STUTTERING & LAG / FRAME RATE Drop - Video & Audio - All Discussion

[SweatyGremlins]

Youtube actually shows quite a few people experiencing the issue too

I guess the lesson here is don't post an ad promoting piracy, lest a mod make you out to look like an idiot. Also, I like pickles.

[TROOPER181st]

this is getting annoying... i tried to play the game an to ignore the stutter but i cant Really really cant!
Maybe because my focus is on the stutter because of knowing it and reading it here but i actually deinstalled the game ..
again for Driler the friendly admin: set up a poll please, read all the post on this forum to be honest i dont like to tell you mu specs over and over again..
if you want to chanel our complains to Eidos devs please do so and forward them this thread as reference..

[DarkFlow]

Originally Posted by ProdWithTheProd

Er...are you deliberately trying to stir things up and annoy people?

Even if the stutter was very brief, the fact that it happens ALL THE TIME throughout a level really starts to damage your enjoyment of the game.

When you know that your game is just going to freeze for a second when you turn around, you start to get a weird sort of mental tunnel vision; like you're flinching in anticipation of it every time you turn around.

And of course, if the stutter happens when you're in the middle of a battle, the sudden disruption can result in death + reload. Repeatedly.


But seriously, look at this thread. See how annoyed people are. Do you really believe they're making a fuss over nothing? If you don't have the problem, and you don't have any suggestions, nor can you provide any information...then please, go away.

I don't believe people are making a fuss over nothing, at least most people. That's why I was wondering if that video was not a good example of what people are fussing over. I'm lucky because the problem I was having which prevented me from enjoying the game was fixable, but what I saw in that video didn't seem to warrant the amount of, and intensity of complaints it had received.

To me, there's a difference between annoying and unplayable, and I'm probably more tolerant than most because most of my favourite games are pretty buggy. You ever play Vampire Bloodlines? KOTOR 2? Any Bethesda Gamebryo game (Oblivion, Fallout 3)? Games like that may have given me a thick skin, but the aim stuttering I had may have seemed trivial to someone else.

But it looks like that was not a good example of the problem that made this thread such a monster. Even the other video posted by dpeter was too short to get a good idea of how bad it is, even if it does give a better indication of its severity. I'm definitely not saying this is a storm in a teacup (well technically it is, but relatively speaking...), but maybe someone should post a video showing it at its worst, because I'm sure I'm not the only one who viewed that video and thought it wasn't that bad.

[domyx]

I have a sugestion for all the users who have the terrible stuttering , and play with a gamepad . For a smoother experience and a smoother framerate do the following: disable ingame tripple buffering , leave v-sync on ingame , disable tripple buffering in nvidia cp , download a program called DXTORY , install it , go to overlay tab in dxtory , click in the middle of the display (disable overlay) , go to advanced tab in dxtory , check permanent hook , check Limit Video FPS to 30 , minimise , enter game. This way it will limit your framerate to 30 avoiding the use of fraps and not needing to record anything. Get rid of fraps if ur using it only to limit fps . DXTory works with every game dx9 , dx10 , dx11. Still the stuttering on new areas/hubs will not disapear but its better . Hope they release a patch , prefferably this year ...

[Mrmonkey2]

Originally Posted by DarkFlow

Ok, I have to say, is this really as bad as it gets? I mean I can see this being annoying, but to create such a furore? To me that looks totally playable. Not ideal by any stretch, and doubly so if one has a really good pc, but seriously? I'd gotten the impression that the stuttering people were experiencing was unplayable. Is this not such a good example?

The vid that was posted there is not a good example at all for what we are talking about here, the sturrering is MUCH worse than that.
Ppl are talking about 1-2 seconds lags and freezes when looking at or entering any new areas, which makes the game totally unplayable, we are NOT talking about some fps drops here and there which that vid shows (that wouldnt rly spawn a 20 page thread now would it)

[DrGreenthumb]

More people need to sign the petition!

