The hylden in Defiance?

[anuk]

OK we all know that becasue of their imprisionment in the DD(demon dimension) the hylden were forcibly evolved and got the ability to posses people. I'm just wondering which of the enemies were hyldens?

I recall:
Revenant
possesed hunters turning into monsters(new hylden form)
Dead Vampires (the old type in voradors mansion with wings)
Ancient hylden?(I'm guessing this because I was fighting an enemy with the heel like feet)

If I'm wrong with any can people please correct me?

[DMraider]

I thought the creatures with Green Eyes where Hylden or possesed by Hylden.

[anuk]

Thats how I got my list down by looking at their eyes!

[Shinryu]

spoilers
you see no hylden in defiance. they are only able to return to nosgoth in their physical form after the fledgling kain refuses the sacrifice, causing a rift which the hylden lord uses to open a gate. you only see hylden that possess other beings, like the revenants, Mortanius, Turel and Janos. that's the only way they could "interact" with nosgoth before the collapse of the pillars.

[Umah Bloodomen]

Welcome to the community, Shinryu!

While SPOILERS are no longer mandatory in this section of the forums, I notice that you're being courteous and identifying potentially spoilerish information. (Which is great!)

You may wish to take advantage of the SPOILER tutorial located in the fifth post of this thread so that you can learn how to use the actual SPOILER vB code.

[TheWatcher]

Originally posted by Shinryu
spoilers
you see no hylden in defiance.

True, there are no hylden (having escaped the demon dimension) in Nosgoth during Defiance. There are however, possessed Hylden. These are Hylden who died before the binding and were not bodily ejected in the banishment. They are dead hylden bodies being possessed by other hylden souls from within the DD. These can be seen in the garden of Vorador's mansion (where you jump onto the pillars and into the second floor window) as you're returning to the crypt with Janos' heart. They can take a reaver beating like a vampire hunter sorceress, but without a glyph shield.

[Shinryu]

Thanks for the great welcome!

and thanks thewatcher for pointing that out.

[Iceburg]

I think you'll find that the posesed corpses are actually wraiths set by the elder god to stop Raziel. towards the end of Defiance we see both Vampier and hylden corpses chasing raz around the Vampier Citidel. remember raziel inhabits corpses to escap the underworld and says "it seems my method of entering the material plan wasn't entierly original"

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by Iceburg
I think you'll find that the posesed corpses are actually wraiths set by the elder god to stop Raziel. towards the end of Defiance we see both Vampier and hylden corpses chasing raz around the Vampier Citidel. remember raziel inhabits corpses to escap the underworld and says "it seems my method of entering the material plan wasn't entierly original"

Actually, according to the Prima Defiance guide (which has a really good descriptive section on the enemies, BTW), Revenants "were once normal corpses that have been possessed by disconnected Hylden souls..." (Prima 94).

It also goes on to show the three different types of Revenants; the Human Revenants (most common), Vampire Revenants and the Hylden Revenants (which according to the picture, I don't recall stumbling across personally). (Prima 94).

I really don't believe that Squiddy teamed up with dead Hylden considering how set in their own ways they are. Now the Archon's would be classified as "servants" of the Elder, however they were determined not to be wraiths:

Originally posted by Chris@Crystal on behalf of the Defiance team
15. Are those vampire wraiths in Defiance(The Archons)?

No, the Vampire Wraiths and Archons are not the same creature though they do both devour souls. One of the larger differences between them is that Archons are agents of the Elder God while Vampire Wraiths are merely unfettered malicious spirits.

The most recent FAQ session.

[Jade Tsrugi]

I believe you do face actual hylden, in bodily form, in defiance. After Kain is killed he is sent to the DD where you must fight multiple demons from SR2, which, when looked upon closely, also resemble the hylden of B02. But since this is a later time, they have been forcibly evolved further. They are only allowed to come back on the way down as Raziel because of some special summoning spell. I have realized this because if you kill the summoning priests and then die, when you go backt the demons are not there and will not come back.

:P. 15 years old and acting like a smart alec.

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by Jade Tsrugi
I believe you do face actual hylden, in bodily form, in defiance. After Kain is killed he is sent to the DD where you must fight multiple demons from SR2, which, when looked upon closely, also resemble the hylden of B02. But since this is a later time, they have been forcibly evolved further. They are only allowed to come back on the way down as Raziel because of some special summoning spell. I have realized this because if you kill the summoning priests and then die, when you go backt the demons are not there and will not come back.

:P. 15 years old and acting like a smart alec.

Compliments of The Lost Worlds
Q: Are the Hylden and the Demons the same beings or different entities all together?
A: The Demons are native to the dimension where the Hylden were banished, and are a seperate race.

There were clearly two species of demons in Defiance (Fire Demons and Lightning Demons) which have been established not to be Hylden.

According to Prima, these are Hylden Revenants:



(Which I personally don't recall meeting up with offhand).

Then you have the Basic Revenants:



and finally the Vampire Revenants:



These thumbnails link to larger images. BTW.

At any rate, the Hylden Revenants don't appear to be encountered in the demon dimension judging from that image.

EDIT: Grammatical adjustment.

[evil_sharkey]

The Hylden revenants are in Vorador's mansion the second time around. When I first saw them I thought they were just tougher Vampire revenants in red skirts 'cause I didn't have any kind of manual. The stupid maggot bags take for friggin' ever to kill.

Hmm. Vorador must have an awful lot of corpses in his mansion to produce so many revenants. Ick.

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by evil_sharkey
The Hylden revenants are in Vorador's mansion the second time around. When I first saw them I thought they were just tougher Vampire revenants in red skirts 'cause I didn't have any kind of manual. The stupid maggot bags take for friggin' ever to kill.

