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07-22-2008, 12:19 AM
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So Many Theorys, So many Connections...Coincedence?
Okay..Im new here...This is Actually my first post..but i have been watching these forums for a while speculating like everyone else. Trying to come up with my own theory.
My formost goal lately has been figuring out why (If she is) Natla might return in underworld...and Giving a pluasable reason as to why that may be. There are a bunch of things pointing alot of Different Directions. I'd Like to think that Anniversary, Legend, and Underworld all tie in together some how Story-wise. Im going to try and keep this short. And just write out a sequence of things That have happened, and that I have noticed. 1. We have Natla, in 1996 hire lara to find the scion. We find out that she once ruled atlantis and ultimately wants to use the scion to bring about the 7th age. 2.We never really find out what the 7th age is. This leaves the plot open to a possible later explanation or revealing as to what it is. And it is perfectly reasonable to assume that if Natla Survived being crystalized, a Nuclear Explosion, Falling into lava, being shot up ALOT by lara....then she might have survived a Pillar Falling on her, and the pyrimids explosion. This is also the case with Qualopec...as He rises from his slumber when lara takes a piece of the Scion. And Tihocann isnt even IN his tomb. Therefore i think its easy to assume that it would take MORE than alot to get rid of these three leaders. 3. Many Years later, The Legend storyline takes place. When Lara faces Amanda at the End of the game, Numerouse Box's labaled with "Natla Industries" Appear around the platform. While Those boxes dont say Natla Technologies, her original companies name...it is plausable that if she survived..she could have changed the company name, and many other variables dealing with the company. The thing that matters is that her NAME is there. Its Also reasonable to assume that she is Funding Amanda's team with supplys, and techonolgy, Maybe even using amanda to her own ends..however, this is just speculation. Using The Evidence above, and The Following evidence below, lead me to believe That Natla Will Appear in underworld.  This Photo is of a Ruin, Confirmed to be of Mayan Origin. Im Somewhat Sure that Crystal Dynamics used it As references for the Statue's you see in these Next pictures.   They are Strikingly Similar...It is again, reasonable to assume that Atlantis, And the Mayan Culture are Some how closely Connected. Perhaps the Maya are heavily based off Atlantian Culture. Otherwise...why would a Ceremony, Banishing an Atlantian Leader, take place on a platform surrounded by Mayan Statues? I mean, after all....Natla's crystal prison was blown free by a Nuclear blast....IN MEXICO...... Richard Croft - "It's my belief that Atlantis is the foundation upon which all known civilization was built" As it has been Stated, Much of Underworld is to take place in Mexico, dealing with the Mayan Culture, And Lara's involvment with the Mayan Calender. During the Banishment...Natla says something that up until recently went unnoticed by me.  The Reason this Specific quote caught my attention...was becuase in the Underworld Teaser Trailer...you are ment to see a Globe....Burning....It Is Placed specifclly...So you realize that it is there...and can clearly See it. Why would they put this in the Trailer? Who knows! Maybe to signify the End of the World? A planet englufed in flames. It is obvious that The scion is no longer an acceptable means of bringing about the 7th age... WHICH leads me to believe that...due to the obvious Connection between the Mayans and Atlantis....Natla is Fully aware of the existence of the Mayan Calender, which is one of the things underworld focuses on. "Tomb Raider Underworld is "rumoured to be based around the Mayan Calendar. During five nameless and dangerous days at the end of the calendar called Wayeb', portals between the mortal realm and the Underworld dissolve, allowing ill-intending deities to causing disaster and mayhem." I believe this could place Natla back into the story, Attempting to use it to destroy the world, in order to bring about this 7th age she keeps talking about. Lara - "What is The Seventh age?" Natla - "How far are you willing to go to find out?" Im just using this theory, and evidence, to evaluate how likely it is or isnt that Natla will show up in underworld. Another little "Coincidence"..........   I'm SURE the ash just happened to fall like that......Yea right........... I Also slightly believe that Atlantis, Amelia Croft, The Scion, and "Avalon" are all intertwined together...as Richard Croft Stated in TR:A . He Was convinced that if he Could Obtain it, it would proove to be a vast library of information, leading him to discover what happened to his "Beloved Amelia" http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMduKAkaed4 There are still other minor things that may connect Atlantis to TR: Legend. Doesn't anyone find it strange that Tihocan is missing from his tomb? And That he imprisoned Natla In Crystal?  Who else have we run across suspended in Crystal? Oh yea...Maybe Queen Viracocha? Maybe King Arthur? They Both were said to be carried off to paradise when they died..(Avalon)   The Ruins Connect Atlantis To the Mayan Culture. And Natla's Own Words, And the Burning Globe in the Teaser Trailer link Natla To underworld, as Well As Amanda's Apparent use of Natla's equipment, or whatever those Crates contained. As For Lara Looking for Thor's Hammer.....It is plausible that she begins her search for it for whatever reason....then upon Natla's Return....Uses it in hopes that it May be powerful enough to finish Natla off once and for All... However this is just another Theory.... But I Call em like I see em.... Last edited by Ian_Croft; 07-22-2008 at 08:20 PM. 
