8 Screenshots Taken By Me!

[angelic_layer_tamayo_fan]

These were all taken by me and then edited to make them look clearer i realy have 38 taken but im only sharing 8 for now If these aint aloud up plz take em down immedietly!

[aussie500]

l am pretty sure we were told pictures were included in the ban here, and since this will not be a future game now anyway, there is no point drooling over what we cannot have

[Psychopompador]

actually- so far- stills have not been banned- just the video and links to it. (I'm not even sure they ever actually said anything about that on this particular forum)

[Treeble]

Actually, we have:

Originally Posted by MattD

I understand that you are all excited about the video, however, please do not post links to where it can be located.

I don't mean to be the bad guy, but if it continues I am going to have to start banning...

Talk = okay
Links/Screens/Media = not okay

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpos...9&postcount=35

[Psychopompador]

Ahhhh....

[Joshorty]

UGH this just reminds me how much CORE has done and yet now cancelled - the agony...

[yesrushdt]

Originally Posted by Joshorty

UGH this just reminds me how much CORE has done and yet now cancelled - the agony...

Hopefully whatever CD comes up with will be better, but I guess we will never know. They should have just finished and improved upon what Core had already done, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Joshorty]

most likely not ...

[aussie500]

It would be impossible for them to "simply finish what Core had done" It was not theirs to touch, everything involved with the cancelled remake remained with the Core people who made it, nothing was released to Crystal Dynamics. And before anyone says anything, no it cannot be released without Eidos's approval since they own the Core Design name and thus the Tomb Raider copyright

[susan]

Originally Posted by aussie500

It would be impossible for them to "simply finish what Core had done" It was not theirs to touch, everything involved with the cancelled remake remained with the Core people who made it, nothing was released to Crystal Dynamics. And before anyone says anything, no it cannot be released without Eidos's approval since they own the Core Design name and thus the Tomb Raider copyright

So if Eidos owns Core Design (and hence all their IP and code), why can't they (with their Core Design hat on) pass the IP and code to Crystal Design...? After all, they may all be named separately but it is the same company.

I'm not saying you're wrong aussie, I'm just wondering why they can't hand stuff over if they want to.

I've worked for a company that was similarly structured (different IP, brands and so on owned under separate names), and they handed over things all the time. It was just a case of getting the right paperwork filed.

[aussie500]

Eidos only owns the released games, unreleased they remain the property of the developer which was Core Design, the Core Design studio and all its assets were sold to Rebellion. So Rebellion would now legally own the game. But cannot release it without the copyright owners permision, and they will never get that. All Eidos own is the Core Design company name, which is how they retain the copyright

[susan]

Originally Posted by aussie500

Eidos only owns the released games, unreleased they remain the property of the developer which was Core Design, the Core Design studio and all its assets were sold to Rebellion. So Rebellion would now legally own the game.

Eidos has sold Tomb Raider assets to Rebellion??? How very odd indeed.

[GoranAgar]

Originally Posted by Susan

Eidos has sold Tomb Raider assets to Rebellion??? How very odd indeed.

That is not what that means. What he means is that they sold the Core Design assets. Not the name Core Design or Tomb Raider.

[susan]

Originally Posted by GoranAgar

That is not what that means. What he means is that they sold the Core Design assets. Not the name Core Design or Tomb Raider.

I didn't mean the Tomb Raider assets - ie, the copyrights and so on.

As I understand it - Aussie is saying the Anniversary Edition code/IP that Core Design developed has been sold to Rebellion.

Originally Posted by aussie500

So Rebellion would now legally own the game. But cannot release it without the copyright owners permision

That's what I meant by TR assets. I find it odd that Eidos has sold anything to do with TR to Rebellion...

Or is this normal in the computer games business..?

[shaahinkaaveh]

Hey, I've seen the trailer. But are all of these scenes remade locations from TR1? I mean I don't recognise them. I recognise the waterfall, the T rex, and some others. But what is the rest? Where was Colosseum, Sphinx, ... ?
I am a little visually stupid , please help me.

