GSI says DX:IW GOTY Nominee

[g3rmz]

Is anyone else annoyed by this?

http://www.gamespy.com/goty2003/pc/index6.shtml

[corwin]

http://pc.ign.com/articles/446/446267p1.html?fromint=1

[lordkor]

More cumbersome aspects like ammo and skills???? WTF is wrong with all these stupid morons who write these reviews?!?!? They have no clue wtf they are even saying, they probably are reading something off a memo from Ion Storm. DEIW is one of the worst games of the year. You know what, I'm going to finish my review on this game and post it, then maybe these clowns will learn how to write reviews. They are just trying to hype this game up to make sales for the companies that's all. It could be the worst game ever made with Atari 2600 graphics and they'd still call it one of the best.

[avonnied]

ahh i'm glad for freespeach ;-)

i personally think it is definately up there for GOTY..

i don't think there is a game that has come out this year that i have enjoyed more (X2 was a huge flop) and has had a more well done story line..

the only other game i would put up on hte list is Max Payne 2.. but i can honestly say i enjoyed IW more.

although i will admit this year has been a bit lack luster for games. Not many games came out this year that really peaked my interest.

-edit-

i also wanted to add the Tron 2.0 was also a very good game this year, although the multiplayer kindof flopped for it. but single player was topo notch..

[Subs]

different gun types is so cumbersome. Lets just make it one gun that shoots different stuff! YAH thats GOTY material.

[Salvage]

Originally posted by lordkor
WTF is wrong with all these stupid morons who write these reviews?!?!?

What they have is an open mind, the willingness to try something new, which they liked. Why are you acting like a 70 year old who's so set in his ways that change is impossible?

For the record, DX:IW is the best game(with the best graphics) I've played in a while(last game I played was DX). I have played most of the newer games, with the exception of the stolen Half Life 2 beta, with the highest settings.

The fact is I agree with the changes the devs made, they did make the game better as a whole. The patched interface is much better than the clunky DX1 interface. There are still a few issues I have regarding the customizabilty, but ini edits have worked so far.


I bet you didn't know that the DX games are story driven, and not number driven.

TTFN

[PhrozenHart]

Originally posted by lordkor
You know what, I'm going to finish my review on this game and post it,

You're taking the time to write a review for a game you apparantly have nothing better to do than flame. Ahh, the lengths we go to to show others how much we hate something, and how much *they* should hate it too since we say so. God bless democratic America.

[Breadman]

damnit I answered "no" because I was answering the "is anyone else annoyed by this" question. damn you and your trickery.

i am excited about it and think it should be a contender.

[donte diablo]

I think everyone here is forgetting that gamespy is not about gaming. They are publicators. They do not play games, they read other peoples articles and look at the pretty print ads. Then they call up the company of said game maybe deliver a draft then they wait. They eventually get what the game company WANTs published, publish said article and then wait for their check in the mail. Just like most publicators. Don't believe the hype kiddies, and dont expect to wake up one morning and have the hype be honest.

[homercles]

Originally posted by Subs
different gun types is so cumbersome. Lets just make it one gun that shoots different stuff! YAH thats GOTY material.

Not enough buttons on that xbox controller. For PC? Sure, but we all know that this game was not developed with PC in mind...oh well.

[homercles]

Originally posted by Salvage
What they have is an open mind, the willingness to try something new, which they liked. Why are you acting like a 70 year old who's so set in his ways that change is impossible?

For the record, DX:IW is the best game(with the best graphics) I've played in a while(last game I played was DX). I have played most of the newer games, with the exception of the stolen Half Life 2 beta, with the highest settings.

The fact is I agree with the changes the devs made, they did make the game better as a whole. The patched interface is much better than the clunky DX1 interface. There are still a few issues I have regarding the customizabilty, but ini edits have worked so far.


I bet you didn't know that the DX games are story driven, and not number driven.

TTFN

:haha: :haha:

Pure comedy genius, Salvage! You are one seriously funny d000d!

This is what really did it for me:

"For the record, DX:IW is the best game(with the best graphics) I've played in a while(last game I played was DX)."

ROFLMAO! :haha:

[thegrommit]

Originally posted by g3rmz
Is anyone else annoyed by this?

thread?