Hmm. Vorador must have an awful lot of corpses in his mansion to produce so many revenants. Ick.

I haven't had the time to replay the game in a little over a month or so, so you'll have to excuse my forgetfulness with regard to this issue. I only seem to remember a large group of mixed revenants (basic and vampire types) in that area in both chapters eight and twelve. I will definitely pay closer attention the next time through.

[DJpick]

I remember the Hylden revenants, they weren't very common, and usually surrounded by like 12 basics. But they were there. I remember them cause I couldn't understand why they were covered in gold armor

[kakarot]

Originally posted by evil_sharkey
The Hylden revenants are in Vorador's mansion the second time around. When I first saw them I thought they were just tougher Vampire revenants in red skirts 'cause I didn't have any kind of manual. The stupid maggot bags take for friggin' ever to kill.

Hmm. Vorador must have an awful lot of corpses in his mansion to produce so many revenants. Ick.

right. when Raziel returns with the HOD.. the Hylden Revenants pop up all over the mansion. Also, with the purified "Soul Reaver" Raziel encounters them at the base of the Citadel entrance and the corridor to the left of that. Kain doesnt see any of these revenant like creatures for some odd reason. They only seem to pick on Raziel - their so called alleged champion.. (argueably you can say he was "their" champion as he provided Janos Audron for them - couldn't have happened with out him.)

[DJpick]

Well it's funny. Kain only sees the Vampire worshippers, while Raziel only sees the Hylden. Neither one sees the other group.

[LoK#1]

I think this was answered in a Q&A in the lost worlds
bodys were fragile to possess(mortals anyway)and like mortanius
would break if fully possessed thats why the Hylden need an incorruptable vessel(Janos)so they could possess him fully and his shell would not "break" over time(also the same with turel)
so the differences in hylden appearance are due to the amount of possession they put on a corpse ie 33% =normal revenant 66% winged framed revenant thingy and 99% the Regal looking revenants with crowns ,well thats my thoughts anyways


peace out!!!

[kakarot]

well..

as Umah previously stated, Prima's Strategy Guide gave a thorough description of the "revenant" situation and how the hylden were able to possess or reanimate the dead corpse of a human.

As they binding decayed their influence grew stronger and allowed them to possess the decayed corpse of the ancient vampires which enabled them to use a "telekinetic" attack while they possessed this body - they had a green glow - which temporarily shielded them from any projectile attack.. projecting it right back at you. (Remember, the pillars stand tall while using Kain.. Raziel is in an era where the pillars stand but decay not yet fully destroyed as the fledgling Kain is terrorizing the circle restoring the pillars one by one..)

When the binding collapsed they were now able to reanimate their fallen hylden corpse which made them temporarily invincible by using their very own "berserk" attack.

I think the book touched the subject better than any of the interviews did personally..

[DJpick]

So, did they take THEIR OWN corpses, or the corpses of Hylden comrades. Cause if they took their own corpses, that changes ideas about what form they are in in the DD.

[TheWatcher]

They had to be inhabiting the corpses of other Hylden. In the banishment, the (living) Hylden went into the demon dimension body & soul. At the time of LOK: D, the gate had not yet been opened so the Hylden could not be possessing their own bodies. The bodies they were possessing never made it to the DD and therefore were not deformed.

[Omni_Sephiroth]

The Revenant were dead bodys possesed by hylden spirits, when they fully controled them (we see this near the close of the game) you can see a vague idear of what the hylden look like

[kakarot]

Watcher is spot on... they controlled pretty much any dead hylden corpse. the same corpse you see in the "Redeemer and Destroyer" Mural outside the Vampire Citadel is pretty much the same corpse they reanimate...

Omni.. the revenant you speak of took possession of Moebius's Vampire Hunter (the dude who likes playing with fire) and was able to mutate or manifest it's true self as the binding grew weaker. (atleast through every game i've played)

note: a fully possessed revenant appeared mabye 3 or 4 times through out the whole game.. Vorador's Mansion (room with the pictures of the "fine young lady") when Raziel was returning with the heart.. The hunter there always transform to a fully possessed hylden.. and I spotted one in the Citadel in the corridor by the gate on the way to the bottom after speaking to Janos (usually that one gets stuck behind those little gated areas in the corridor which is funny cause he cant get out to touch me). Also, any females chained to a wall are potential "fully" possessed revenants.

I would say that this could be what "one" of their deformed images in the DD might be with the slight similarities.. as far as I know I dont think demons are doing any possession of their own so the hylden is probably the better guess.

[kakarot]

for the record, i still say them are WINGS and not just "pointy" things on the back of them hylden..

peep the redeemer/destroyer image - they're both locked in combat as "equal" adversaries..

I think the hylden may have had an ancient unique race of their own during the war era. IMO, The ancients didnt just ban them for their "ALLEGED" immortality they may have done it out of respect, fear, etc...

also,

the reanimated hylden corpse (i.e. the golden armored dudes) have temporary flight ability similar to what looks like "high jumping" to me in defiance. this is also noted in the book.. In Vorador's mansion they are able to leap directly to the top of the pillars located in the back by Janos hidden body.


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[DJpick]

how would a non winged creature be the equal of a winged creater who could flee at any given moment? or elude you in combat with the aid of flight
Good question! Maybe we could ask Raziel how he beat HL in Janos' body?

Or how David beat Goliath?

You don't have to be the same person, to be "equal" in abttle.

And at what point did "the hylden are immortal" become canon?

[kakarot]

Originally posted by DJpick
how would a non winged creature be the equal of a winged creater who could flee at any given moment? or elude you in combat with the aid of flight
Good question! Maybe we could ask Raziel how he beat HL in Janos' body?

i'll send him an e-mail.. at the same time i'll ask him how it felt to be beat by HL a few seconds later..