Hylden in SR1

[Kazame]

Does anyone know why we didnt see one hylden in the SR1 timeline? I mean, okay we know that in the BO2 timeline kain kills the SL and all, but in SR1, the timeline is still more original, and simple, or something. The pillars are destroyed, Kain is the last vamp, so he brings up his leitentants and they spawn their own clans... By this time I'd think hylden are roaming free as well, no? So what happens to them, do they get wiped out by the leutenants and their clans before the era of SR1? If this is so then raziel should have already known about the hylden every since SR1, but he doesnt. Any ideas?

[soothsayer]

I think the hylden went into hiding after they could no longer attain physical forms. And they couldn't really do that much since they have difficulty controlling Vampires. but they may have infected those in the human citidel.

[DemonicDC]

within SR1, BO2 never happened. BIG change ppl, very big. Path of least resistance, true.. but this was it, and the path change was big.

I guess the bindings did not cripple enought or something, cause kain still lives. and naturally, when he made his armor, things got harsh

[Kazame]

Demonic, i know that BO2 didnt happen, but that doesnt mean the hylden couldnt come into the real world. There are only two ways in which the binding can be broken, and those are (1) if all vampires in nosgoth perish, or (2) if the pillars topple. The pillars were toppled in SR1 era, which would presumably let the hylden escape from the demon dimension.

This made me think of another question, though. BO2 is basically a memory of kain, showing how the fatal paradox of sr2 put hylden in nosgoth (i THINK, anyway). But I was wondering, what made the difference between the original timeline and the altered one, in terms of hylden? IN BO2, vampires still roamed the lands and the pillars were toppled -- just like in SR1. The only difference was Janos being resurrected and used for the mass. So I'm just wondering, is the mass NEEDED for any hylden to enter the real world? I always thought it was the pillars that mattered only, not some machine. In SR2, the hylden appeared before raz and fought him in janos's era and the future one, and both of those eras (in their respective timeline) did not have the "mass" in existance yet. Can anyone clear this up?

[Smoke_Z]

Originally Posted by Kazame

The only difference was Janos being resurrected and used for the mass. So I'm just wondering, is the mass NEEDED for any hylden to enter the real world? I always thought it was the pillars that mattered only, not some machine. In SR2, the hylden appeared before raz and fought him in janos's era and the future one, and both of those eras (in their respective timeline) did not have the "mass" in existance yet. Can anyone clear this up?

Actually, the Mass was just for genocide, it did need Janos' blood. But it was Janos being alive on doomsday that allowed the hylden to escape and complete the device.

Sorry for the bad punctuation, but it makes the idea read clearer.

[Kazame]

So you're saying that without Janos, no hylden could physically enter the real world, correct? Just clarifying. But if that is so, what is the reason? Janos is alive, and so his aura invted hylden to the world? I would assume that, if anything, Janos's presence would act as more of a further binding than an entry for the hylden.

[Smoke_Z]

Originally Posted by Kazame

So you're saying that without Janos, no hylden could physically enter the real world, correct? Just clarifying. But if that is so, what is the reason? Janos is alive, and so his aura invted hylden to the world? I would assume that, if anything, Janos's presence would act as more of a further binding than an entry for the hylden.

Okay, you got me there. (Smoke rants for waaaaay longer than is necesary about the evils of not being telepathic.)

I don't know why Kain didn't know about the Hylden before. I think my old theory is that the hylden hung out on their little island because they didn't have anything to feed to their Mass genocide Device.

[Kazame]

haha well i hope we find out the reason in an upcoming game, whatever it is ^_^)

[WraithStar]

We already have the reason in Defiance

spoiler:

Janos is the only one strong enough to withstand the Hylden Lord's complete possession and yet weak enough to be overpowered (due to the fact that Janos was just revived). The Hylden Lord having a physical body in Nosgoth allowed him to retrieve the Nexus Stone, open a portal to the demon dimension, bring other Hylden into Nosgoth, set up his base on that island, and defeat Kain. Without Janos being alive after Kain refuses the sacrifice, the Hylden do not have enough of a foothold in Nosgoth to physically invade. That's why in the SR1 timeline, where Janos stayed dead, Kain and Raziel had no clue about the Hylden.

[DemonicDC]

And thats why in SR2 Kain had that look on his face, thats why he said that janos had to stay dead. But raz did not hear

[Kazame]

ahhhh, and so it is explained... well I'm content, thanks ^_^

[Vagabond_Angel]

Janos audron was needed to open the hylden gate or something... I’m confused at this point... Was the gate always there, just closed, or did the hylden need janos to create this gate? Or did the hylden create the gate from the inside and just needed it to be opened from the other side... Would they need an winged blue skinned ancient to open it from the outside? Or just anyone?

In the bo1/defiance era the binding was weak... So the hylden could poses people because of it...

In the sr1 era the binding has to be much much weaker due to the hundreds of years the pillars have lay in ruin... And if they can poses ancients like janos and turel the rest of the vampires in sr1 would be no prob...

Also...
Demons...
When the pillars collapsed it created a rift throughout the dimensions, and the demons could rip through from their world to Nosgoth... As seen in sr2 and defiance... So why r there no demons in the sr1 era?

[Irmok the Mad]

The reason there are no Hylden in SR1 is because the concept of them never existed at the time. Plot changes were made (and made the LoK series confusing as a result) due to budget and deadlines for the developers.

[Vampmaster]

SR1 didn't change, because Kain dealt with the hylden in BO2. It's history's way of recovering from the paradox and getting back on track. Kain said history always choose the path of least resistance.

[NexusStone]

In blood omen 1 the hylden is an dark black creature . Kain must battle it.
In blood omen 2 the hylden is the Sarafan Lord. kain must battle it.
In Defiance the hylden is janos audron corrupted . RAZIEL must battle it.
The hylden dont appear in sr1 and sr2

[Zulgbrtzchllha]

Originally Posted by NexusStone

In blood omen 1 the hylden is an dark black creature . Kain must battle it.
In blood omen 2 the hylden is the Sarafan Lord. kain must battle it.
In Defiance the hylden is janos audron corrupted . RAZIEL must battle it.
The hylden dont appear in sr1 and sr2

There's also a bunch of other Hylden that Kain kills in Blood Omen 2, and Raziel kills a whole lot of them in Defiance as well. And the Demons in Soul Reaver 2 were in league with the Hylden also (how the Demons and Hylden work together still hasn't really been fully explained).

[NexusStone]

Originally Posted by Zulgbrtzchllha

There's also a bunch of other Hylden that Kain kills in Blood Omen 2, and Raziel kills a whole lot of them in Defiance as well. And the Demons in Soul Reaver 2 were in league with the Hylden also (how the Demons and Hylden work together still hasn't really been fully explained).

I want to say heroes hylden. Not creatures. Janos, Sarafan lord, The unseen are heroes. And a quote for me

Bo1 : The unseen Creature
Bo2 : Sarafan Lord
Defiance: Janos Audron , !!!Turel!!!