GAME: who am I? - Page 20

**Xcom** · #**476** 02-17-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Driber

Also, I asked if the character is a mascot and the answer was no, which is false. Santa Clause is definitely a brand mascot for Coca Cola.

We discussed this in private and decided that Coca Cola ads and commercials are not enough to qualify him as a mascot. First, Coca Cola has other mascots. Second, Santa has a much bigger function unrelated to Coca Cola. And third, Santa himself prefers Pepsi.

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I bet you did that on purpose, huh

Of course.

**Driber** · #**477** 02-17-2012, 01:55 AM

^ You evil man!

I like it

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Originally Posted by Viktoria

Pagan.

Are you serious?

Santa Clause has nothing to do with any religion. His predecessors did have their roots in religion, but Santa Clause himself was created as a secular alternative to Sinterklaas, a Dutch gift bringer who was in turn derived from Saint Nicolas.

Santa Clause is so far removed from religion that I'm astounded you would think he is actually the main character of a religion

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Originally Posted by Viktoria

I wasn't too sure about this one so discussed it with Xcom. It was agreed between us that his appearance in CocaCola commercials didn't really qualify him as a true mascot and also that he wasn't created to ever be one in the first place.

Well, I didn't ask if he was created to be a mascot

I asked if he is a mascot, and I think he clearly is. During the holidays, you can't turn on your TV without seeing that Coca Cola Santa commercial

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Originally Posted by Xcom

We discussed this in private and decided that Coca Cola ads and commercials are not enough to qualify him as a mascot. First, Coca Cola has other mascots. Second, Santa has a much bigger function unrelated to Coca Cola. And third, Santa himself prefers Pepsi.

lol, again, I didn't ask if he is best known for being a mascot, but simply if he is one.

Coca Cola has used Santa to be one of their brand mascots for a long time now. I just happened to see a documentary about it on CNBC a few months ago.

Oh well, we'll just agree to disagree then

As for Santa preferring Pepsi, THAT is Pagan

....fun game this is, BTW. Sparks a lot of discussions

I think it was about time we had some activity in this forum

marsoa · #**478** 02-17-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Viktoria

Pagan.

To believe in Santa is not a philosophic nor social system (=religion), it only belongs to traditional culture. Besides, paganism has nothing to do with Christianity and its traditions.

**Xcom** · #**479** 02-17-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Driber

lol, again, I didn't ask if is he known for being a mascot, but simply if he is one.

That's a very subtle difference, Drib. If the answer had been yes, you would've logically assumed that he's also known as a mascot... and subsequently wasted a lot of time googling wrong things.

(Well, if not you, somebody else would have)...

**Viktoria** · #**480** 02-17-2012, 02:17 AM

Yes, I'm serious, guys. Many of today's Christmas celebrations (and other festivals) are absolutely rooted in pagan practices and Santa is no exception.

Santa is strongly associated with the birth of Jesus, ie. Christmas Day, no? So he isn't that far removed from religion in that sense. It can be agreed that his roots are in religion, and this is why I answered as I did.

I guess it boils down to what your definition of "religion" is. As far as I understand, religion = a belief system. That definitely includes Paganism.
Driber was the closest to guessing the person when he asked if it was Odin.

**Driber** · #**481** 02-17-2012, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Viktoria

Many of today's Christmas celebrations (and other festivals) are absolutely rooted in pagan practices and Santa is no exception.

Santa is strongly associated with the birth of Jesus, ie. Christmas Day, no?

I'm not arguing that today's xmas celebration has roots in religion.

Being (wrongly) associated with a religion is one thing; being "the main character OF" a religion is something completely different.

As I said, Santa Clause is secular. When he has been created by the early Dutch settlers in NY, he was modelled after Sinterklaas and all the religious parts (the traditional religious robe, staff and cross on his hat) were all purposely removed to make Santa Clause a "non religious holiday figure".

If anything, Santa Clause is a main character of Atheism.

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Originally Posted by Xcom

That's a very subtle difference, Drib. If the answer had been yes, you would've logically assumed that he's also known as a mascot... and subsequently wasted a lot of time googling wrong things.

(Well, if not you, somebody else would have)...