Yes

[lordkor]

Dude wake up will you? If you haven't played anything since DX then you yourself must be 70 years old. DEIW stinks hands down. Made the game better? Are you so simple that you think stripping a game by 80% is a good idea? You really must have like Pong for the Atari 2600 with that mentality.

Originally posted by Salvage
What they have is an open mind, the willingness to try something new, which they liked. Why are you acting like a 70 year old who's so set in his ways that change is impossible?

For the record, DX:IW is the best game(with the best graphics) I've played in a while(last game I played was DX). I have played most of the newer games, with the exception of the stolen Half Life 2 beta, with the highest settings.

The fact is I agree with the changes the devs made, they did make the game better as a whole. The patched interface is much better than the clunky DX1 interface. There are still a few issues I have regarding the customizabilty, but ini edits have worked so far.


I bet you didn't know that the DX games are story driven, and not number driven.

TTFN

[lordkor]

Yeah so what? I write reviews on a lot of games whether I like them or not and give an unbiased opinion since I'm a hardcore gamer. Not like these other publication clowns who write what they are told. And first off, I'm not flaming the stupid game. It just sucks and I'm pointing that out. Get with the program.

Originally posted by PhrozenHart
You're taking the time to write a review for a game you apparantly have nothing better to do than flame. Ahh, the lengths we go to to show others how much we hate something, and how much *they* should hate it too since we say so. God bless democratic America.

[Cerpin Taxt]

I find it interesting that everyone either vehemently hates the game or really loves it. I've only seen like, one or two people go "it's all right"... People either want it to win game of the year or burn in hell.

Like Salvage said, it's not all about how many different types of guns you can hold. Obviously, they didn't set out to make a solely FPS game, where shooting is the prime objective (e.g, like Call of Duty). This is more a book controlled by you, and the story is the priority. I can't believe a lot of you didn't realize this in DX1. For this series, it's always been about the story. Sure, they advertise the sneaking/killing/hacking methods, because that's what you all ***** about being in the game.

I'm not trying to say leave if you don't like the game - dissenting opinion is crucial to developing a game. But participate in the threads that are like, "What should we change for DX3?" not these crappy "WTF DX2 IS GOTY? LIKE HELL! IT SUX!" because you aren't going to change IGN's or Gamespot's opinions. Get over the fact some people like it and want to give it awards.

p.s: posting rant threads for no other purpose but to say how bad the game is and doesn't deserve awards does qualify as flaming.

[avonnied]

I like them or not and give an unbiased

even thos reviewers that have an unbiased outlook also point out what is good about the game.. so far all you've tended to do is point out what is bad..

what do you find good about the game in your unbiased opinion?

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by avonnied
even thos reviewers that have an unbiased outlook also point out what is good about the game.. so far all you've tended to do is point out what is bad..

what do you find good about the game in your unbiased opinion?

why do you bother? I doubt they LIKE anything about it. maybe the music.

[El Padrino]

Originally posted by lordkor
Yeah so what? I write reviews on a lot of games whether I like them or not and give an unbiased opinion since I'm a hardcore gamer. Not like these other publication clowns who write what they are told. And first off, I'm not flaming the stupid game. It just sucks and I'm pointing that out. Get with the program.

Please, I would really, really love to know how you've managed to uncover this conspiracy at Gamespy, and reveal their lack of journalistic integrity. Is it your ability to read minds? Or does being a "hardcore gamer" also bring with it the power to know everything that goes on at the Gamespy offices (along with granting you the ability to "give an unbiased opinion").

So where do these reviews you write end up?

[K^2]

It is not a bad game. I enjoyed it. But it is certainly not GOTY material.

[A_Paradigm_Shifted]

I am really enjoying Deus Ex 2 alot. Its obvious that alot of hard work and effort went into creating this game. This is a game of high quality, without question. Is it THE game of the year? It dosent really matter who decides or who says its the game of the year, these things are ultimately a matter of personal preference. Its certainly clear that Deus Ex 2 deserves to be considered for game of the year because it is without a doubt one of the best games released for the PC this year.

