Forget about IG: try instead Les Grognards!

[black_fish]

Just check this

http://www.histwar.com/index_en.php

A real historical simulation of the Napoleonic wars with good graphics.

After playing the demo several time I'm giving up on IG it's just completely silly, like a Monty Python recreation of Napoleonic warfare.

Instead I'll be playing NTW1 (www.thelordz.co.uk) and checking out Les Grognards.

[BANANAMAN]

Originally Posted by black_fish

Just check this

http://www.histwar.com/index_en.php

A real historical simulation of the Napoleonic wars with good graphics.

After playing the demo several time I'm giving up on IG it's just completely silly, like a Monty Python recreation of Napoleonic warfare.

Instead I'll be playing NTW1 (www.thelordz.co.uk) and checking out Les Grognards.

The only thing is: Imperial Glory has a turn base strategy board PLUS all provinces of Europe to play with while Les Grognards is very historicaly correct but has only one or two battles and NO turn base strategy board and all provinces of Europe.

And Imperial Glory will be seen at the major stores and pc stores near you while Les Grognards is being sold on the internet only, away from the publics view.

[Black-Adder]

you judge a game from a early demo?
and as mentioned aboce, IG will boast with more features. LEs grongnards are going to be a abandonware in 6 months

[BANANAMAN]

And by the way, Les Grognards or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz or whatever you call it has NO demo. lol!

It only has patches and screenshots and a video-coverage.

[BANANAMAN]

And with this Les Grognards or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz you cannot click on an group formation and tell it where to go or what to do.

It works this way, lol:

* There is a strategic map of the battle-field where you make your planning of attack, defence and so on. So, here you tell coloured boxes where to go.

* And in the so-called 'RTS' part of the battle-field you loose direct control, meaning when your troop formation(s) meet the enemy they depending on the situation automaticaly turn into squares, line formation and so on. You can do nothing about it except watching.

* If you want to do something about a troop formation of yours you will have to go back to the strategic battle-field map and give commands on the strategic level.

So, when you go into the so-called 'RTS' part of the battle-field in this game (Les Grognard or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz) you are as a gamer in a state of SIMULATION: you cannot directly click a formation or formations and giving them orders instantly and directly.

Conclusion: Les Grognards or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz is a SIMULATION pc wargame NOT a RTS (Real Time Strategy)/Turn base strategy board pc wargame. And a SIMULATION pc wargame is NOT my way of having fun from a pc wargame.

Got the info. from GameSpot's review, year: 2001.

[black_fish]

Of course Les Grognards doesn't have a demo, it's far from done

As for being a simulation, yes of course it is, it's a wargame, and as far as I know IG is supposed to be a wargame. Isn't it?

Now it's not because YOU want a RTS that everybody wants one

You list all the supposed cool things that IG has (or will have because like somebody said 'it's just a demo!'), but Les Grognards has elements that I like and that IG lacks:

Deployment : define in some clicks sectors to occupy, hour of realization, desired formation (Line, checkerboard, echelon), organization (line, column, mixed), reserve
Defense : indicate zones to held, using as best as possible geography of area
Diversion : try to mislead your opponent on your intentions
March : in a minimum of time send troops to occupy an area
Link : associate Corps to get an army or for mutual support

These commands are then interpreted by Chiefs of Corps so they organize their troops. The colonels then undertake to apply the received commands, but as well to make all actions needed to preserve their regiment. Thus, you will not have to command for a "Square" for each regiment charged by a squadron of cuirassiers...

Editors
Map editor : tool to build the Ground Numerical System (GNS). You can create as much as maps you will. Random mode provides GNS on demand.
OoB editor : programme for creation of Armies. Random mode provides balanced armies.


I think those are all great and will be missing from IG (unless like Black-adder believes they had tons of contents in the 3 or 4 weeks they have left before going gold ). You don't have to like them but don't patronize me in telling me what I should play. I have a lot of fun playing RTS like Warhammer Dawn of War or Starcraft, but when I play Rome Total War or something like IG I want historical realism (why play an historical game if there's no history in it? ).

