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Old 11-20-2003, 01:45 PM
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Retrospective Legacy of Kain Timeline in Light of Defiance

Original Unaltered Timeline – King William devastates Nosgoth as the Nemesis. Vorador lives, as do the human looking vampires. Kain still refuses the sacrifice at the Pillars. Raziel is thrown into the Abyss, and returns killing his brethren one by one. Raziel kills the Priestess, gaining an ability to posses bodies from her; Turel disappears mysteriously (Sent back in time by Azimuth by way of a time streaming device.), Raziel visits Moebius Chronoplast Chamber early even before Kain gets there, he then sees the visions of the future of the time portals, (As Kain said: “I expected you’d be here sooner.") and then stops Kain from using the device. Raziel reaves Ariel’s soul and his wraith-blade is imbued with a yellow elemental Reaver and then goes to Kain’s Mountain Retreat. Raziel defeats Kain, but is unable to kill him as he escapes at the last moment. Raziel somehow acquires a dark red elemental Reaver. Kain uses Moebius Chronoplast Chamber and goes back in time; Raziel follows. Raziel kills Kain in the past at the Sarafan Stronghold. He discovers Janos, and kills his past Sarafan brothers and himself. Raziel is then imprisoned in the Blood Reaver. The wraith-blade form on his right hand becomes an Archon due to the Elder ("I knew now what fate awaited me.") Vorador still survives, as do the human looking vampires.

New Timeline – First Paradox occurs, Kain goes back in time and kills William the Just, 50 years before Blood Omen 1 because of Moebius. Small change in history occurs. Vorador and all the human vampires die. Much still happens the same, but this time around Kain hesitates for a few moments whether to throw Raziel into the Abyss, thus altering Raziel’s fate. This time around because of Kain’s previous time traveling in Blood Omen 1, Kain uses Moebius Chronoplast Chamber several times, seeing the different times of Nosgoth, and uncovering some of the events that happened in the last timeline. The events depicted in Soul Reaver 1 occur. Raziel witnesses the portals of time, which show him the future events of the previous timeline, but have now been altered. Traveling back in time Raziel refuses to kill Kain even though his future wraith-blade self attempts to force him, the second paradox occurs and then Kain prevents Raziel’s imprisonment within the Reaver. This is the third paradox or edge of the coin which gives Raziel back his free will.

Second New Timeline – Legacy of Kain Defiance occurs, as does Blood Omen 2 as a result of Raziel’s free will exerted over that of the Wheel of Fate (The Elder God.). This leaves the older Kain restored by the Spirit wraith blade, which becomes a part of his soul, and Raziel becomes the Soul Reaver. Kain then continues on his quest to restore balance to Nosgoth.

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Old 11-20-2003, 03:03 PM
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Old 11-20-2003, 04:39 PM
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You should really play the game before commenting on the story that way. The Elder never had anything to do with the pillars collapse. BO2 does happen and at least Janos being alive there is fully explained. The Elder is ever-present and probably unkillable. The Hylden also do not like EG by the way.

Although I would like to see the Seer again.

Vorador has never escaped his execution in BO1. Why can't people get that through their heads? He died there, and his return remains unexplained thus far.
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Old 11-20-2003, 05:02 PM
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I am actualy in the process of up dating my timeline with the new LoK: D materal but there is a lot to change. I still want to know how Vorador is a live in BO2.
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Old 11-22-2003, 10:46 AM
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Here it is:

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Old 11-22-2003, 12:22 PM
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You did a real good timeline there, TheElderGodofNosgoth. You missed a few details, but you mentioned everything that happens in the LOK series. Right after reading your timeline, I noticed that Defiance ends right after Blood Omen 1 ended, just when the young Kain's legacy first began. The actions of the younger Kain have brought the older Kain full circle to his past, what an irony.
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Old 11-22-2003, 03:11 PM
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The point was to not include every incounter that Kain or Raziel had in the LoK series but rather to track there movements and also the Reaver and its travels through time.