[aussie500]

Yes they were all from Tomb Raider 1, we compared just about every single frame to the original on another forum, but the thread is now that long it would take a week to read through it. If the Rebellion (used to work for Core) guys wanted to, there is nothing to stop them changing Lara to another character, altering the locations so they were not so obviously Tomb Raider 1 and changing a bit of the gameplay or else it might still fall foul of the Tomb Raider copyright, and releasing it as a new game. l do not think they would anyway, but they could. They could use the same engine, and same moves, it is a pity they would have to change the locations though, l really like the work they did updating them The bottom 2 pictures above are from the caves level, l especially liked the glimpses we saw of that level, the boat you see in the illegal trailer is from the same level

[@m]

Regarding the assets discussion:

From the Eidos press release:

Core joins the Rebellion


The Rebellion Group has reached an agreement with SCi Entertainment Group plc to purchase the staff and physical assets of Core Design.

The deal will see the Rebellion group acquire the Derby studios and staff of Core Design, who will continue to work with Eidos on a new project and will be re-named [Rebellion Derby]. The Core Design name and valuable IPs will be retained by Eidos. The acquisition forms an important part of Rebellion’s strategy to become one of Europe’s leading independent studios.

[susan]

Hmmm, hasn't made it any clearer to me.

Did they take the Anniversary Edition stuff with them to Rebellion like aussie says, or has it remained behind as part of the valuable IPs... (with the potential therefore to be given to Crystal for re-work)?

Physical assets usually means premises, computer and office equipment and so on. Does it also mean computer code written? Anyone know?

[aussie500]

From what the Core guys told us elsewhere (not on this forum) the code was never given to Eidos, so l am pretty sure it went with them, at that time they had no intention of releasing their hard work to anyone else. The one thing l missed in the caves level was this fella

He was not as noticable in the trailer, although l notice as Lara was running by she was looking at him (and she had the guns out). l always remember when l first played Tomb Raider being very suspicious of that pile of bones, l was convinced he was going to move if l jumped down there

[Joshorty]

REALLY?!?! I didn't notice that in the trailer. and yeah when I firsy played it, which was when I was only 9, I was so scared to see that half mummified crunched up bone dude. He (or she ) scared me when I pulled one of the switches in Tomb of Quolopec!! But the trailer - she was poitning at it!!! ?!?!?! AIYa that'll be freaky..

[kksmith]

Originally Posted by aussie500

From what the Core guys told us elsewhere (not on this forum) the code was never given to Eidos, so l am pretty sure it went with them, at that time they had no intention of releasing their hard work to anyone else.

That doesn't seem right though. Eidos owns Tomb Raider, and subsequently all of Core's work. I think by law they are entitled to the code. I think they would own that too. Maybe I'm wrong though.

For a remake tho I'm not entire sure you *need* the original code anyways. I mean, they are starting from scratch, so other than maybe a handy reference (i.e. "So this is what triggers boulder X to fall.."), it's not required.

[burt_ie]

So if Core has done all this work and now Crystal D are working on a whole new version of thier own doesnt that mean that somewhere on a few computers somewhere there is a half finshed game that Core will always keep?

How cool would it be to get to play it?

[Faye]

Yes, I was exactly the same! In the Caves, and also in the Tomb Of Qualopec! Especially in there! When I turned around after pulling the switch and suddenly seen him right in front of me! I always wanted to get away from him in a hurry... Well, I was only ten.

[Joshorty]

Originally Posted by Faye

Yes, I was exactly the same! In the Caves, and also in the Tomb Of Qualopec! Especially in there! When I turned around after pulling the switch and suddenly seen him right in front of me! I always wanted to get away from him in a hurry... Well, I was only ten.

LOL that time, I was so gullable to believe any monster/animal/dinosaur/T-REx would pop-out to get me -even if it's a flatgraphic like the skull-mummy thing!! I HATED THAT I was so scared to find him behind me that I fell to the spikes below-_-

Originally Posted by burt_ie

So if Core has done all this work and now Crystal D are working on a whole new version of thier own doesnt that mean that somewhere on a few computers somewhere there is a half finshed game that Core will always keep?

How cool would it be to get to play it?

Yet we'r
e not allowed...it just shows how the world hide things from us...who knows how many things they didn't uncover to us

[aussie500]

No it was only on the first mummified skeleton creature l was worried, once l worked out he was not going to move l was not so worried. But they did make them sort of stand out and grab your attention, and although the one in the cancelled game only looked like a normal skeleton, the fact that she was looking at it as she ran by and seemed to draw her guns, gives me a suspicion they would have moved this time. l am sure Eidos had good reason to cancel the game, although the only one l could think of is that Crystal Dynamics were working on redoing all or part of Tomb Raider 1 as well. We will have to wait and see what they come up with....although if it is not a faithfull remake, it could be the best Tomb Raider game ever done and l would always regret not getting the Core game to play