I agree with your last sentence

marsoa · #**482** 02-17-2012, 03:24 AM

In this type of game it is essential the answering person knows and checks the facts.
Otherwise it can create a big confusion. I know it can be tricky to be accurate with the answers, but that´s the only thing the contestants depend and count on...

**Viktoria** · #**483** 02-17-2012, 03:36 AM

That's the problem... not all the "facts" are out there and, as you say, sometimes it can be tricky to answer accurately. If I had been "God" it would be even trickier to answer, me thinks.

Driber, Santa was based on a main religious character if we consider his pagan roots (ie. as Odin), so that is why I answered that he was. If I was thinking purely from a Christian PoV, the answer would have been no, of course.

Anyway, if I answered wrongly then I apologise. I can't be perfect all the time.

**Driber** · #**484** 02-17-2012, 03:50 AM

Well, the rules in the OP state that you can answer with "YES", "NO", or "I DON'T KNOW". Perhaps if a question is too tricky to answer accurately, especially in these cases where personal opinions come into play, we should from now on play it safe and default to that last option, so to make it easier for all

**Viktoria** · #**485** 02-17-2012, 03:51 AM

Yes, okay. Think this is the best solution from now on.

**Driber** · #**486** 02-17-2012, 04:02 AM

Right, I've added the following points to the rules in the OP:

- If the person to be guessed is fictional, please do not consider him/her to be "alive".

- If a question is too tricky to answer accurately, please default to "I DON'T KNOW", so to avoid any confusion.

Now....where is TH so we can get on with this

**The Hylden** · #**487** 02-17-2012, 05:01 AM

lol, what the heck did I miss?

For the record, yes, a lot of Christians would see Santa Clause as representing Christianity. He's the face of Christmas, other than Jesus, and is both thought of as Kris Kringle and as Saint Nick (Saint Nicolas). Up On the House Top, the song, calls Santa, Saint Nick... Also, in the "origin" claymation cartoon that plays every year, Kringle that becomes Santa is very, very tied to the birth of Jesus and the North Star. Anyway, he is secular only by way of the companies that decide to use him to sell items and by way of what he's grown to become for those who aren't Christian and who still like to celebrate Christmas. And yes, when people want to ban Christmas because it's too religious, they want to ban him, too (we have a problem with people wanting things banned in this country (USA) for stupid reasons these days).

With that all said, I fully agree with the I Don't Know clause (lol, Clause! haha).

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Originally Posted by Xcom

Are you human?

Yes

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Originally Posted by marsoa

Are you a comic book character?

No

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Originally Posted by Driber

Are you Whitney Houston?

No

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Are you fictional?

No

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Originally Posted by TranceTrouble

are you male?

No

I think I addressed all questions. If I missed one, please let me know.

marsoa · #**488** 02-17-2012, 05:34 AM

Are you a scientist?

**TranceTrouble** · #**489** 02-17-2012, 06:30 AM

are you an actress?

**Driber** · #**490** 02-17-2012, 08:17 AM

Are you Amy Winehouse?

Are you in the entertainment industry?

**The Hylden** · #**491** 02-17-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by marsoa

Are you a scientist?

No

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Originally Posted by TranceTrouble

are you an actress?

No

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Originally Posted by Driber

Are you Amy Winehouse?

Are you in the entertainment industry?

No to both.

**Driber** · #**492** 02-17-2012, 10:01 AM

Are you lady Di?

Are you European?

**The Hylden** · #**493** 02-17-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Driber

Are you lady Di?

Are you European?

No and no.

marsoa · #**494** 02-17-2012, 10:25 AM

Are you a writer?

**Driber** · #**495** 02-17-2012, 10:25 AM

Are you American?

And by that I mean a citizen of the CONTINENT AMERICA

**The Hylden** · #**496** 02-17-2012, 10:29 AM

First of all, I'd like to stop a second, before I confuse anyone else

What definition do you mean by European? As in, what does that mean to you? (I hate having to redirect the question, but it apparently has a different meaning possible than what I think of it as).

**Driber** · #**497** 02-17-2012, 10:38 AM

This would be a good reference point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ries_in_Europe

The person having spent most of their life in one of those countries would make them European in my book.