Game ENDINGS - ALL discussion (BEWARE SPOILERS inside!)

[Pete278]

Originally Posted by Crash Override

Huh, I thought the post-credit ending made it explicit that the destruction of Panachaea was the canon ending. If not, what wreckage is Everrett digging through, and if it's merely the wreckage of Panachaea without its total destruction, why is he at liberty to do so if Darrow is alive? I don't see Darrow letting the Illuminati dig through his stuff.

It also made sense for Megan to work for Page Industries under that premise. "Where else could I go?" How about back to Sarif Industries? Unless Sarif is dead? There's nothing to suggest that Megan knows Page was involved with the biochip conspiracy, so she may have just legitimately sought employment at Page Industries since the leadership of Sarif and Tai Yong Medical both died.

I find the ending pretty depressing in that light; everyone dies and Megan goes and works for Bob Page, whom comes out of it smelling like roses.

There's nothing to really suggest Darrow has any real way to stop them. After all, I imagine Page or someone else has overwhelming proof Darrow caused the insanity. He'd probably rather let them dig through Panchaea than live the rest of his life in a prison cell, or be executed. Megan also might've gone there for similar reasons: if she goes back to Sarif, then they could blackmail her with (slightly altered in this case) evidence of her helping Darrow. The Illuminati does want to restrict the number of people who know their existence outside of the organization, after all.

[OGU]

Originally Posted by Random

Yeah Sarif's ending is more in the spirit of JC Denton's story.

Also the Sarifs ending is the most logical solution for this game.

I have chosen in DX1 and in Invisible War the Helios Ending. In DX1 at Helios Ending there was a quote "IF THERE WERE NO GOD, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO INVENT HIM" --VOLTAIRE.

In HR at Sarif's Ending it says "We can became the gods...".

I think, this is the way to the Helios.

Helios choice is a hard choise for a person to swallow. But this is the right decision, the power is so big to give it to the humans alone.

Afterall can a AI lie?

[Mizkreant]

Originally Posted by Danik0226

In the book that was released prior to the game, Jaron Namir has a wife and kids. I highly doubt Megan Reed is his wife, but it was never explicitly stated who is the wife of Jaron. Now that I think about it, I don't think this is possible at all unless Megan is really devoted to nothing but science. The timeline of the book is along side that of the game. Adam had a relationship with Megan for 6 months if I'm not mistaken leading up to the incident. Unless she has been leading a double life, I doubt this is a reality. Sarif also kept tight tabs on his employees as can be seen by the PI work prior to hiring Adam. If Sarif can find out that Adam is an orphan of White Helix labs, then he should be able to find out whether or not Megan was betraying him from the start. Weren't they also locked up in the lab for a significant portion of time at Sarif as well? The other option is that Jaron is cheating on his wife, and Megan started up a relationship with a fully augmented man within 6 months? It all seems kind of unlikely.

I wasn't implying that she had a relationship with Namir prior to the kidnapping, but in the months afterward. At the beginning of the game, Adam and Megan have been out of a relationship for some time. (Read the email from Megan's mother). I wasn't aware of the book's story, so I was just going on what was presented in-game. If they weren't having a relationship, why would Megan ask, "Jaron, is that you?" in such a smitten tone?

[Itkovian]

Originally Posted by OGU

Also the Sarifs ending is the most logical solution for this game.

I have chosen in DX1 and in Invisible War the Helios Ending. In DX1 at Helios Ending there was a quote "IF THERE WERE NO GOD, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO INVENT HIM" --VOLTAIRE.

In HR at Sarif's Ending it says "We can became the gods...".

I think, this is the way to the Helios.

Helios choice is a hard choise for a person to swallow. But this is the right decision, the power is so big to give it to the humans alone.

Afterall can a AI lie?

