Three Years - One Question.

[dda]

Originally Posted by Viktoria

Yes, I do mean EM.
Why? Because I want to.
I praise them because they have taken on the franchise... and I'm grateful to them for that.

I would have said the same thing 2 years ago.

Originally Posted by dda

By the Builders do you mean EM? If so why? They haven't revealed anything praise worthy re T4.

Kyle, what is the reason for the prolonged silence? The 7 job vacancies for T4 on the EM site suggest problems (at least to me anywayz). Is the project in trouble? What happened to Paul? Crysis 3 was announced today with what appears to be a screen shot and some info for a 2013 release. Why can't we get we get even basic info about the game?

Quoting (and adding to/editing) myself: Crysis 3 has had 5 screenshots released.

I'm amazed that EM didn't reveal the titles of their 3rd - 5th projects then black them out for X number of years like T4! Why have T4 fans been left blowing in the breeze with nothing for so long?

[fbdbh]

Originally Posted by Coyotegrey

As always, we appreciate your continued interest, but information regarding the latest Thief title will be released at a later date.

Thank you.

But why (and when)? These questions are not related to "the latest Thief title", but to the reason behind the silence. The most vague hint would be great. Some kind of justification or explanation regarding the silence. This would be more than enough without giving anything away about T4.

[contrarian]

Prophecy fulfilled...and ahead of schedule.

As I prophesied:

EM would acknowledge our uniting as a community.....check.
No high ranking official response as to any development stage...check.
A token response, ie, what coyotegrey said......check.

I'm not going to say, "I told you so." Oops, I guess I just did.

[Viktoria]

Originally Posted by BigBoss

Like may 11th? I have imaginary money riding on this with Viktoria.

Wha? Wait... I never agree to any wager.

[Coyotegrey]

Originally Posted by dda

Quoting (and adding to/editing) myself: Crysis 3 has had 5 screenshots released.

I'm amazed that EM didn't reveal the titles of their 3rd - 5th projects then black them out for X number of years like T4! Why have T4 fans been left blowing in the breeze with nothing for so long?

As I've said many times, I understand your frustrations (I crave info regarding media as much as any of you here), but when we jump head first into the Thief campaign you'll receive alllllll kinds of content. A lot of smart, capable, and passionate people are involved on these projects, and decisions aren't just thrown out willy nilly with no understanding of cause or consequence. From the outside, things might seem a little crazy, but rest assured we're taking our time to give the Thief brand all the time and respect it deserves.

And I advise against comparing one campaign to another, especially when they're potentially at different stages. Do what you will, but it's just going to cause a headache for everyone on both sides of the discussion! I don't like headaches!

[Dragonknight]

@Coyotegrey:
"Willy nilly"? The company has had THREE YEARS. That's more than enough time to announce things to potential customers. The company might have passionate people, but smart? Not hardly.

"rest assured we're taking our time to give the Thief brand all the time and respect it deserves". Really? Maintaining silence for this long is showing disrespect for customers. Causing headaches? What about the frustration of EM staying silent for so long? Clearly the companies involved don't give a rat's rear end about frustrating the customers. A little more than half the people I know have given up on this game because of the lack of info. They have moved on and don't see EM as a company they can support.

[JFSOCC]

Originally Posted by Dragonknight

@Coyotegrey:
"Willy nilly"? The company has had THREE YEARS. That's more than enough time to announce things to potential customers. The company might have passionate people, but smart? Not hardly.

Yeah I'm with Dragonknight there. I don't think everyone agrees with you there. I actually think the silence maybe harming your potential sales.

[dda]

Originally Posted by Coyotegrey

As I've said many times, I understand your frustrations (I crave info regarding media as much as any of you here), but when we jump head first into the Thief campaign you'll receive alllllll kinds of content. A lot of smart, capable, and passionate people are involved on these projects, and decisions aren't just thrown out willy nilly with no understanding of cause or consequence. From the outside, things might seem a little crazy, but rest assured we're taking our time to give the Thief brand all the time and respect it deserves.

And I advise against comparing one campaign to another, especially when they're potentially at different stages. Do what you will, but it's just going to cause a headache for everyone on both sides of the discussion! I don't like headaches!

I don't like headaches either. Sure, comparing other project campaigns to T4 doesn't make a whole lot of sense but the mind wanders when contemplating the T4 vacuum.

From the outside it seems to be total lunacy!

Are we going to see news this year and if so when?

[Coyotegrey]

Originally Posted by dda

I don't like headaches either. Sure, comparing other project campaigns to T4 doesn't make a whole lot of sense but the mind wanders when contemplating the T4 vacuum.

From the outside it seems to be total lunacy!

Are we going to see news this year and if so when?

I can't say. Sorry.

[dda]

Originally Posted by Coyotegrey

I can't say. Sorry.

Oh man that both blows and sucks the big hairy one! Even Duke Nukem Forever had it's first trailer released in 1998 after the game was announced in 1997!

Is T4 (if it even exists etc etc) going to be the best thing since the invention of the atmosphere of this planet?

[Random]

Originally Posted by Coyotegrey

As always, we appreciate your continued interest, but information regarding the latest Thief title will be released at a later date.

