Names in DX1

[Koif]

I've just done a brief bit of digging from dictionary.com and found the following moderately interesting:

Daedalus: A renowned craftsman, sculptor, and inventor and builder of the Labyrinth. He fashioned the wings with which he and his son Icarus escaped from Crete after their imprisonment by Minos.

Icarus: The son of Daedalus who, in escaping from Crete on artificial wings made for him by his father, flew so close to the sun that the wax with which his wings were fastened melted, and he fell into the Aegean Sea.

Helios: The sun god, son of Hyperion, depicted as driving his chariot across the sky from east to west daily.

Paul (denton) - Apostle to the Gentiles whose life and teachings are set forth in his epistles and the Acts of the Apostles

Joseph (manderley) - Father of christ?

JC (denton) - Christ figure?

I wont bother drawing the obvious connections here but I do find it interesting as I wasnt aware of the connection between icarus and daedalus before looking it up.

Also is the word hyperion used in DX for something or is it just my imagination?

[Random]

Moving to DX1.

They were actually going to include a storyline in DX1 about JC having some of Jesus' DNA. Apparently there's a conspiracy theory that Jesus had kids. So, yeah, it certainly seems like JC is intended as a Christ figure and his initials were chosen deliberately.

[BornIn1142]

Well, the way I see it, JC could mean two things.
Just a Codename, or Jesus Christ.

"Jesus Christ, JC!" - Pau Denton.

[gareis]

Walton Simons: Simon was the first Christian martyr and also the first conspirator you must kill (Navarre and Gunther are participants, but only as much as the MIBs).

Not sure if I can find any references to fit Bob Page or Howard Strong--but note that a page is an errand boy, so perhaps Bob Page was under the control of a larger organization.

Alex Jacobson? Jacob of the Bible, perhaps? Also note the book Jacob's Shadow in the game.

Jaime Reyes: Reyes means 'Kings', which is probably a reference to the Illuminati.

As for Jock (was his real name Brian Flannigan?), Beth DuClare, Morgan Everett, Toby Atanwe, and Stanton Dowd, I have no idea.

[TomSurman]

What about the most obvious biblical connection? "Deus Ex Machina" = "God From the Machine"

[Le`Sauveur`De`Ces`Dames]

errr there is absolutely NOTHING biblical in "god from machine". as it has been said numerous time on this forum, it refers to greek and latin theater, where at the end of a play, a character playing a god would be lowered on the scene to solve the problems of the characters.

[daff]

Ambrosia ('antidote' for the Gray Death) is greek for the food of gods.

Also, haven't finished the game yet, but I wasn't aware that "Deus ex machina" is applicable. As is likely already known, the title translates to "Of God", and has more remarkable biblical connotations than the former.

I hadn't considerred the JC - Jesus Christ link, or the Paul and Joseph one, but there are likely many more.

Love a good conspiracy theory.


EDIT: A thought (Spoilers). One might think of Daedalus as a 'machine of god', particularly when it helps JC escape from his cell, where he would otherwise have died. At any rate, a conversation with a certain AI in Paris suggests that surveillance programs will provide the future mechanisms of God.

[K^2]

Deus Ex literaly translates from Latin as "By the reason of God", or basicaly "By God's will".

[Le`Sauveur`De`Ces`Dames]

Originally posted by daff
At any rate, a conversation with a certain AI in Paris suggests that surveillance programs will provide the future mechanisms of God.

in fact, I think God is just what remains from an ancient AI created by aliens a looong time ago.

since nobody's left to maintain the software and hardware, it's no wonder there are some problems in the world

[daff]

Originally posted by Le`Sauveur`De`Ces`Dames
in fact, I think God is just what remains from an ancient AI created by aliens a looong time ago.

since nobody's left to maintain the software and hardware, it's no wonder there are some problems in the world

This is a worry.

[Infinite X77]

Originally posted by Random
They were actually going to include a storyline in DX1 about JC having some of Jesus' DNA. Apparently there's a conspiracy theory that Jesus had kids. So, yeah, it certainly seems like JC is intended as a Christ figure and his initials were chosen deliberately.

Thanks for this info Random. To be honest I never knew this before. One thing though, how do you mean "They were actually going to include a storyline in DX1 about JC having some of Jesus' DNA." Why did they choose not to go ahead with this? I think that it would of been an interesting addition to the game. Do you have any idea?

Thanks.

[DarknessFalls]

Just stumbled upon this article talking about an old Commodore 64 game called "Deus Ex Machina" in zzap!64 magazine and thought I'd post it here, as a curiosity point more than anything else. http://www.zzap64.co.uk/cgi-bin/disp...&magazine=zzap

I did a forum search here for Deus Ex Machina, and this thread is all that popped up. So I figured I'd put this post here.

[Grox]

Originally Posted by Infinite X77

Why did they choose not to go ahead with this? I think that it would of been an interesting addition to the game. Do you have any idea?

My theory is that it wouldn't have affected the game very much, except to have an extra ending, where JC creates some kind of theocracy centered on himself. If the designers originally had more than 3 endings planned, and decided to cut some of them, this would be why it didn't make it.

The problem with extra endings wouldn't have been writing the endings themselves --- it would have been providing an extra character with the depth and exposure of Tong, Everett or the AI to goad JC in that direction, which would mean the addition of new scenes --- and very likely, the significant expansion and complication of earlier scenes, to put in the character urging JC to take this route: a reclusive Vatican historian, or the lone-wolf archaeologist, or "mad monk".

Giving this new portion of the story its due probably would have required a whole new level. Maybe an extra level, between the DuClare mansion and the Cathedral, where you go deeper into catacombs and go by some Indiana-Jones style traps, find a DNA lab, maybe some religious fanatics babbling that you've come to fulfill the prophecy, etc.

It may have well been interesting, but it would have necessitating a LOT of extra material. Since we already knew the devs cut significant material (moon base, etc.), they probably didn't think they needed any new stuff.

[Grox]

Originally Posted by gareis

Walton Simons: Simon was the first Christian martyr and also the first conspirator you must kill (Navarre and Gunther are participants, but only as much as the MIBs).

The first Christian martyr was Stephen. I think that's why he's given the day after Christmas for a saint's day, or something.

Although that might be a case like some of the apostles, who have different names according to which gospel you look at. Maybe the same guy is "Simon" in some sources and "Stephen" in others. Any Biblical scholars out there who could help us out? I'm a little too lazy to look it up myself . . .