Taking this further, the entire Illuminati motivations in DX:HR ties directly to JC's ending in Invisible War. JC's goal is precisely what the Illuminati are afraid of in DX:HR, taken to the extreme: a world where everyone is beyond their control and form a true enlightened democracy where there are no elite few to direct events.

Itkovian

[Lundra]

Hey people, Just registered to add my 2 cents..

I was blown away by the game, Adam was an awesome character and the level of detail that went into the story was amazing, however therein lies some of the problem... I feel that the ability to choose an ending was pointless because we never experienced a concrete outcome from choosing one, just a speech from Adam.. For instance you should of been able to

reconcile with Megan, meet up with Pritchard, attend Maliks funeral or meet up with her again, Went back and got the truth from your "guardian angel" and things of the sort based on the gameplay choices you made.

However I did enjoy the endings, just there could of been so much more there.

[Brian175]

I think the better question is: Does Namir have a dick?

[Itkovian]

Well, leaving a lot of things hanging, or a tleas tup to our interpretations, is entirely in line with the original DX.

As for Megan, I think their reunion showed that any romance there is gone.

This certainly was not a traditional tale, and Jensen didn't find his lost love again, but rather came to realize that Megan had different priorities, ones that allowed her to rationalize things Adam cannot accept in order to keep working on her research.

In short, she's the sort of person who would end up working for the Illuminati, if they provided her with the proper incentive.

As for what happens next, well I think that no matter what option is chosen, there will be a large backlash against augmentations and many people will no doubt rush to have their augs removed (those who didn't get the new biochip, and those who survived anyway), resulting in the kind of world we see in Deus Ex: where mech augmentations are generally out of favour though still present in the world.

What your decision affects is the legal ramifications accompanying that: is aug research regulated? Are augs generally outlawed? Or do corporations like Sarif Industries continue to survive and go on with their research.

Here are my thoughts on waht happens next:

If you pick Sarif's ending, odds are Sarif Industries survives and its research continues, though it probably ends up having to downsize significantly due to the lesser demands (though, as we know, the military continues to enjoy augmentations). Overall the augmentation science keeps on going, but at a slower pace due to the backlash, though the backlash is not as bad as as it could be as the Humanity Front is blamed for the attack. Still, people will be wary of augmentations.

If you pick Taggart's, regulations are implemented and research limited, probably dooming Sarif Industries. Naturally the Illuminati continues their research, possibly using whatever ressources of Tai Yong Medical that survive the Panchaea debacle (I mean, it was THEIR biochip that caused people to go nuts, don't expect TYM to do well after that).

If you pick Darrows' ending, augmentations become quasi illegal for the time being, the Illuminati meanwhile go to ground. Sarif and TYM go belly up. Eventually those restrictions might be lessened.

As for the "kill everyone" ending, it's mostly like Darrow's ending, except the Illuminati don't even need to go to ground.

But there are a few things that happen no matter what, I think:

- The popularity of augmentations take a nosedive. After what happened there is no way people will be as accepting as augs. Augmentation Research might continue unabated or be regulated or made illegal, but regardless the consumer enthousiasm for augs will be severely reduced. Thus augmentations are something of a rarity in DX1. That's why DX1 isn't Ghost in the Shell, which is just about what would have happened if it hadn't been for Darrow's betrayal (except wiht most people being under the control of the Illuminati... assuming Jensen couldn't have exposed that on his own... who knows what would have happened had Darrow not done what he did).

- Regardless of the choice, the Illuminati's ploy to control augs is twarted, and Panchaea is probably no longer a viable installation. You destroyed Panchaea central computer and broadcast center, making the facility mostly useless for the Illuminati. I wouldn't be surprised if Panchaea is "scuttled" later on, regardless of your choice. Furthermore, there is NO WAY that the world's augmented people would retain their current TYM biochips. They'll ditch those ASAP, and probably cause TYM to go belly up in legal actions (The World vs Tai Yong Medical is probalby going to be a famous court case *Grin*)... though no doubt the Illuminati will salvage its research in secret (and get Megan's help).

