Wouldn't the Elder God know about the Time Streamer Device? Spoilers

[cowscows]

Hello all,

I have some more questions about the LoK series, that I hope some people can clear up for me.

Wouldn't the Elder God have known that the Time Streamer devices were going to be created? Most of the story line is based on different paradoxes happening so that the future could be messed with, but in the normal progress of time, the time streamer is created. Why would the Eldar God allow the creation of a device that will screw up all his plans? I know that the Eldar God needed Kain to travel back in time to kill the young William the Just, as that created a reason for the humans to launch a huge attack against the Vampires that the Elder God so despised. But the machine still allowed Raziel to ruin all of the Eldar Gods plans (by doing things like getting Raziels soul insidea and outside the reaver). Shouldn't the god have destroyed the machines before Raziel could? Or did he just not see it coming?


Also, after the pillars were destroyed, a huge change in the passage of time happened, so would people still be bound to fate, or will they also get a free will? I wouldn't think so, but as the Eldar God never saw anything that Raziel did coming, he might not have planned a fate for everyone based on the Pillars being destroyed and the Scion of balance being purified, so people may not be bound to the wheel of fate.


Anyway, if you have any thoughts on these two questions, please share them. Thanks for reading and thanks again if you respond.

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Shouldn't the god have destroyed the machines before Raziel could? Or did he just not see it coming?

he's a big squid. no way he could reach out to the device..

Also, after the pillars were destroyed, a huge change in the passage of time happened, so would people still be bound to fate, or will they also get a free will?

nobody has free will

I wouldn't think so, but as the Eldar God never saw anything that Raziel did coming, he might not have planned a fate for everyone based on the Pillars being destroyed and the Scion of balance being purified, so people may not be bound to the wheel of fate.

except raziel. that's why they can't see his destiny

[BigKevSexyMan]

Actually Kain now has free will.

The EG didn't destroy the time streaming device because he needed Raziel to go back to time to kill kain in williams chapel.

[Shinryu]

most of the stuff that happens through time travels is part of EG's plan.

originally, Raziel was meant to kill Kain in William's chapel, then be absorbed into the Reaver after killing his former self; all of this was what EG wanted

Kain explains (in sr2 i think) that even going back in time won't change history, because no one has free will. In fact, the only one who can change things is Raziel, but EG is counting on his desire to kill Kain.

[KainOFthehylden]

Kain always had free will although his pass was seen by Moebius and EG,he was an expert in time travel therefore he always knew his destiny and tried to change it....that was what he did when he persuaded Raziel to spare him in William's Chapel...or else he would not have known that he was destined to die there and Raziel would've killed him...or better Raziel's free will causes Kain to have free will...but now after his purification he has free will naturally..

[Raziel'sRevenge]

why would the elder god see it coming? Mobius is the only one who can see into the future and we all know that he's got his own agenda. Maybe he didn't see any reason to tell the eg about what was going on. Also, with all of the changing of history there isn't much time to look up what's gonna happen next. Mobius couldn't have seen most of raziel's moves coming because it wasn't his destiny to make them, it was pure will power that let him, so mobius was left in the dark.

[Camus Audron]

Originally posted by Raziel'sRevenge
why would the elder god see it coming? Mobius is the only one who can see into the future and we all know that he's got his own agenda. Maybe he didn't see any reason to tell the eg about what was going on. Also, with all of the changing of history there isn't much time to look up what's gonna happen next. Mobius couldn't have seen most of raziel's moves coming because it wasn't his destiny to make them, it was pure will power that let him, so mobius was left in the dark.

what the? I cant belive that argument's still being used, Moebius is EG's good servant! I dont know how this can even be discussed anymore

and I thought it was quite obvious that the EG could see into the timestream himself, you can even see how the EG is the one to tell Moebius what's happening and what he has to do when Moe is praying to him in "moebius has the upper hand".

Timestreaming serves EG's purpose, he doesnt want things to unfold naturally, he has Moebius build the chronoplasts so that other agents like Kain and Raziel can travel into the past, because that's the only way things can happen correctly (Reaver convergence in WTJ's chapel), and so was most of raziel's quest, Raziel's presence in the past put everything at stake, but it also was his only chance to kill kain.