You may prefer one game over another but there is no denying the work and effort put into a game. That is why Call of Duty, Knights of the Old Republic, Max Payne 2, Tron 2.0, and Deus Ex 2 all deserve consideration for any game of the year award. They are all fine games of high quality. Some would argue that games like Prince of Persia 2, Hidden and Dangerous 2, XIII, and Broken Sword 3 also deserve consideration for game of the year. No matter your preference, one thing is common among all of those games - they are games of high quality, and the hard work and effort to create them are evident within the game.

[K^2]

Work and effort are not the only things that make a game great. There is also a need for some deeper thinking, and other then maybe the story line, there wasn't enough of it in DX2. Most notably what seems as an unoptimised graphics engine and uncalibrated physics engine. While in ideal conditions these things would not hurt gameplay by much, for most people, espetialy these with lower end machines, it does. And even if everything else was perfect, which it wasn't, that is the kind of thing that turn a GOTY into another "good game" that you play through once or twice and then forget. There are many games out there that do not have flashy graphics or such twisted plot, at the same time being much better candidates for GOTY.

Edit: Making DX2 a GOTY would also encourage developers to release games that are somewhat unfinished, or even just feel unfinished. That cannot be allowed.

[Random]

DX:IW shouldn't get a GOTY award because of bad performance? I guess DX1 didn't deserve those 35 GOTY awards it received either, then.

[K^2]

I am not certain of the causes of poor performance DX on the machines of the time since I only ran it on the same set up as I use now to run DX: IW. However, I know for certain that the cause of it in the DX: IW wasn't the fact that IS tried to push the machines to the limit. The machines can do more as long as the engine was better optimised. For example, there is nearly no reason to run Pixel Shader on the objects that are further than 3 player hights away. Same equations applied on the per vertex base would have given similar results and require far less power. Yes, the shadows would look a bit blocky at a distance, but do we care? It is certainly not a reason not to consider it as an option. Also judging by the way that the game performs in some small spaces, the map is also left unoptimised. It seems that doors do not prevent the engine from passing objects behind them to be fully rendered. I might be wrong here, but it feels almost as if everything great from bsp was forgoten. Next up, the physics engine. It is not finished. There is potential in it. The objects colide very nicely, but it is not calibrated. A slight tap might cause an object to fly away. Apparently "Conservation of Momentum" is an alien term to IS. I could probably think of more if it wasn't 7 in the morning. But these two things alone show how rushed that game was and make IW unacceptable for the GOTY.

[Cerpin Taxt]

I only noticed really major framerate issues... umm... in one of the last places of the game.

inside JC's Helios building, in Antarctica

I can't think of places I had any other major issues ... but K^2, you do make fair points about the engine. It does seem somewhat sloppily created. Not everyone can be John Carmack, I guess.

[Salvage]

Originally posted by homercles
This is what really did it for me:

"For the record, DX:IW is the best game(with the best graphics) I've played in a while(last game I played was DX)."

Originally posted by lordkor
Dude wake up will you? If you haven't played anything since DX then you yourself must be 70 years old. DEIW stinks hands down. Made the game better? Are you so simple that you think stripping a game by 80% is a good idea?

Everything I wrote was true. Just because you can't play at 1024 with all settings high with a good frame rate doesn't mean I can't.

I replayed DX last. I play UT2k3 at 1024x768 with "Holy " graphics, Jedi Academy, XIII, SOF2, etc. with similar graphical settings.

Fact is that you would be complaining anyway if the game was the same as the first but with upgraded graphics. You'd be saying something like "OMG can't IS innovate?!?!?!1? This is just DX1 with upgraded graphics. Don't buy this crap cuz it'll promote game companies just releasing the same garbage over and over". Well guess what, IS innovated, they improved on the original.

I don't see where you're getting that 80% has been stripped from the game. The only things it's missing from the first game is the skill system, the RPG inventory, swimming water(which I really didn't notice was missing), and multiple ammo types. It has every weapon type(in one form or another) plus at least one more than the first game. There are some very nice, new weapon mods.

The game is shorter than the first. It took me about 12 hours to finish it, not including reloads/retrials which was probably 3 hours more there. I'm going to replay it at least one more time(probably more) to get the ending that I couldn't get before. Lets say that will take me 8 hours, so there's 23 hours just to get all the endings.