Slightly disappointed in Crystal Dynamics...

[StarChampagne]

Hehehe, I am moaning a bit too much

But I just want CD to get it right! We'll probably have at least a year to wait for the next installment. And they set the bar quite high by criticising Aod so much. I'll love Legend anyway, but I just hope CD don't get too carried away with this whole team thing...

[WraithStar]

Originally Posted by StarChampagne

Hehehe, I am moaning a bit too much

But I just want CD to get it right! We'll probably have at least a year to wait for the next installment. And they set the bar quite high by criticising Aod so much. I'll love Legend anyway, but I just hope CD don't get too carried away with this whole team thing...

Replace "team" with "dress/infiltrating a Yakuza party" and that's my view

[TRaiderGurl]

I think that the dress was ripped on the sides during battle, or maybe she ripped them so that she could wear her guns...i dunno. Its just that in the latest video

http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/...tv_movies.html

you see the black dress and heels for a quick moment, and there are no side slits.


Anyway....

[melviso]

I have been reading the threads and I strongly suggest that Crystal D. should take extra caution the way they go about this game.Certain games have been criticized in the past on moral grounds and I definitely would not want Tomb Raider Legend to be one of them as it struggles to gain ground after what happened with AOD.
I wonder how parents would react if they find their kids playing some impropely dressed game model on the screen.I am sure that level where Lara has this controversial dress on will be hard to finish.Ur imagination should do the rest.
I think a hot dress is appropriate but there are other ways of achieving this.I personally think the dress is kinda hot but caution....Crystal Dynamics... caution!!!

[Psychopompador]

it is likely that those kids have a copy of GTA or DOA or any of the 'outlaw' games in their collection. I'm also sure that parents would likely research the game rather than blindly walking into their child playing the tokyo level and get offended. (especially if they are parents of a child who watches any TV whatsoever after 7pm)

[melviso]

Yeah, u right.
Well.. its up to them to figure out what to do...Hope they make the right decision.Crystal Dynamics, I mean.

[Psychopompador]

yeah- i definately understood what you meant- but there are way more serious fish to fry in the video game industry than Lara's dress... "hot coffee" anyone?

for instance.... has anyone been to the Hitman: Blood Money forum? I personally havent, but i do know that one of the levels is a mansion where a former porn magazine magnate lives, and where "movies" are being shot while you traverse the level. Definatley not a kids game. But has an almost 300 reply thread been started in there about some of that games content.

thats definately apples to oranges as Legend is an all-ages game, I'm just saying that there are much worse kids can get there hands on...

[WraithStar]

Originally Posted by Psychopompador

yeah- i definately understood what you meant- but there are way more serious fish to fry in the video game industry than Lara's dress... "hot coffee" anyone?

for instance.... has anyone been to the Hitman: Blood Money forum? I personally havent, but i do know that one of the levels is a mansion where a former porn magazine magnate lives, and where "movies" are being shot while you traverse the level. Definatley not a kids game. But has an almost 300 reply thread been started in there about some of that games content.

thats definately apples to oranges as Legend is an all-ages game, I'm just saying that there are much worse kids can get there hands on...

Just because there are worse things out there doesn't mean that Lara should lower herself a bit in order to remain popular. I've played games such as Prince of Persia:Warrior Within where the female characters were dressed worse than Lara (I believe someone posted a pic of them earlier in this thread). It bothered me, but nowhere near this much because Lara is Lara, not one of them.

[melviso]

With a perfect camera in comparison to AOD,a close up camera angle of Lara as she makes a jump in that dress.Your guess is as good as mine.
I even hear that the camera as been so designed u can zoom in on Lara's butt.
Sales strategy..What do u think?

[WraithStar]

Originally Posted by TRaiderGurl

I think that the dress was ripped on the sides during battle, or maybe she ripped them so that she could wear her guns...i dunno. Its just that in the latest video

http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/...tv_movies.html

you see the black dress and heels for a quick moment, and there are no side slits.

I'm not bothered overly much by the side slits in the dress (I can force myself to accept that she needs to put her guns somewhere ). It's mainly the way the top of the dress is cut that so repulses me. Ignoring my belief that it's totally out of character for Lara to go around flirting with people for information, I think that dress is ugly because of the vertical slit in the front. It obviously provides no support and would be worse than useless in a battle. Even if they wanted to go with roughly the same...exposure for Lara's body, I think that they should have done a normal low cut, like a Victoria's Secret commercial. That would have been a lot more functional in a fight, and I think it would look better too.

[Xxx_Lara_xxX]

This controversy over 'the dress' is probably doing more to help publicize Legend than ads... it gets people emotional

[WraithStar]

Originally Posted by Xxx_Lara_xxX

This controversy over 'the dress' is probably doing more to help publicize Legend than ads... it gets people emotional

Is there a controversy outside of this thread? I would think that the only people reading this thread are people who have already decided whether or not to buy Legend (they are, after all, on Legend's official forum). I think that the real advertising for Legend comes from plastering shots of Lara in that dress all over magazines and such, obviously to appeal to people's baser instincts Granted other games have been advertised in this way before, but Crystal specifically said that Lara has been over-sexualised in the past and they were going to get away from that.