And if you own MTW do yourself a service and download NTW1: it has all the features that Pyro reaped off from the TW series (including your turn by turn) and it is FREE.

Oh and Black-adder you don't judge games on their demos?!? So what's the purpose of a freaking demo?

[@m]

Originally Posted by black_fish

Just check this

http://www.histwar.com/index_en.php

A real historical simulation of the Napoleonic wars with good graphics.

Well I guess that's subjective. I find that the soldiers look like they've putted a bunch of tin soldiers in it. But that's just me.

[BANANAMAN]

@ black_fish.

LOL.

I wasnt talking about your way of having fun from a pc wargame, I was talking about my way of having fun from a pc wargame.

And for NTW1 (Napoleonic TotalWar MTW MOD. version) you need Medieval TotalWar AND Viking Invasion TotalWar Expansion Pack to change the NTW1 download into the NTW1 MTW MOD. not just Medieval TotalWar.

I dont have both and I wont bother myself buying the Viking Invasion TotalWar Expansion Pack just to change TWO pc wargames into just ONE pc wargame: so I would have payed the price of two and getting only one, LOL.

[Lindkvist]

Originally Posted by BANANAMAN

And with this Les Grognards or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz you cannot click on an group formation and tell it where to go or what to do.

It works this way, lol:

* There is a strategic map of the battle-field where you make your planning of attack, defence and so on. So, here you tell coloured boxes where to go.

* And in the so-called 'RTS' part of the battle-field you loose direct control, meaning when your troop formation(s) meet the enemy they depending on the situation automaticaly turn into squares, line formation and so on. You can do nothing about it except watching.

* If you want to do something about a troop formation of yours you will have to go back to the strategic battle-field map and give commands on the strategic level.

So, when you go into the so-called 'RTS' part of the battle-field in this game (Les Grognard or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz) you are as a gamer in a state of SIMULATION: you cannot directly click a formation or formations and giving them orders instantly and directly.

Conclusion: Les Grognards or Le Grande Armee: Austerlitz is a SIMULATION pc wargame NOT a RTS (Real Time Strategy)/Turn base strategy board pc wargame. And a SIMULATION pc wargame is NOT my way of having fun from a pc wargame.

Got the info. from GameSpot's review, year: 2001.

The above info you got there is for the old "Le Grande Armee at Austerlitz" (LGAA).

Les Grognards is much different from LGAA you can control your army in the 3D view and you don't have to just sit and watch if you don't want to. You can take direct control of every single regiment if and whenever you like.

And as for group formations you group them in corps and issue general orders (in the 3D mode) and you can at any given time detach a regiment from the corps.

/Lars L.

[black_fish]

Well Bananaman I was just trying to save you some grief (if not some money)

I bought my Medieval Total War box with viking included for $30 at best buy so I can still play a good Napoleonic game for $20 less than you will pay for IG


@m: I'd rate IG graphics very good to excellent, so that's why I said that Les Grognards had good graphics.

[Lindkvist]

Originally Posted by @m

Well I guess that's subjective. I find that the soldiers look like they've putted a bunch of tin soldiers in it. But that's just me.

Sure the units could use some extra polygons but it is a game decision in order to get more simultaneous troops on the field. 50 000 compared to IG’s 2 000!

Furthermore there are about 550 different units and the uniforms even have the correct facing colors for the different regiments. Uniforms even changes depending on what year it is e.g. French Line infantry has bicorn up to 1807 and shako from 1808. How’s that for historical accuracy?

And unlike IG there are also officers, drummers, flag bearer etc.

/Lars L.

[BANANAMAN]

Enjoy your NTW1 MTW MOD. I will enjoy my IG.

[BANANAMAN]

And the sounds of men shouting and other sounds in NTW1 MTW MOD. is not that much compared to that of Imperial Glory, yes? Honest question, honest answer please.

[BANANAMAN]

Originally Posted by Lindkvist

Sure the units could use some extra polygons but it is a game decision in order to get more simultaneous troops on the field. 50 000 compared to IG’s 2 000!