If you haven't signed the petition, please do so now, no registration required and every signature counts!

http://www.petitiononline.com/DEHRStut/petition.html

[flying llama]

That video was mine, i don't understand why 50% fps drops after each corner is a bad example...

This is how it feels


I also recorded a 60 fps video (720p), all settings low or disabled
http://www.mediafire.com/?rq3c8cz8owd631n

[lukeman3000]

Originally Posted by flying llama

That video was mine, i don't understand why 50% fps drops after each corner is a bad example...

This is how it feels


I also recorded a 60 fps video (720p), all settings low or disabled
http://www.mediafire.com/?rq3c8cz8owd631n

rofl

[ProdWithTheProd]

Originally Posted by DarkFlow

To me, there's a difference between annoying and unplayable, and I'm probably more tolerant than most because most of my favourite games are pretty buggy. You ever play Vampire Bloodlines? KOTOR 2? Any Bethesda Gamebryo game (Oblivion, Fallout 3)? Games like that may have given me a thick skin, but the aim stuttering I had may have seemed trivial to someone else.

Well then take it from someone who would rate KOTOR 2 WAY above KOTOR1; has completed Bloodlines many, many times and who has a total of 257 hours spent (according to Steam) in Fallout 3 -

This is so very annoying, the annoyance renders the game unplayable. It's like having somebody flick your ear every couple of minutes while you play, or tap you on the shoulder. It's as if poor old Adam Jensen is tripping over his own feet every few metres.

[LordWeasel]

Originally Posted by ProdWithTheProd

Well then take it from someone who would rate KOTOR 2 WAY above KOTOR1; has completed Bloodlines many, many times and who has a total of 257 hours spent (according to Steam) in Fallout 3 -

This is so very annoying, the annoyance renders the game unplayable. It's like having somebody flick your ear every couple of minutes while you play, or tap you on the shoulder. It's as if poor old Adam Jensen is tripping over his own feet every few metres.

It is very annoying indeed, but somehow I can still live with it. I notice it, and think "there's that stuttering again", but I unconsciously take preventive measures before entering combat, like spinning 360* to make sure I load in as much of an area as possible in case I have to turn around and leg it. This way, I have somehow managed to largely avoid the issues during combat, so I can still enjoy the game.

One does expect more from a game released in 2011 though. We need a fix, not some poll to confirm what a 35k view, 500+ post thread already knows.

Luckily, Nixxes have made a thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=121236), confirming that they are hard at work making the next patch.

[Udpu]

Getting the same issue with tutorials vids stuttering, wondering if Eidos will ever chop the chipper on the chopwag chine on this one.

[Joey Ravn]

Originally Posted by drewho

only one moron i can see here, troll off

Re-read my post, this time slowly and trying to understand what I'm saying. I was talking about people, like the ones in those threads, who instantly bash the people who complain about the stutter because they think their PCs are not good enough to run the game, even though they know nothing about the stutter problem. Check those links you purposefully omitted when quoting me to see it with your own eyes.

Got it? Fine.

[eastcoasthandle]

One idea to elevate the stuttering would be to ask the developers a means to unpack/decompress the bigfiles so that the game would run without compression/being packed. I've asked for some insight of this in this thread:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=121101

However, I've not received any response as of yet. If anyone can be of assistance I would appreciate it.

[Driber]

Originally Posted by dpeter

And from what the admin was just saying, they're apparently oblivious to the stuttering issue we've been talking about for the last 20 pages. There is no patch in the works.

Originally Posted by Phroster

The way i'm reading the admins responses, i dont really get the feeling, that the problem is understood correcly.

Originally Posted by XXBladeRunner

Confirmation that 'No' their not working on a patch and 'No' they dont care about pc users, 'No' there is nothing wrong with 'Their' game and that 'We' are all just over exaggerating a issue with framerate or other issue as 'We' are not able to configure our PC's properly.

What a joke of a company and employee's.

What's wrong with some people. Seriously.

I offer to set up a poll to get things more organized and it's being turned into "there's no patch coming" and "devs don't know about / understand this problem at all".

