Thief Movie

[york807]

So, is it just me or dose any one else think a movie should be made of the Thief series. After all Tomb Raider made it big and Lara Croft dosn't even come close to measuring up to Garrett

[Brother Sledge]

I believe it would be a superb idea. In fact, I heard on another board, that a thief movie was being considered. Of course, this may be untrue. However, Dark Project could make an excellent film I say.

[van_HellSing PL]

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthr...threadid=33794

[york807]

Thanks Van_hellsing I didn't know some one already had the idea. But now I know I'm not the only one that wants to see Garrett make it on the big screen

[Peter Smith]

Welcome, york. Are you really the 807th york? I don't remember the other 806.

Yes, the subject of a Theif movie has been raised many times in different forums. Great minds think alike, eh?

[york807]

Thanks for agreeing with me Peter Smith. And just to let you know, I'm a police Officer so the 807 is my badge number

[van_HellSing PL]

Hmm, a thieving police officer, that's downright weird

[Scorpion12]

Can't trust anyone, can you? That, or he's a bluecoat working undercover to route out all us honest taffers to toss into Shoalsgate. (pauses) Grab him and tie him up! I'll just get some nice hot pokers to loosen his tongue with...hehhehheh...(EG)

[Mr Twinkle]

It could be okay, but I think some of the distinct 'thief' mood is lost when it isn't you doing the sneaking, your just watching it on the screen.

[Mike Fang]

True. And let's also not forget Hollywood's tendency to take long-beloved series, be it book, game, or tv show, and making a movie that couldn't hold a candle to the original.

Take the movie "Super Mario Bros." Boy, THERE was a let down! Dennis Hopper must've been hard up for a gig, which is hard to believe for an actor of his talent. Oh, and don't forget "The House Of The Dead". Man, that wasn't really a movie, it was a movie crew just having fun with special effects.

It would be interresting, though. I wonder if they would have voice-overs like in the pre-mission intros. Come to think of it, I wonder if they'd have Stephen Russell play Garret! If he didn't measure up to how everybody's favorite reluctant hero is built, maybe they'll do a 3d computer animated movie so they could keep him as the voice.

[Whatz His Name]

I'll be the "black sheep" of this family and say that I don't think it will be a good movie. For starters, why do the majority of the fans like Thief? I think it's the thrill of almost being caught. I don't think many people who are not fans of Thief will find watching a movie about a guy spending 20 to 45 minutes figuring out how to get around a guarded position without being seen or heard. Okay, take out that part of the game from the movie. You will then have the overall story lines of the Thief games. A thief who has to make it past a lot of people who want to hurt him so he can save the world. Hmmmmm, change the thief to a big breasted woman and you would have the last Tomb Raider movie.

I think you will either end up with a movie that the public ignores or a movie that the Thief fans would hate.

[grafixmonkey]

I think it could actually be done well. The beauty of film is you don't have to show everything, you can imply it and set it up to give the full effect without having to go into every detail. We've got modern espoinage movies that end up really great. A "Medieval times" espionage movie with some magic and mythology thrown in might be really awesome. Just think of the humor you could get if he pulled out some Frogbeast Eggs to clear out a room, and then dropped from the ceiling?

[Nevar II]

What makes ME think what game, book, etc would make a good movie, is the story. Tomb Raider really didn't seem to really have that much of an original story line. I mean it was original... just not enough to make a movie out of. But hey, like Whatzizname said, stick a chick with big torpedoes into ANY movie, and you have an instant hit. Well okay I'm maybe exaggerating a bit, but my point is, is that Thief has a VERY original storyline. Not even story line... universe. In the thief "Universe", both mechanical and magic coexist uneasily, blah blah. That alone, I have never even HEARD of in any other books or movies. Of course it doesn't stop there. The idea of the keepers, the pagans, all the nightmarish creatures, mechanical 'bots' made completely possible only with the help of magic - it's all different and unheard of outside of thief.

So while Tomb Raider had the story, it didn't have the universe. Because TR's universe was the *real world*, which we know all too well.... hence, *boooringgg*. Splinter Cell would be different, because we have YET to see a REAL stealth-spy movie. James Bond is not a spy. James Bond is a soldier who always ends up in huge shoot-outs, and creating big explosions. Not at all stealthy. Splinter Cell is probably as close a guess as you'd get to what a 'real' spy is like... ANYWAYS, BACK ON TOPIC

Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings - the respective creators of each first made a universe from which their story would flow. Thief, is a wonderful and detailed, yet at the same time unexplored universe, which lays the basis for a good story, with which a movie would be written.