So whatever happens, you still save the world and eliminate the Illuminati's plan for direct world domination.

Thank you.

Itkovian

P.S. Sorry for the wall o' blue.

[Tusc]

Originally Posted by rubiomhs

the story is so half baked i don't even want to pay attention to it.

I have to agree. It's just piss poor storytelling. Several characters central to the plot are tragically underdeveloped. Even if you read all the emails, you have to work to make up your own plausible story to piece together motivations. Side stories are left hanging in the wind. Lots of holes in the main story. No decisions effect anything. And then the big F-U of choosing your ending by button push.

I expected better.

[Krios]

Originally Posted by Lirezh

I recently finished HR and well I'm sad it's over, some stuff was missing and other satisfying.
I really missed a longer "speak out" with Megan. Damn I've been looking and searching for her for most of the story! All I got were a few words and she was gone again..
That really sucked, I expected more from such an important person in the game.
Damn I couldn't even tell her that our pet Dog got killed!

I felt the same way. Has Megan ever loved Adam? Jensen went through hell to save her, fight his way through hundreds of enemies, and then nothing? Not even a hug?

Someone guessed she started even a relationship with Namir? The man who killed most of her colleagues and friends at Sarif Industries? This is crazy. At the end she wants to work on the gray death virus?
Why should Jensen even care for such a stone-cold unscrupulous person?
Megan must be not only a genius at science but also at lying.

The whole prehistory makes no sense to me. Maybe someone can explain it. Accidentally Megan stumbled over Adam Jensen, who is the only one who has the right DNA for her scientific research. By pure chance Adam fell in love with the appropriate genius scientist. suspicious. But how could she know that? Does Megan secretly test the DNA of all her boyfriends? Too much luck for my taste.

Why couldn't I use my social enhancer on her? Too bad

[Rindill the Red]

All I want to say is... 3 buttons? Really? You stop while Eliza explains 3 buttons? Whose idea was that. He/she should be shot.

[Zakka]

Originally Posted by Rindill the Red

All I want to say is... 3 buttons? Really? You stop while Eliza explains 3 buttons? Whose idea was that. He/she should be shot.

I found this really stupid as well haha

Darrow ending best ending by the way

I was dissapointed they didn't show adam/megan finish were they left off in their conversation, their relationship was interesting.

[OGU]

Some people didn't liked the game because the megan's cold behaviors and 3 button ending. 3 button or not the solution of all things is the Helios this has been decided in Invisible War. How many of you have chosen in Invisible War any other ending insteed of Helios? Also Megan and Adam or Bob Page is irrelevant. No one is perferct tells the game to us, the AI is the solution for all mankind, that is what metters.

[Draco856]

There's too much speculation with Megan Reed, and not enough fact...I really want some closure to this, the only character in the game I felt connected to and all we got was a lame cut-scene....Other then this glaring fact (at least for me) I enjoyed the game, and will play it a third time when DLC comes out.

[stethnorun]

Oh woops, didn't see there was a stickied thread for this topic. Here is a link to my analysis:

http://objectivistgamer.com/?p=709

Sorry about the double post.

[ocstew]

Not really the "ending" but who were the Hyron drones, were they simply test tube babies or volunteers?

[Rainhands]

I was VERY disappointed that they chose to clip together stock footage instead of using in game graphics. They also failed to detail what happened to everyone else no matter what ending you chose, that was also a let down. But the epilogues in themselves were fine.

[Maggie Chow]

Having played the original Deus Ex many times I was quite dissappointed by the ending of Human Revolution.

The choices are kind of framed as "choose the future of humanity", but having played the original I already knew what was going to happen anyway and therefore felt like none of the choices really made that much difference.
It didnt feel like choosing the future so much as just choosing a bit of filler for the period in between HR and original.

Anybody else feel like this?