Wow.

(All those posts I quoted seemed to all address my poll suggestion, but if I got it wrong, then just ignore what I just said.)

Originally Posted by david75sk

I described clearly two or three times stuttering issue in this thread. So did other users. Should I send certified letter to Eidos Montreal?

We are your customers. You sold us non-working product (there is absolutely no issue on my PC as I described few times in this thread), you should fixed it and its not like we must write you PM, e-mail, letter or...

Okay, for the record, I am not EM. Nor am I customer service. The DX forum is not even "my area" around here. I'm just popping in from time to time to help out on the administrative side and get things more organized.

Originally Posted by TROOPER181st

again for [Driber] the friendly admin: set up a poll please, read all the post on this forum to be honest i dont like to tell you mu specs over and over again..
if you want to chanel our complains to Eidos devs please do so and forward them this thread as reference..

Like I just said, this forum is not on my "rounds" and I don't read every single post here; I wouldn't have the time for that.

That's why I asked you guys to PM me the stuttering problem description, so that I can set up that poll. So far I have received 1 (ONE) single PM and TBH, it wasn't even all that clear. Apparently, interest isn't all that great?

If anyone still wants to PM me that recap, please also include a short video of the problem if you can. Sending me very long videos and telling me to "look at 6m13s" will not do.

[SweatyGremlins]

all right ill send u a PM

[Driber]

Thanks

[LordWeasel]

Originally Posted by Driber

What's wrong with some people. Seriously.

I offer to set up a poll to get things more organized and it's being turned into "there's no patch coming" and "devs don't know about / understand this problem at all".

Wow.

(All those posts I quoted seemed to all address my poll suggestion, but if I got it wrong, then just ignore what I just said.)



Okay, for the record, I am not EM. Nor am I customer service. The DX forum is not even "my area" around here. I'm just popping in from time to time to help out on the administrative side and get things more organized.



Like I just said, this forum is not on my "rounds" and I don't read every single post here; I wouldn't have the time for that.

That's why I asked you guys to PM me the stuttering problem description, so that I can set up that poll. So far I have received 1 (ONE) single PM and TBH, it wasn't even all that clear. Apparently, interest isn't all that great?

If anyone still wants to PM me that recap, please also include a short video of the problem if you can. Sending me very long videos and telling me to "look at 6m13s" will not do.

Uhm... Welcome to the internet? (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
When you post here with that Eidos logo, people rightly assume you are the correct person to talk to, and this forum is "your area" unless clarified otherwise (which you have now done).

Anyway, this whole poll thing has gotten a bit out of hand, and I fail to see what good it could possibly do. All most of us wanted was confirmation that the threads were being read by people who care, and people capable of getting the problems fixed.

And we have, in the form of the currently stickied post from Nixxes, where they let us know they are looking at every single issue that pops up, and are indeed working on patches as we speak. They could not give any ETA atm, because they had to find the cause, make sure the patches didn't break anything else, and so on. Perfectly understandable.

All we can do now, is pile on with bug reports and system specs to make sure they have as much information as possible (and *cough* the correct sense of urgency ).

[SweatyGremlins]

tried to describe it but it's probably better in video



someone linked that earlier, mine is not as severe, it's smooth until i travel a certain distance then the stuttering really drags me down for a few secs but i have noticed rooms where if i stare at certain angles it creates a stutter

the game is playable and i am enjoying it but i tried playing on DX9 and O: O: O:

literally could not turn or leave the room, then the game claimed my computer did not meet requirements and kindly ALT+TAB ed the game for me D:

hopefully they can fix the game so it runs as good as it deserves to, it's the first sequel i have played in ages that lives up to the original

[Driber]

Thanks for the PM, SweatyGremlins

So I'm ready to post that poll, unless there's something I'm missing. This is what I compiled so far:

This poll is for getting to know how many people are experiencing the stuttering problem. Please read the description carefully before voting; we don't want you to vote for "yes" if you are not experiencing this problem or are experiencing a different problem which may look similar to this one, but isn't (for example, a mere low framerate problem).