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07-22-2008, 12:35 AM
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Welcome to the forums! You're observations are very astute. The only thing that seems not to fit, or at least I'm having difficulty with, is the crates thing. If Natla was funding Amanda, then why was Amanda all about Avalon. Lara's mother was sent to Avalon and based on the King Arthur myths and other comments, Avalon seems like a paradise. So, if Amanda was a puppet for Natla, then why search for or try to reach Avalon, a paradise? Why not just Amanda to the Ruins to bring about the 7th age in the first place.
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07-22-2008, 12:51 AM
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It could be possible that Natla Was not always aware of the Calender as a way to bring about the 7th age....And as it has been stated...Atlantis was the Basis for many Civilizations. This could include the culture and people at the time of King Arthur.
Maybe Natla Thought to look there before hand. plus...I think Everyone (Lara's, Amanda's) Idea of Avalon isnt quite what it was pictured to be. I Firmly believe Avalon has more to do with Atlantis then has been revealed. Lara's dad did have reason to believe that the SCION (of Atlantian origin) Could lead him to discover what happened to amelia. What those reason were however....we dont know...
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07-22-2008, 01:02 AM
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Maybe Natla was sent to Avalon and using(controlling) Amanda from there and therefore needed Amanda to open the Gate(Dias) as a way to take to human form in our world again? And once back, then could use the calender to bring about the 7th age? Or am I stretching it?
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07-22-2008, 01:14 AM
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Well..Im not sure How FAR you would need to stretch it to actually call it "Stretching it" lol.
Im just pretty certain that Atlantis, The Mayans, Avalon, will have a big part to play...as well as thor's Hammer...although Im suspicious of that plot line...It might be a front.
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07-22-2008, 01:18 AM
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07-22-2008, 01:46 AM
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I must say, your theory is the best I've read.I think I have one to stick to, whilst I too make my own theory about what's going on, before the game comes out.
By the way, welcome to the forums, and thanks for sharing your thoughts about the game, so far.
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07-22-2008, 02:31 AM
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Another thing Im wondering...This is From a TR:A Cutscene....
Natla - "It Takes Three to Rule. Tihocan and Qualopec were too weak to destroy what stands in the way of the 7th Age." This really peaked my curiosity......Any ideas as to What it might be that stands in the way of the 7th age? What ever it is...Tihocan, and Qualopec Could not destroy what ever it is....Im also assuming this takes place while Natla is imprisoned. Could It be the World? Natla did say "Everything Must Burn, before the 7th Age can begin"
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07-22-2008, 02:39 AM
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Welcome to the forum, Ian_Croft
You have a very interesting and well thought out theory here. One of the most believable. Just one question: Having read through it, your theory is very much centered around Natla's return and the hows and whys she will set about bring the 7th age into being. Where does Lara fit into all this? We already know that Lara isn't in the business of saving the world. She is the business of discovering long forgotten tombs, often being the first human to set foot in them for centuries, and finding artifacts. We have been told that in TRU she will go further than ever before to reach her goals, to uncover the truths she is seeking It could be Lara this time round who puts the world in danger with her discoveries, but she forges ahead regardless. As we see from the trailer: Lara is clearly not her self as she appears in Legend, but someone much darker in personality.. If Natla is after setting about the 7th age, and Amanda will once again go after her plan to get to Avalon (possibly) will we be seeing three dangerous women in Underworld? Well Natla did say it takes three to Rule...but somehow I don't see Lara backtracking and agreeing to Natlas original offer and joining her....so how does it all fit? Your theory as plausible as it seems, almost forces Lara's story to one side and centers around Natla.
