has been on any news for PS3 users for TRU, I dont think we're going to ever see trophies for the game, let alone any other DLC. I've pretty much given up on Eidos/CD doing anything special for the PS3 userbase.

Other PS3 users aside from myself should look at the bigger picture than merely having no DLC on our system. Think of it like this... if Eidos/CD does not put DLC or any other kind of support on the PS3... and the PS3 sold the most copies... then Eidos/CD is loosing out on money that they could have recieved by releasing it on PS3. I know that being a fan of the series, I would have paid for and downloaded every bit of DLC made available for the game, like I plan too for Resident Evil 5 (PS3).

I guess at this point, I'm more disappointed in Eidos/CD then angry. Tomb Raider had been my 2nd favorite series (after Resident Evil) since the begining and I've stuck by it through the bad times. This isn't just a matter of the game being mediocre though... this is a matter of the corporation choosing to spit in the face of the fanbase. Since the obvious lack of care for PS3 users has occurred and Uncharted 2 has been announced, I can officially state that Uncharted is now my 2nd favorite series (after Resident Evil) and Tomb Raider has dropped.

Tomb Raider will always be an enjoyable experience for me, but if this kind of treatment is what I can expect because I choose to play games on Playstation, then Underworld will more than likely be the last Tomb Raider game I purchase. It's already become the last TR game I purchase at launch. I have limited time and funds to put towards gaming and I'm not going to tolerate being left out of having the full experience.

[Jinnyskeans]

look im a ps3 owner i was bitter about the dlc but its not Eidos or CD
MICROSOFT approached Eidos and CONTRACTED a deal for a sum of MONEY.

Im pretty sure if Eidos was aloud to give the dlc to us PS3 users im sure they would. They are not simply ignoring the PS3, infact why would they ignore it. Putting the dlc up for grabs on the playstation network would certainly give them a bit more money. Eidos most likely WANT to give sony the dlc, infact im sure of it but given the all ready signed contact with Micrsoft they are not aloud to.

So dont blame Eidos for not making them selves money, its not there fault!

Although u can blame them and CD for this incredibly long wait on the Trophy patch

[naraku]

Originally Posted by Visage16

I was a complete TR but after hearing that Eidos and CD decided to favor the 360 owners despite the PS3 version selling better on the PS3 (from what I hear) they get nothing but trophies and some users already mentioned that trophies are just a small thing to some and are hardly as strong a deal breaker as two DLC chapters and 8 free costumes. If I payed money and so did all the others PS3 owners who bought this I sure as hell wouldn't to be treated differently moreover be ignored

Even if extras come with trophies would that balance out what 360 has and what PS3 doesn't? Chances are if extras not found in the 360 DLC appear on the PS3 then the 360 versions of those extras would come out day and date with what the PS3 would get.

Here's a take on what you said the ones I highlighted, that would mean that the 360 version will still have 2 more forms of DLC than the PS3 which still doesn't balance it out. And here is a spin on how Fanboys can use those same words as ammunition, "Only people who bought the 360 version are real TR fans" (sorry I just had to release my frustrations on fanboys with that one).

I do hope that CD and Eidos would start being more fair with both sides and this may be selfish on my part but I feel the need to hate them both unless I get full equality in treatment meaning what 360 owners get I would get and what PS3 owners get 360 owners would get too.

Let me contemplate on what you're directing at muah, So, you've highlighted my "TR Fans" ( a general term meaning all of us) into a console war argument? Did I get that right? You know its one thing, when Critics and editors says such words. But when another TR fan says it to a fellow TR. It's like getting sucker punched. Not because I'm a PS3 fanboy, but because I am a Tomb Raider Fan.

About your comment on the Microsoft getting the exclusivity deal. I feel it's less about MC(Microsoft) throwing $$$ at Eidos like it grows on trees, but more like, why the Helheim(Hell) didn't Sony? The obvious answer is Sony doesn't want to bother with the TR franchise as though it's best days are behind it, and Uncharted is where it's at. You 360 fanboys are missing out.

And yet the sales figures say, PS3 sold more, so Eidos would have been better of to bet on the a different boat or not at all, I don't know if, 360 will get more DLC's but if any DLC's are currently being worked at, chances are (since Eidos and MC signed on the dotted line) it will be for the 360. Worse, the PC folks are probably wondering why the heck aren't they getting a piece of the DLC's!?. So I welcome the Trophies, even though they're not too important, at least we're getting something extra or are we?????????

It's a real shame too, I would have paid top $'s to get my hands on PS3 DLC. And Prince of Persia which I didn't enjoyed, throws Trophies at me like a cheap Spam. *Major sigh*