Villains

[crazy666p]

Wouldn't it be awsome if there was a hero storyline as wel as a villainstoryline.(as in Lego Batman ).Who would be playable as villains do you think.

[Wigglez]

Originally Posted by crazy666p

Wouldn't it be awsome if there was a hero storyline as wel as a villainstoryline.(as in Lego Batman ).Who would be playable as villains do you think.

No offense. But that wouldn't be a good idea for this game. The question that you really wanna ask is. Who do you want to see in the game. We already saw The Joker, Killer Kroc and something that looked like the Riddlers cell. Mainly because there was a bunch of question marks all over the walls in blood. The main person I want to fight in this game (even though Krock is in this so it might be the same fight almost) is Bain. Also The Penguin. Another thing would be cool is if Victor Freeze (got released of coarse) had a frozen domain that you had to atleaste cross through if you don't fight him. Clay Face would just be rediculous. And it would also be cool if there was a villain from a different hero's story. Like an enemy of The Beetle or someone.

[ICK14]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

No offense. But that wouldn't be a good idea for this game. The question that you really wanna ask is. Who do you want to see in the game. We already saw The Joker, Killer Kroc and something that looked like the Riddlers cell. Mainly because there was a bunch of question marks all over the walls in blood. The main person I want to fight in this game (even though Krock is in this so it might be the same fight almost) is Bain. Also The Penguin. Another thing would be cool is if Victor Freeze (got released of coarse) had a frozen domain that you had to atleaste cross through if you don't fight him. Clay Face would just be rediculous. And it would also be cool if there was a villain from a different hero's story. Like an enemy of The Beetle or someone.

I don't think Clay Face would be ridiculous.... And I don't get why everyone thinks that. Fighting him would be an amazing Boss fight. And why would we have a different villain from another story?

Other than those things, I agree with your post.

I would also like to see Two-Face. That'll be fun!!

[TheManWhoLaughs]

Its not that hard to picture a game where villians are playable it really just comes down to two things: 1) Storyline and 2) Who are you going to fight?

Those are the two things that are hard when it comes to that idea. Unless you can free roam...now that would be awesome!

[Wigglez]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

No offense. But that wouldn't be a good idea for this game. The question that you really wanna ask is. Who do you want to see in the game. We already saw The Joker, Killer Kroc and something that looked like the Riddlers cell. Mainly because there was a bunch of question marks all over the walls in blood. The main person I want to fight in this game (even though Krock is in this so it might be the same fight almost) is Bain. Also The Penguin. Another thing would be cool is if Victor Freeze (got released of coarse) had a frozen domain that you had to atleaste cross through if you don't fight him. Clay Face would just be rediculous. And it would also be cool if there was a villain from a different hero's story. Like an enemy of The Beetle or someone.

Yes. I'm quoting myself. Be very afraid. Nah. But it would be bad to have a villain storyline for this game because who would you fight when you're a bag guy with a bunch of more bad guys? The only thing you would be doing in the game is running around to look for the batman and most likely you wouldn't find him till the end of the game. So the game would be like 2 minutes long of the villains story line with nothing to do besides run around the entire place till you find batman. and what happens then? It would be reasonable for the villain to actually kill batman because you're the villain yourself. But that would be the entire game. Cutsene- Your character watches batman bring in the joker. All of a sudden, you get released from your cell. Then the gameplay would start as you run around and eventually you find the batman. You fight batman and there the game ends. Yeah person who started this post. It would be really cool to play as a villain. No it wouldn't.

[door noob]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

Yes. I'm quoting myself. Be very afraid. Nah. But it would be bad to have a villain storyline for this game because who would you fight when you're a bag guy with a bunch of more bad guys? The only thing you would be doing in the game is running around to look for the batman and most likely you wouldn't find him till the end of the game. So the game would be like 2 minutes long of the villains story line with nothing to do besides run around the entire place till you find batman. and what happens then? It would be reasonable for the villain to actually kill batman because you're the villain yourself. But that would be the entire game. Cutsene- Your character watches batman bring in the joker. All of a sudden, you get released from your cell. Then the gameplay would start as you run around and eventually you find the batman. You fight batman and there the game ends. Yeah person who started this post. It would be really cool to play as a villain. No it wouldn't.