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07-22-2008, 02:57 AM
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Well Thats The thing isnt it....I cant assume Anything on Lara yet becuase All we know is that she appears much darker, and she blows up her house....that is ALL...I couldnt even tell you were to begin to speculate on her motives. Could be a number of things.
We Know that Lara was Looking for The Scion with her father...Her father vanished, leaving her to carry on the search. Her father believed strongly the Scion could tell him what had happened to Amelia....We have to assume that he was correct in that belief. I don't See Lara joining Natla....But Possibly Amanda. I'm Wanting to believe that Lara's Interaction with Amanda, and Possibly Natla, and the Mayan Calender, and Xibalba (The Mayan underworld) Is what they mean when they say she brings the world on the brink of catastrophe... I don't see Lara endangering the world for a mere artifact...Unless it Leads her to her mother... Last edited by Ian_Croft; 07-22-2008 at 03:29 AM.
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07-22-2008, 04:04 AM
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Hi,am a fresh new member
 well about the photo with that mayan statue which comes from mexico where they seal natla.As i remember tihocan and qualopec say to natla that it is her fault that atlantis was destroyd so they were from the moment they sealed natla in mexico.Atlantis was destroyed and if you remember natlas crystal was also found in mexico.And natla SHOULD actually appear or at least a connection in underworld as they left so many questions in legend and anniversary there is no reason why they would show so many things that link to her
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07-22-2008, 04:26 AM
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I found out the reason why the octopus is in Underworld. it is because thor used his hammer in the underworld to fight off serpents and demons, therfore it explains why underpus, the giant octopus is in the cave as according to mythology it used to protect things. But the question is what???
In connection to Norse mythology Thor fought something often referred to as the Midgard serpent but could this be the serpent Lara fought in Legend. in my opinion maybe... if it is not then it could well be one of the bosses that she could face but the question is that it is hidden but no one knows where. when they were talking about Lara's quest could lead to the end of the world or huge disaster i found out that it may be referring to Ragnarok, where heaven, earth and the underworld will be destroyed causing the world to end. also i foundout that if the game is about lara finding Thor's hammer then in order to use the hammer to get into Avalon or whereever she is going she would need the gloves and the belt of strength in order to possess the power of the hammer. BUT the problem arises to where are they and the hammer and they are in Asgard which is where Thor resting place is so it could well be that Lara may go there. also it looks like one of the locations is set to be in Cambodia as in the concept art it shows the sex arm statue that we saw in the first tomb raider movie. i also found out that a dragon could well be another boss she is likely to face in the underworld,
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07-22-2008, 05:06 AM
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I love the theories in this thread.
To the person who made this thread: I find your theory and evidence to be very convincing. You may have something here. Myself, like others, have my own theory but you have quite a nice share of evidence. It takes 3 to rule.. So maybe Amanda could convince Lara to rule with herself and Natla and Lara could be tempted because if Tihocan and Qualopec could seal Natla, then Amanda and Lara should be able to. (Lara and Amanda would obviously seal Natla once they have made their way to Avalon, or acheived whatever they aim for by joining Natla). Even more of a twist would be if Amanda betrays Lara, and then Natla and Amanda try to seal Lara. Haha  Im not saying this is what I actually think will happen, because im just joking mostly. And also sorry about any spelling mistakes. 
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07-22-2008, 05:06 AM
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i wonder...
ive gots a question. not completely relevant but it always left me curious. i wonder how big the hammer would be? well, if it's used by the gods then it must have some sort of giganticness to it?
and also...no one has speculated on this. lara knocked amanda out at the end of legend. what do you think she did with her? interogate her? inprison her at her house? just a few things that came to mind.
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07-22-2008, 05:37 AM
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07-22-2008, 10:11 AM
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it says that the story in the Mediterranean level is to recover an artifact but the question is what??? there is also the question of what is the forgotten power???