Furthermore there are about 550 different units and the uniforms even have the correct facing colors for the different regiments. Uniforms even changes depending on what year it is e.g. French Line infantry has bicorn up to 1807 and shako from 1808. How’s that for historical accuracy?

And unlike IG there are also officers, drummers, flag bearer etc.

/Lars L.

Yes, but does Les Grognards has a empire conquering & managing (of Europe & surrounding areas) in the form of a turn based strategy board? Does it also has naval battles??

[Lindkvist]

Originally Posted by BANANAMAN

The only thing is: Imperial Glory has a turn base strategy board PLUS all provinces of Europe to play with while Les Grognards is very historicaly correct but has only one or two battles and NO turn base strategy board and all provinces of Europe.

And Imperial Glory will be seen at the major stores and pc stores near you while Les Grognards is being sold on the internet only, away from the publics view.

Just to set the record straight, Les Grognards features about 10 battles to begin with and with the two editors (Map and OoB) you can make almost any Napoleonic battles between 1805 and 1814.

There are 15 different countries in the game all with their unique units and historical uniforms.

There will be a demo too. It’s just not ready yet.

/Lars L.

[BANANAMAN]

Well? Does Les Grognards has a turn based strategy board (of Europe & surrounding areas) and naval battles?

And WHY isnt it available on the shelves of the major & pc game stores??

[Lindkvist]

Originally Posted by BANANAMAN

Well? Does Les Grognards has a turn based strategy board (of Europe & surrounding areas) and naval battles?

No it hasn't, but you knew that already. It is however the best Napoleonic tactical game imho and a must have for all Napoleonic lovers.

Originally Posted by BANANAMAN

And WHY isnt it available on the shelves of the major & pc game stores??

Well, it has no official publisher yet so that's why.

/Lars L

[BANANAMAN]

Originally Posted by Lindkvist

Well, it has no official publisher yet so that's why.
/Lars L

And why doesnt it has a publisher yet?

Les Grognards, something for Eidos maybe?

[Lt.Phoenix]

Go ahead, I'd rather stay with what imo is the much better game, meaning IG

[Oststar]

I'm still getting Imperial Glory: it needs tweaking and balancing, but they're all minor issues that will be corrected. Les whatever sounds to be very different in some ways and in no way much better than IG.

[Czar]

Originally Posted by Lt.Phoenix

Go ahead, I'd rather stay with what imo is the much better game, meaning IG

Lt. Phoenix, Oststar et al.

How can you possibly judge which is the better game? You have a DEMO of IG and nothing from Les Grognards.

Or do you just prefer the Graphics?

(I DO wish people would stop REVIEWING games based on a screenshot )

[Lt.Phoenix]

It's not based on a screenshot, I'm basing it on all I've seen and they've told me about the two games.

[Oststar]

Originally Posted by Czar

Lt. Phoenix, Oststar et al.

How can you possibly judge which is the better game? You have a DEMO of IG and nothing from Les Grognards.

Or do you just prefer the Graphics?

(I DO wish people would stop REVIEWING games based on a screenshot )

ooooh i'm mentioned by name!

No I reviewed graphics by the screenshot and the gameplay from being told the strategy was weaker.

[Czar]

Oh! What you were told?...

Yes, I can see now...


Honestly Guys - believe NOTHING.
Wait for the player reviews. A lot of the people who are telling us stuff at this stage either:
- Have not seen anything except the demo of IG.
- Have an 'interest' in one game or the other (ie. They are programmers, designers, employees or are being paid in some way {Reviewers})
- Are compusive complainers who are upset that I.G. was not made the way they wanted...no DEMANDED... it be made.

There was even someone here who claimed he had played it (through friend at Eidos):
So I asked what the naval combat? I still don't think I have an answer

[Lt.Phoenix]

it's Arch, what do you expect? He said the first day he definitely wasn't going to buy it, and he's still complaining for them to change it, even though he won't be buying it.