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Old 11-23-2003, 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by TheElderGodofNosgoth
The point was to not include every incounter that Kain or Raziel had in the LoK series but rather to track there movements and also the Reaver and its travels through time.

What I'm wondering about...


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Old 11-23-2003, 08:34 PM
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Check out the cutscene in Defiance once more.

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Old 11-24-2003, 02:14 PM
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That actually makes a great deal of sence.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:50 PM
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Default Reasons Why BO2 can fit in the orignal timeline not the post-SR2 timeline

(First off let me note that to clear up the confusion i will name the two different Kain's Def-Kain (altered timeline) and Kain

Although BO2 looks like it can only fit in the post-SR2 timeline, it would still have its inconsitancies with the rest of the game.

First the the Soul Reaver.



that means that time would alter and William the Just would not have the Soul Reaver and Def-Kain wouldn't have it because Moebius wouldn't have had the Soul Reaver. So that means the Kain in BO2 would have to be the same Kain as in BO, SR, etc.

Another thing Janos Audren had scars on his chest that looked like his chest had been sewn.

that means that the Hylden had to have gotten Janos Audren's body another way BO2.

Also, In SR there are no Hylden, even though Nosgoth is about to be destroyed. The pillars soul purpose was to keep the Hylden out. When the pillars are destroyed the Hylden would Return. But in SR there are no single sign of Hylden. That would mean that the gate would have been destroyed and the hylden destroyed also.

Another thing in Def

So the way they came out was defferent in both games.

DefKain didn't kill William (because william is already dead) also he did not fight with Ottmar. that means on the manual of BO2 saying it takes place 400 years after Blood Omen, would be wrong, seeing how many things that happened in Blood Omen would not happen if it took place in Defiance altered timeline.

Soul Reaver can't happen anymore because Kain has the origianal Soul Reaver--that means that Raziel would never have the wraith Blade. The BO2 manual says that BO2 takes place a 1000 years before Soul Reaver.

Also the bonus material that you get after you beat the game has "events of Blood Omen 2" following the Blood Omen---if BO2 is an alternate timeline then it would be in a broken section not in the same line as BO and SR.

Also, This is probably the strongest evidence of why BO2 doesn't take place in a post-SR2.


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Old 12-05-2003, 05:07 AM
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I agree with you. I always tough that Bo2 had always happened.
In fact they began working on Bo2 before Sr2 but it took longer to be realeased. I think that their inital intent was to make a sequel for Bo1. But the problem with Bo2 is that it was made by a differnt team. So in Defiance Amy had to cover some of the plot holes left in Bo2 and made it so that Bo2 is now on an altered timeline.

Well that`s what I think....
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:28 PM
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Hi dudes,

I have a really big nooby question for those who really know crap about de LOK series.When do the events in BO2 happen? After Defiance or after BO1?
I didn't manage to clear this thing out 'til now.I say BO2 is the future of Defiance cause after the Hylder Lord possesed Janos he locked him up to feed the Device which we discover in BO2 so this seems a reasonable explanation that BO2 is AFTER DEFIANCE AND NOT AFTER BO1, well of course there is the unexplained appereance of Vorador in BO2 which I hope it will be cleared in the next LOK game.There are other arguments as well but I just need some of your opinions about this.C ya all!

PS.I implore the moderators not to close this topic at least for a couple of days if there's still some other topic on this issue.

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Old 10-15-2004, 10:54 PM
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Technically, BO2 occurs after both of them since most of Defiance takes place during BO. However, Defiance and BO2 occur in an altered timeline different to the one BO occurs in; in this respect BO2 occurs after Defiance.

Hope this helps.
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:35 AM
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Defiance happens during the end of the BO1 era. The Pillars toppling are the end of BO1. Soon after Defiance (but not yet) beggins the BO2 era.
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Old 10-18-2004, 04:43 PM
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well as far as i recall lokd justifies the strange events of bo2. we should just accept the altered timelines as though they occured anyway since time is basically immutable. If you look at time as though it is a net or simular object rather than a series of events...then it makes more sense

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