Problem description:

The game has good fps but lags\halts\stutters when you move\turn in certain areas of the game. A good example is the locker room on the first mission you are given (to retrieve Typhoon\save hostages, the room is once you manage to get into the factory and kill a few dudes).

It takes a few seconds for it to clear up though some areas (the locker room) remain stuttery, it feels like some kind of loading or memory issue.

It is more severe in the first mission for some reason, the only thing that is consistent is the locations where the stutters occur

It is not random, it's in set places and while it clears up, once you leave if you return the stutter is back

Video depicting the stuttering problem:



Please everyone vote. And whether you vote for yes or no, please post a quick reply here with your specs. This might help to obtain a clear overview of which hardware combinations experience the problem and which don't. In your reply, post which option you voted for.

Please keep your reply clear of anything else to keep this poll organized.

Here is an example of a good thread reply.

YES, I am experiencing the stutter problem.

specs:
i5-2500k at stock 3.3ghz
Radeon 6950 2gb
8gb g-skill ddr3
Caviar Black 750gb 7200rpm
Windows vista 64-bit

If this describes the problem clear enough, I will run that poll. If not, let me know through PM within the next hour.

[Driber]

Originally Posted by LordWeasel

Uhm... Welcome to the internet? (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
When you post here with that Eidos logo, people rightly assume you are the correct person to talk to, and this forum is "your area" unless clarified otherwise (which you have now done).

Hehe, not new to the internet at all; been moderating here for 10+ years already. I admit I *slightly* exaggerated with that "shocked look"

And not my fault people wrongfully assume things. The badge clearly shows that I'm an "Eidos Forums Admin"; it doesn't say anything about me being an employee. If I was, then my badge would look like this guy's.

Originally Posted by LordWeasel

Anyway, this whole poll thing has gotten a bit out of hand, and I fail to see what good it could possibly do.

If it will do nothing, then nothing lost. I'd say it can't hurt to try. The aim is to create something which the devs can go through without having to waste their time reading page after page of complains and demands. If the poll contributes nothing or turns into another complain fest, then we'll know we won't have to bother next time and just let you guys rant on

Originally Posted by LordWeasel

And we have, in the form of the currently stickied post from Nixxes, where they let us know they are looking at every single issue that pops up, and are indeed working on patches as we speak. They could not give any ETA atm, because they had to find the cause, make sure the patches didn't break anything else, and so on. Perfectly understandable.

Indeed. It's a shame it doesn't seem to register with most members...

[Driber]

Received another video suggestion for the poll through PM.

So which one is better to depict the stuttering problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODtuqWrmgnw

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5nQvPkfwI

Or are they both the same?

[flying llama]

Why just not post both videos (or even more)?

[Sinate]

Originally Posted by Driber

Received another video suggestion for the poll through PM.

So which one is better to depict the stuttering problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODtuqWrmgnw

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5nQvPkfwI

Or are they both the same?

This is almost how it is for me all the time (not quite so bad), no matter which zone (indoors or outdoors).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFyW1Sa7Cuo

I am between these 2 vids on stuttering amounts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5nQvPkfwI

Specs:

Intel i7 930 @ 3.8ghz + H70 Cooling
Win 7 64bit Ultimate
P6X58D-e
Corsair Dominator 6Gb Triple Channel DDR3
Nvidia GTX570 DCII
Corsair 850HX Silver PSU
2 x Seagate 256Gb HDD in Raid 0
HAF 932 Case

[Mrmonkey2]

Originally Posted by Driber

Received another video suggestion for the poll through PM.

So which one is better to depict the stuttering problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODtuqWrmgnw

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5nQvPkfwI

Or are they both the same?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5nQvPkfwI show it best of the two, however on my system its even more severe, the stutters are longer for me.
But the main problem is shown correctly, entering new area's causing stutters and when returning back to them FPS stay on 60.

[SweatyGremlins]

yeah i think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5nQvPkfwI is better