[Cerebelum]

Such are the drawbacks of playing a preqel. Does not stop it being a damn good game though.

[Tale]

I kind of wish they'd gone the route of the first two games and just let each ending option be just a part of what actually happens. But I guess there's not enough to go on.

It's not like they could have had them be distinctly eventful options. The world clearly doesn't go Luddite. I don't know how disappointment can factor into that. How does one expect differently?

[faridle]

I used Megan as the main motive for Adam to continue on, and what happens. She has probly shared the sack with guy who shot Adam. Joined/helped unwittingly? the bad guys. And to make matters worse she joins Bob.

If there where an ending cutscene depicting Adam Jensen. Then in mine game he would be sitting in his appartment
drinking cheap bourbon looking at an picture of Megan while love hurts where playing in the background

[Vallux]

Originally Posted by faridle

I used Megan as the main motive for Adam to continue on, and what happens. She has probly shared the sack with guy who shot Adam. Joined/helped unwittingly? the bad guys. And to make matters worse she joins Bob.

If there where an ending cutscene depicting Adam Jensen. Then in mine game he would be sitting in his appartment
drinking cheap bourbon looking at an picture of Megan while love hurts where playing in the background

...and then Flygirl walks naked from the other room- called it.

[Daedatheus]

Originally Posted by Vallux

...and then Flygirl walks naked from the other room- called it.

" it, Jensen. Forget about her. She turned her back on you, on all of us. Besides..."
*starts massaging his metal shoulders... somehow*
"... you're with the Flygirl now."

BOW CHICKA BOW WOWWWW

*Lazarus qeues up "I believe I can fly" on the radio*

"Adam can you turn off that sad violin music? Where's that even coming from...?"
"Why isn't your fridge plugged in?"
"What do you even need a sextant and compass for in a highrise apartment??"
"Have you asked them to replace your mirror yet?"

[Krios]

Originally Posted by faridle

I used Megan as the main motive for Adam to continue on, and what happens. She has probly shared the sack with guy who shot Adam. Joined/helped unwittingly? the bad guys. And to make matters worse she joins Bob.

If there where an ending cutscene depicting Adam Jensen. Then in mine game he would be sitting in his appartment
drinking cheap bourbon looking at an picture of Megan while love hurts where playing in the background

You mean this picture?
http://dxhr.nanoaugur.net/dx3-art18.jpg
quite fitting.

The first playthrough was really thrilling for me, but now knowing that no matter what you do, it ends so badly with Megan, it kills the fun for a second playthrough somehow. All Endings can be seen during the first time, just by pressing another button. So there is not much reason left to play it again.

Its like: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Not to say every story has to have a happy end. Maybe I am too romantic.

Originally Posted by Vallux

...and then Flygirl walks naked from the other room- called it.

words of solace

[Castagear]

Originally Posted by Krios

You mean this picture?
http://dxhr.nanoaugur.net/dx3-art18.jpg
quite fitting.

The first playthrough was really thrilling for me, but now knowing that no matter what you do, it ends so badly with Megan, it kills the fun for a second playthrough somehow. All Endings can be seen during the first time, just by pressing another button. So there is not much reason left to play it again.

Its like: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Not to say every story has to have a happy end. Maybe I am too romantic.


words of solace

there are so many reasons to play it again. Got every achievement? 1st time hiding in the shadows, 2nd time run n gun and make all bad decisions, hostages get killed, Sanders dead and his private hostage to. Ask mrs Reed for a reward..., being rude all the time, i tell you its fun

btt
i cant tell witch Ending i prefer. Taggerts, Sarifs and Darrows points of views are logical in there opinion. When there is a DX:HR2 i think the prefer ending is Darrows. Fight against Illuminati and the guys how killed the PI.

[ocstew]

I thought the video snippets were quite fitting for the game. But Adam says something like, "But didn't I, not abuse my power, most of the time", so my question is, does that line change if you played as a villainous murderer?