The forgotten power cannot be thor's hammer as they have already mentioned it but it might be the Midgard Serpent. The one that Thor was after but could not defeat. it was said that Thor would find the serpent when the end is near and would destroy it but then it would destroy the world as well and him in the process. the ancient artifact could be one of many things but i think it must have some connection to the hammer and the fact that it was a lead from her father. But in order to wield the hammer you must have the iron gloves and the belt of strength which she does not have. so unless this is one of the artifacts she is trying to recover in the mediterranean caves i can't think of anything else that could connect the caves to the hammer. Why would eidos say that the hammer has the power to destroy gods unless there is a god you must face in Underworld. the Octopus or kraken as some call it must have been placed there for a reason but why??? It must be guarding something important. Unfornuately we do not get to see what happens after she kills the kraken but i think that she will unleash something into the world. However, the only God that can transform itself into other beings both human and animal form is loki who was punished and locked dead inside a cave beneath the sea. he was the Gods sworn enemy and he hated Thor. So when lara kills the kraken she could be unleashing Loki he then goes on to take the form of Lara and what better way of being disguised. she can access lots of information and Loki has a reason for impersonating lara as he wants the hammer as well in order to destroy the gods but they would not know it was him just like he tricked Baldr brother into kiilling his own brother.
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07-22-2008, 05:51 PM
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Oh cool, you read my theory over at TRF!
 I've quoted you over there, too, you have several good points that support the Natla theory! Last edited by Quasimodo; 07-22-2008 at 05:56 PM.
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07-24-2008, 02:07 AM
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THEORIES...
1.PROOF THAT NATLA MIGHT APPEAR IN TRU a) the mayan underworld was thought to be where the creation of civilization began but in legend Lord Richard Croft thought it was Atlantis that was the basis for civilization. Both were Pyramid shaped and if Natla was to find another atlantis based place then this could be where she would go - To where it all had been thought to begun. b) Atlantis could be one of the underworlds or the one that Natla went to was only one of the kingdoms of Atlantis as scientists do not have proof of the exact location of Atlantis and was thought to be somewhere in the Mediterranean. c) Atlantis can be seen in many mythology as being a place like heaven so this could be a connection to Avalon. d) could the 7th age be what the norse myths have gone on about ragnarok - the end of the world and this maybe why natla was breeding the mutants to recreate an army to take over the world. In ragnarok it said the serpent would destroy the world and the remaining gods would rebuild a new earth for civilization. Could this be the 7th age Natla was talking about. e) If Atlantis came before the Mayan civilization then the kings and queens of Atlantis then went on to become what we know today as the greek gods and the norse gods. f) the burning globe could represent the world being in danger and the recreation of a new world. Fire is a symbolism of chaos and war. It is the bringer of destruction.Fire cleanses and purifies. g) unless she is trying to stop Natla from unleashing the 7th age upon the world and needs thor's hammer to stop this but one of the plot's might be that she is too late and and has to defeat the final boss in order to stop it destroying the world.But if this happened then she could also die according to norse mythology. 2.LARA AND BLOWING UP HER MANSION THEORIES depending when lara's mansion blows up it could well be the end of the sixth level as she could come out of the underworld possessed. what we might actually be seeing is now lara actually blowing up the mansion but an illusion of her who actually blows up the mansion. Loki was a trickster and could create things out of mid air so what we might actually be seeing is an illusion of lara croft who does actually go on to blow up the mansion. 3.THE FORGOTTEN POWER - WHAT COULD IT BE??? i think the unforgotten power could be the midgard serpent as they said her mission would end the world if she continued it so finding thor's hammer could lead her to the serpent's whereabouts unleashing it upon the world and ending it. Unless the forgotten power is Thor's hammer itself NOTES the Mayan Calendar is only involved in the fourth level where she needs the calendar to open up xibalba. The Scion has the ability to give the person the think they most desire so that is why lara and her father wanted it - to find out what happened to Amelia but after that was destroyed the only other place lara could possibily go is to tthe other place where civilization was thought to have been created - Mexico. In my opinion i think the crates are there as an indication that Natla may be alive and thats all because it was Rutland that funded Amanda and unless its not Amanda and Natla in disguise as she did shred her form but could have easily created a new one and then what we saw in Legend might mean that Amanda did not survive but was possessed by an ancient being. has anyone ever noticed the symbol on the wall in the trailer the one that looks like a circle, It seems that the puzzle that lara has to face in order to open the underworld she has to align the puzzle with the equinoxes.
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