I strongly disagree. First of all the villains in the story line would be working for a greater source of evil or just another villain, ergo you would not kill batman you would just stun him or knock him out. And it would not be easy for the character you have inbodied to get to the batman and simply kill him, because we all ofcourse know that batman is a very bright person and a VERY skilled martialartist therefore he would not be just walking around arkham (if not played by another person, but a computer or your system)but sneeking in the shadows or wherever in dark corners inide arkham ar, so it would be hard to just kill him and would take more than just two minuites.

And the probabily you would do more than just run around as a villain and find batman is very unlikely. You could possibly set up traps for batman, have phsycoligical issuses with other inmate and fight THEM, search for clues toward wher batman is... anything a villain in arkham would do.

Also lets say you are running around arkham as killer corck, you would have the capability of bashing up things eat the gaurds, whaterver. Or you could have a side quest for every playable villain in the game ( if there are any) to escape arkham using your unique villain skills, through the high tech locks...

Hence it would be preety fun to play as a villain

[Wigglez]

Originally Posted by door noob

I strongly disagree. First of all the villains in the story line would be working for a greater source of evil or just another villain, ergo you would not kill batman you would just stun him or knock him out. And it would not be easy for the character you have inbodied to get to the batman and simply kill him, because we all ofcourse know that batman is a very bright person and a VERY skilled martialartist therefore he would not be just walking around arkham (if not played by another person, but a computer or your system)but sneeking in the shadows or wherever in dark corners inide arkham ar, so it would be hard to just kill him and would take more than just two minuites.

And the probabily you would do more than just run around as a villain and find batman is very unlikely. You could possibly set up traps for batman, have phsycoligical issuses with other inmate and fight THEM, search for clues toward wher batman is... anything a villain in arkham would do.

Also lets say you are running around arkham as killer corck, you would have the capability of bashing up things eat the gaurds, whaterver. Or you could have a side quest for every playable villain in the game ( if there are any) to escape arkham using your unique villain skills, through the high tech locks...

Hence it would be preety fun to play as a villain

Here we go with a debate lol. I agree with your thing about finding clues to where the batmans location is. And the thing about getting in an arguement about w/e and then turning on the other villains would be good too. But they would know that the bigger threat is still in the building. A.k.a. the batman. so their arguements would only be a minute long cutsene and then they would agree on a truse till they got rid of batman. But like also said about being kroc. Nobody would even dare try to argue with kroc because of his size in the game. So there wouldn't be anything there to play except eating the gaurds. But that would just be the most repeatative gameplay ever. Especially when kroc isn't smart enough to use smarts to track down batman unless he got some sort of scent and just followed it throughout the entire building. And the greater evil. I think there's a greater evil in the game running the whole thing about freeing everybody, not just the joker running things. But if you were the villain, you wouldn't be fighting him either. The most would happen is theat greater evil would just bribe you with a sum amount of money and your release out of arkham and your character would go with it. So either way how you put it. You still don't have a good game to play as a villain.

[door noob]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

Here we go with a debate lol. I agree with your thing about finding clues to where the batmans location is. And the thing about getting in an arguement about w/e and then turning on the other villains would be good too. But they would know that the bigger threat is still in the building. A.k.a. the batman. so their arguements would only be a minute long cutsene and then they would agree on a truse till they got rid of batman. But like also said about being kroc. Nobody would even dare try to argue with kroc because of his size in the game. So there wouldn't be anything there to play except eating the gaurds. But that would just be the most repeatative gameplay ever. Especially when kroc isn't smart enough to use smarts to track down batman unless he got some sort of scent and just followed it throughout the entire building. And the greater evil. I think there's a greater evil in the game running the whole thing about freeing everybody, not just the joker running things. But if you were the villain, you wouldn't be fighting him either. The most would happen is theat greater evil would just bribe you with a sum amount of money and your release out of arkham and your character would go with it. So either way how you put it. You still don't have a good game to play as a villain.

Though what you would just be the main quest( if the people in eidos games would incorporate playable villains in the game and would do a good "finding batman quest" and jut killing him make it a possible 5-6 hours).