But as with all video game - movie transitions, the original writers, arists, etc MUST have a VERY large role in the production, otherwise we get bombshells like ... super mario bros. The transition always bears the changes that the filming companies want. Good intentions, but they obviously haven't played the original game. We want a MOVIE, of the GAME. Not a self-proclaimed 'new-and-improved' version. Otherwise, it's not a movie of our beloved game anymore... its a movie of a twist or take off of the game, thought up by some boob that may not have even played it.

Anyways... I'm done ranting. Sorry for typing so much.

[Guineapiggy]

Wait wait wait... Tomb Raider had a STORY?!

News to me...

[Nevar II]

Actually I've never played the game... and I've only watched the second movie... so maybe I shouldn't be judging so quickly.

[Whatz His Name]

Originally posted by Nevar II
In the thief "Universe", both mechanical and magic coexist uneasily, blah blah. That alone, I have never even HEARD of in any other books or movies.

Star Wars meets that discription. The "Force" could be considered magic. Even in the first Star Wars, Luke Skywalker referred to Ben Kenobi as an "old wizard that lives out in the wasteland".

So tell me, do you think Thief has a strong fan base because of the story or the gameplay? Personally, I think it's the gameplay. Since a movie about sneaking around in the dark looking for a way around guards, stealing loot, and occasionally running for your life would be boring, I don't think it would be a block buster. Remove all the gameplay elements from the movie and all you'll end up with is another Tomb Raider "save the world" type movie that has a cooler main character.

The next time you play Thief, imagine setting in a room watching your game and you have no control. Do you think it would still be interesting?

[van_HellSing PL]

The thing about Thief is that it has both great gameplay and a great setting.

Your problem Whatz is that you can only imagine a Thief movie through the lens of thief gameplay. Try to think more about the cutscenes instead.

[Nevar II]

I'm with Hellsing. It has both elements in great supply. And the cutscenes are closer to a movie than actually gameplay. And my personal fanbase, is actually the story. I believe it's well crafted and logical. I would not play the game if it was simply a historical medieval setting. It needs these 'alternate history' storylines, much like Crimson Skies. It keeps its hold on reality, but doesn't drift away so much as to become something completely different like Lord of the Rings.

And as for star wars and the force likened to magic? One word: Midichlorians.

[clayman]

We've batted the idea of a Thief movie around since the beginning.....a good idea I think. Seems the most recommended Garrett has been Russell Crowe. I agree it would make a good movie as long as the "mission" story line made sense for a two hour movie.

[Nevar II]

... that brings me to another 'complaint'. Why do all these video game adaptations always have to carry their OWN storyline?? Why cant a movie not only emulate the characters from the game, but the story as well. Soooo instead of creating a new story for a Thief movie, why not just make a movie of The Dark Project? That type of thing.

[Scorpion12]

... that brings me to another 'complaint'. Why do all these video game adaptations always have to carry their OWN storyline?? Why cant a movie not only emulate the characters from the game, but the story as well. Soooo instead of creating a new story for a Thief movie, why not just make a movie of The Dark Project? That type of thing.

An interesting thought. The simple answer there is, most fans of the genre already know the story/ies of the games, and want something they haven't already seen/played before. But still, it would be interesting to see Constatine/the Trickster and Victoria brought to full life, ala the cutscenes, as that would be how a film of Thief would be done.

[Whatz His Name]

Originally posted by van_HellSing PL
Your problem Whatz is that you can only imagine a Thief movie through the lens of thief gameplay. Try to think more about the cutscenes instead.

Yes, I am looking at it through the lens of gameplay. That's what makes Thief a great game. The fans didn't buy the game for the cutscenes, they bought it for the gameplay. In my opinion, removing the gameplay elements would still leave a good story. But why would the movie be called Thief? Because the movie is based in the Thief game world or because the hero has a side job of robbing people?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[van_HellSing PL]

The fans didn't buy the game for the cutscenes, they bought it for the gameplay.

I for one will buy TDS even if it sucks in terms of gameplay. For the cutscenes.

I agree to disagree .

[Nevar II]

Look at me for instance. I suck at RTS's. I mean really suck. And actually I dont find them incredibly fun, as they seem to get boring quickly. But what did I do? I went and bought Starcraft. For, yes, the cutscenes. The story too was good, but yesss cutscenes...

I'll disagree to ag- ... I mean I'll agree to ag-... Whatever Hellsing said at the end of his post, ditto.

[Zaccheus]

I think it's a nice idea if done properly but I fear it would most likely end up as a teen targetted cheap cheesy 'superhero' movie.