[Xxx_Lara_xxX]

Good point. Maybe the only impression average people get is from pictures of lara in a skimpy dress as the so-called "return to the original Tomb Raider"

Even so a thread on this exact topic was closed/ banned on another (unnamed ::cough: forum after only a few days. I think the dress has upset a lot of longtime TR fans, sadly its almost like the old days again when Lara was made into some cheap -looking boob girl (or topless) in the advert promos, during months right before the game release.

[GoranAgar]

Originally Posted by WraithStar

I think that the real advertising for Legend comes from plastering shots of Lara in that dress all over magazines and such, obviously to appeal to people's baser instincts

Gee, the real advertising has already started. How many pictures of Lara have been released so far? Several hundred I would say. And how many of those pictures show her in that beautiful dress? Do you have a hand free?

So what is your prediction based on? Not your observations obviously.

Originally Posted by Xxx_Lara_xxX

Even so a thread on this exact topic was closed/ banned on another (unnamed ::cough: forum after only a few days. I think the dress has upset a lot of longtime TR fans.

It was someone from this thread who opened it and most people didn't care. Just like here. Almost all longtime TR fans do not care about this mini crusade.

Poor pony.
__________________

Sherlock Holmes: "You see, but you do not observe."

[WraithStar]

Originally Posted by GoranAgar

Gee, the real advertising has already started. How many pictures of Lara have been released so far? Several hundred I would say. And how many of those pictures show her in that beautiful dress? Do you have a hand free?

So what is your prediction based on? Not your observations obviously.



Sherlock Holmes: "You see, but you do not observe."

I meant I've seen several magazine articles linked to on this forum that have pics of Lara wearing that dress. My comment was merely that CD isn't using objections to the dress in order to advertise the game. The magazines seem to be doing well advertising, "Look at Lara's boobies in this dress!" so I don't see why CD would want to make it into a controversial thing publicly.

I "see" Lara in that dress, and I "observe" that she no longer has any self-respect.

[Acceber]

Originally Posted by WraithStar

I meant I've seen several magazine articles linked to on this forum that have pics of Lara wearing that dress. My comment was merely that CD isn't using objections to the dress in order to advertise the game. The magazines seem to be doing well advertising, "Look at Lara's boobies in this dress!" so I don't see why CD would want to make it into a controversial thing publicly.

I "see" Lara in that dress, and I "observe" that she no longer has any self-respect.

FYI, the magazine that included the first image of the dress shown in this thread, PSM2, did not have Lara wearing the dress on the front cover. They did not have Lara wearing the dress on their 'Read all about the wonderful new TR Legend game on page X' contents menu, and in an article which contained 37 images from TR Legend, only five were of the dress, and only one of those five prominently featured the cleavage you are complaining about.

[WraithStar]

Originally Posted by Acceber

FYI, the magazine that included the first image of the dress shown in this thread, PSM2, did not have Lara wearing the dress on the front cover. They did not have Lara wearing the dress on their 'Read all about the wonderful new TR Legend game on page X' contents menu, and in an article which contained 37 images from TR Legend, only five were of the dress, and only one of those five prominently featured the cleavage you are complaining about.

And where did that one pic come from? Either it's in the game, in which case Crystal has totally changed Lara's character, or it was released for the magazine's use in publicizing the game.

I don't read gaming magazines; I only know what I've seen on this forum and that's what I was commenting on. One of the articles I read said that Legend has over 20 outfits in it. I've only seen 5: the standard outfit (I would expect that to be there), the sweater outfit and the coat outfit (it's cold, Lara wants to stay warm, that's perfectly reasonable), some sort of full-body outfit that might have been a wetsuit (Lara swims a lot, so again that's reasonable), and then that dress (if Lara's gone back to the tombs like they say, why is she wearing this? ) They've only released pictures of 1/4 of the outfits in the game, and the dress is one of them, so presumably they are using the dress as advertising. It sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other outfits. Even if they've only released a few pictures of it, I doubt anyone who sees all of the pictures won't automatically notice the dress and wonder what it's doing there (and then either like it or hate it, but in any case, remember it).

[Xxx_Lara_xxX]

If "no long-time TR fans care about the dress" why quickly close/ban a topic about the inappropriateness of the dress in another (unnamed) forum?? If no one cares, why has this one gone on for 10 pages??

The fact of the matter is that I am a long-time TR fan, all the way back from TR1 in 1996, I remember the original Lara and the original TR, and I also find this dress outfit so over-the-top and vulgar as to be completely unbelievable!!

Not because its so low cut almost completely showing her breasts, and her legs are completely exposed up to the hip, and her back completely exposed, but the combination of all of these things is so ***obviously*** milking TR and Lara for sex, just like Core did with the topless and lame TR4 pictures. That's why its offensive and why fans are upset.

Lara has always been sexy but not ... okay well its been said enough times. Even magazine jokes about "favourite new gadget - double sided sticky tape" is just repeating that age-old message to readers that Lara Croft = big bouncy breasts. Double sided sticky tape? Don't forget, Lara Croft = big bouncy breasts. Even my signature covers up more of her bust than the black straps on the dress, and its a **bikini***!!

[GoranAgar]

Originally Posted by Xxx_Lara_xxX

"no long-time TR fans care about the dress"

I stopped reading right there. Who are you quoting? It can't be me.

Originally Posted by GoranAgar

...most people didn't care. Just like here. Almost all longtime TR fans do not care about this mini crusade.

Everything has been said here. Everybody's point has been made (over and over again). You two can continue this via PM.