Then you would add SIDE quests for villains, i.e. like i have said before escaping from arkham using your villains capabilities distinguishes the way you would escape as a diffirent villain, so if there were MORE THAN ONE playable villain that side quest would add another 3-4 hours.

Another gameplay capability for villains could be like in lego batman. From what i heard you had to collect objects to contain a memoriable in the batcave, but to get them you have to replay some levels using a certain villain to move the obstable with thir unique powers to get the missing lego piece. So far we heard that there are hidden joker spray cans and two face coins through out arkham, so if you had to get the colectible using a villain(s), that would add atleast another 3hours(with the time you had to discover all the colectibles).

Bottom line is that some people enjoy playing as a villain and some don't, so please don't go around sayin to peopl"no it wouldn't be fun playing as a villain" in this game.

[Wigglez]

Yeah yeah yeah. You just know i'm right lol.

[door noob]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

Yeah yeah yeah. You just know i'm right lol.

Ya... I know your right thats why i posted two statement againts your opinions...

[Wigglez]

Dude. 2-4 hours of running around finding things to break out of Arkham and gaingin clues to where batman still wouldn't be fun. And what would the side quests be? Look at everybody's cells? What would be the collectables be? Gather as manny batarangs as you can find. so all it would be is just running around collecting stuff. No fighting and no story to comprehend for the villain. You still don't have good villain gameplay for this game. So yeah, you do know I'm right. No matter what you say about being a villain in this game, I'm gonna gain a good reason why it would be a really bad idea. But, if you're still on this forum when the game comes out, and if you're right and they do come out with an unreasonable good villain storyline for this game, I'll apalogize for being mean. How about that? Deal?

[door noob]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

Dude. 2-4 hours of running around finding things to break out of Arkham and gaingin clues to where batman still wouldn't be fun. And what would the side quests be? Look at everybody's cells? What would be the collectables be? Gather as manny batarangs as you can find. so all it would be is just running around collecting stuff. No fighting and no story to comprehend for the villain. You still don't have good villain gameplay for this game. So yeah, you do know I'm right. No matter what you say about being a villain in this game, I'm gonna gain a good reason why it would be a really bad idea. But, if you're still on this forum when the game comes out, and if you're right and they do come out with an unreasonable good villain storyline for this game, I'll apalogize for being mean. How about that? Deal?

I personally don't care about playing as a villain, it would just be something to do when you done the game, and yes we all know that there aren't going to see this capability in this game, and i don't care much for apologies.

And yes you could write a good story line in arkham with the villains if you put a bit of effort into it although it would be hard to do.
Unfortunatly I don't know any so you win that part

Though with the colectible eidos has already stated that they are using joker spray cans and two face cans....so yathat doesn't really matter

Take for example Nightwing being brought to Arkham, you would be able to do something like that except the whole batfamily being brought to arkham,
so that answears your not fighting anybody.

[The Lilac Pilgrim]

I think playing the villains would be brilliant. With this game's (apparent) storyline, I don't see there would be a way, but had the storyline been different, or slightly altered in the villain perspective, you could have a great game here. Releasing inmates, tricking Batman, setting traps, getting past guards, retrieving your villains' weaponry, (perhaps beating up a few inmates you don't like just for the sake of it). I believe someone before me said the entire Batfamily, which would be awesome.

Which, by the way, gave me the weirdest image of Alfred beating up The Riddler. I have no idea why.

Oh, and no, you wouldn't kill Batman. You could stun or knock him out at the beginning, but kill? The Joker would have your head on a platter.

[door noob]

Judges?

[Kai Rei]

Originally Posted by The Lilac Pilgrim

I think playing the villains would be brilliant. With this game's (apparent) storyline, I don't see there would be a way, but had the storyline been different, or slightly altered in the villain perspective, you could have a great game here. Releasing inmates, tricking Batman, setting traps, getting past guards, retrieving your villains' weaponry, (perhaps beating up a few inmates you don't like just for the sake of it). I believe someone before me said the entire Batfamily, which would be awesome.

Which, by the way, gave me the weirdest image of Alfred beating up The Riddler. I have no idea why.

Oh, and no, you wouldn't kill Batman. You could stun or knock him out at the beginning, but kill? The Joker would have your head on a platter.