I know it's not your call, and there's a grand marketing plan behind everything, but the idea behind this thread is a really good way to build community interest and involvement. It would be good if you were to pass on the idea at any rate (if you haven't already), even if it's shot down by the higher ups.

[Viktoria]

You guys agreed to ask the "one" question. Let's see what that is going to be first, right?

[Platinumoxicity]

Speaking of that Vik, I wonder how exactly we could vote on this?

[Viktoria]

Originally Posted by Platinumoxicity

Speaking of that Vik, I wonder how exactly we could vote on this?

Its up to you really but I would suggest we study the summary of questions and select the one's that are sensible and relevant to the majority of taffers. In other words, ignore all the one's that verge on the 'silly'.

Then you could simply create a poll and ask taffers to vote for their fave question of the bunch.
You should set a deadline date of, say, two weeks?

[JFSOCC]

that's an excellent suggestion.

[contrarian]

Sensible and relevant to the majority of taffers:

What percentage is Thief 4 complete?
Can it get anymore sensible and relevant than that? And that's not giving away anything about gameplay, trailers, release date, protagonist, plot.

It's leaps and bounds more valuable than "Rope arrows or not?"

[Viktoria]

Originally Posted by contrarian

Sensible and relevant to the majority of taffers:

What percentage is Thief 4 complete?
Can it get anymore sensible and relevant than that? And that's not giving away anything about gameplay, trailers, release date, protagonist, plot.

It's leaps and bounds more valuable than "Rope arrows or not?"

I agree with this statement as I believe EM are wise enough to return the rope/vine arrow to us.

We'll all have our chance to vote in the poll. May the best question win.

[suedezu]

Originally Posted by Coyotegrey

I can't say. Sorry.

Unbelievable lack of respect towards the Thief series fans! And this coming from a moderator!

After 3 years of development people have to start threads to decide on one question for the game developers? God forbid we should bother Eidos Montreal asking them when a product is released so we can SPEND OUR MONEY on it. Shame on us Thief fans for that!

Doesn't Eidos Montreal realize that all the Thief fans are first of all CUSTOMERS? Is this the way to treat a customer?

Personally I've had enough of this kind of attitude. I fell disrespected.

I won't buy Thief 4 regardless of how great it turns out to be. This will be my way of returning the "favor" to Eidos Montreal.

[Viktoria]

I don't see any lack of respect...

Kyle is not a moderator, he's Eidos Montreal's Community Manager.

Taffers here don't have to start such threads...someone chose to and, in response, others have chosen to participate. There is no obligation for anyone to reciprocate, of course.

[suedezu]

Originally Posted by Viktoria

I don't see any lack of respect...

Kyle is not a moderator, he's Eidos Montreal's Community Manager.

Taffers here don't have to start such threads...someone chose to and, in response, others have chosen to participate. There is no obligation for anyone to reciprocate, of course.

The fact that he's Eidos Montreal's Community Manager only makes it worse.

The lack of communication from Eidos Montreal regarding Thief 4 is, in my opinion, a lack of respect and a very bad marketing and PR strategy.

[Coyotegrey]

Originally Posted by contrarian

Sensible and relevant to the majority of taffers:
What percentage is Thief 4 complete?

I don't think there's a general consensus on how far along the game is, percentage-wise. Like most titles, it'll be done when it's done!

Canned answer, I know.

Originally Posted by suedezu

Unbelievable lack of respect towards the Thief series fans! And this coming from a moderator!

Doesn't Eidos Montreal realize that all the Thief fans are first of all CUSTOMERS? Is this the way to treat a customer?

We do realize this, that's why we're spending time carefully creating a quality title bearing the Thief name, something fans (on both sides) can cherish.

[Viktoria]

Originally Posted by suedezu

The fact that he's Eidos Montreal's Community Manager only makes it worse.

Not really... Kyle has to follow instructions/the plan. He's just relaying this information to us.. ie. that he can't say anything at the moment.

[suedezu]

Originally Posted by Viktoria

Not really... Kyle has to follow instructions/the plan. He's just relaying this information to us.

Don't you see that instead of giving some answers to the questions every Thief 4 fan is desperately asking (release date and other such questions) all we get from moderators and other Eidos representatives are these kind of sugar-coated, vague and annoying answers?

Eidos Montreal is behaving just like a lawyer who manages to answer all kind of questions without really saying anything.

[Viktoria]

Originally Posted by suedezu

... manages to answer all kind of questions without really saying anything.

But that's just it... nothing can be said at the moment. That's exactly what Kyle said.

Hey, by the way, I don't believe you when you say you won't buy T4 even if it turns out to be great, hehe..

[Platinumoxicity]

Originally Posted by Coyotegrey

I don't think there's a general consensus on how far along the game is, percentage-wise. Like most titles, it'll be done when it's done!

Canned answer, I know.

Even though it is a canned answer, I have to agree. Any percentage can mean anything. And it tells us basically nothing about what aspects of the game are completed at this stage of development.

We need to pick a question that addresses some core feature of the game, and an answer to a question regarding that would give us insight to which features are already implemented, even if we know nothing about the details.