This sound's like it'd make a great game. Also, if you think Alfred kicking Riddler's ass is funny, imagine Alfred and Arnold Wesker blindly slapping away at each other over the last chocolate biscuit on the platter.

About the "killing the Batman" thing. I agree, you' probably just break his back all over again at best. Game over!

[The Lilac Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Kai Rei

Also, if you think Alfred kicking Riddler's ass is funny, imagine Alfred and Arnold Wesker blindly slapping away at each other over the last chocolate biscuit on the platter.

Just put that into game form; I'd buy that.

[Whysoserious?]

I like the idea of the Villains turning on eachother, i just can't think of a valid reason why they would, other than deciding who kills batman, or if a "Greater Evil" is giving them all shares of money, Ultimately Villain Gameplay would be a Beneficial concept, but not necessarily a good idea.
But for the record, i'm pro-villain gameplay.

[door noob]

Originally Posted by Whysoserious?

I like the idea of the Villains turning on eachother, i just can't think of a valid reason why they would, other than deciding who kills batman, or if a "Greater Evil" is giving them all shares of money, Ultimately Villain Gameplay would be a Beneficial concept, but not necessarily a good idea.
But for the record, i'm pro-villain gameplay.

You just said it yourself(about villains turning against eachother), they would start debating on who would kill batman and eventually progress in turning againt one another to get to him first

[The Lilac Pilgrim]

Villains turn against each other all the time - put them all in one place, give them something to do (ie; Kill the Batman) and they'll all be climbing over (read:shooting) one another for supremacy. I haven't read a lot of the comics, I'll admit, but didn't The Scarecrow try to use his toxin on the Joker? (An action which led The Joker to beat the Scarecrow half to death [with a chiar, I believe].). So it's not really so hard to believe that the villains ould turn on one another rather quickly.

[Wigglez]

The villains beating the crap out of each other. Woot. But, that would most likely happen during a cutscene from playing as Batman. Villain gameplay wouldn't be good for this game. There are a number of mechanics that you would be able to play with but it would be only good for Batman. They're not gonna change it for the villain side. From looking at this game, it would be kinda of a stealth game. But if you play as the Joker, he doesn't run around, climbing things to stealth attack people and they're not going to make this a shooter just so you can play someone and start shooting people. Because we all know that the villains didn't make batarangs for themselves. And do you plan on using to jump on people from falling and not dying? The Jokers overgrown grin. No!

[shadowmatt18]

so many villains to choose, so many good ones too but i'm just glad we have joker, he's been my favourite for years.

[batman93oo]

I know joker is sopose to be the head villan of Arkham but i think Hush or Bane should be the one to realease them to wore out the batman and fight him since u have very few gadgets left at the end and probably less stamina would lead to a great ending fight. I dont want it to be Ra's al ghul like Batman dark tommorow tht game was horrible but had awsome story but ra's al ghul is beyond gotham and ruins the gotham image w/ a world attack

[wolfbane]

I would like to see bane and Deathshot as Villains in this games also as Boss Battles.

[angleslam99]

Originally Posted by wolfbane

I would like to see bane and Deathshot as Villains in this games also as Boss Battles.

Bane is confirmed. And was Deadshot ever in Arkham?

[balmer123]

Yes. I'm quoting myself. Be very afraid. Nah. But it would be bad to have a villain storyline for this game because who would you fight when you're a bag guy with a bunch of more bad guys? The only thing you would be doing in the game is running around to look for the batman and most likely you wouldn't find him till the end of the game. So the game would be like 2 minutes long of the villains story line with nothing to do besides run around the entire place till you find batman. and what happens then? It would be reasonable for the villain to actually kill batman because you're the villain yourself. But that would be the entire game. Cutsene- Your character watches batman bring in the joker. All of a sudden, you get released from your cell. Then the gameplay would start as you run around and eventually you find the batman. You fight batman and there the game ends. Yeah person who started this post. It would be really cool to play as a villain. No it wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
i think your wrong only because in all batman films (with the exeption of dark knight) there not trying to find batman, they all have there own personal goals but batman shows up and ruins it. So i think it would be fun robbing banks , busting people out of prisons or maybe even freezing the city and at the end of each storey line having to k.o batman so that we could see what would happen if batman lost!