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[HowardBeale]

I agree. If they were to post, "We're working on it." My initial reaction would be "ETA?"

This, of course, only applies if they actually are working on a patch.

So, assuming that they are working on the patch, and I think they are, I hope they can get it done while I'm still interested. It would suck to know I flushed more money down the tubes.

[DrGreenthumb]

Originally Posted by HowardBeale

I agree. If they were to post, "We're working on it." My initial reaction would be "ETA?"

This, of course, only applies if they actually are working on a patch.

So, assuming that they are working on the patch, and I think they are, I hope they can get it done while I'm still interested. It would suck to know I flushed more money down the tubes.

I see what you're saying, like when Valve makes an announcement and then end up being late several weeks/months, hence known as "Valve time".

I think the issue is more widespread than thought, since the release of the game, I have had stuttering and I simply watched these forums for an answer or solution. And I think a lot of people are doing the same, or they don't even know that this forum exists and are either playing though it or waiting for a patch.

My system isn't uber, but should be able to run this game at full settings (which it does between stutters)
EVGA 790i Ultra sli
Q9300 @ 3.0ghz
4gb ddr3 corsair xms3
geforce 460 gtx Oc 1gb
10k rpm velociraptor primary hdd
win 7 x64 fresh install, everything up to date

I really hope this gets fixed. If not, forget about me buying any future dlc's or games from this company.

[SweatyGremlins]

Originally Posted by Remnant

Relax guys. The less posting on the forums they do means more time for code-monkeying.

If they come out and say "we are unable to find and fix this problem. Sry. KTHXBAI" - then its ok get out the torches and pitchforks. But until then just keep the reports flowing in, hardware combos, etc.

If you give a mouse a cookie....

So they come in and tell us they're "working on it" - ok now we demand to know when to expect a patch. Software engineering never goes as planned, so the patch ends up a couple days late. Even more rage.

Get the picture? Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying what people think they want to hear.

na that's not right, you will always have the rude people who complain and get outraged regardless of what is done, for the rest of us who have remained civil and positive it would be nice to hear from the devs.

[dpeter]

I don't care about an ETA. A simple "yeah, we're working on it" would be nice. The silence is deafening at this point.

[Woopzilla]

The problem here though is that Eidos must've been aware of this widespread issue before even releasing this game. I absolutely 100% refuse to believe that this issue went unnoticed by them and their testers. The system specs listed here vary so much that you can literally take any combo of hardware and successfully reproduce this error: intel, AMD, ATI, nvidia, high spec, low spec, quad core, duo core, single core, stock timings, overclocked, 4GB RAM, 8GB RAM, 16GB RAM, pre-built, self-built, win7, XP, vista, 64bit, 32bit, 7.2k RPM HDD, 10k RPM HDD, SSD, etc...

They probably realize that the damage is done and that they should just sweep it under the rug.

And yea, in my eyes Eidos is a bad company now that releases half finished games with performance issues and quest bugs. They can only hope to redeem themselves by making an announcement immediately or getting a patch out very, very quickly... but that seems unlikely as they can't really make a news statement saying "Hey guys, the issue of terrible performance regardless of your machine specs was down to us releasing a shoddy unoptimized port. We're working on it!"

I suppose I am angry and ranting, but that's because I've spent more time on forums reading up on this error than playing the game. I've actually had to stop playing this game because it's just unenjoyable the way it is now. I'm certainly never going to buy another Eidos game if this isn't rectified.

[TROOPER181st]

Originally Posted by Woopzilla

The problem here though is that Eidos must've been aware of this widespread issue before even releasing this game. I absolutely 100% refuse to believe that this issue went unnoticed by them and their testers. The system specs listed here vary so much that you can literally take any combo of hardware and successfully reproduce this error: intel, AMD, ATI, nvidia, high spec, low spec, quad core, duo core, single core, stock timings, overclocked, 4GB RAM, 8GB RAM, 16GB RAM, pre-built, self-built, win7, XP, vista, 64bit, 32bit, 7.2k RPM HDD, 10k RPM HDD, SSD, etc...

They probably realize that the damage is done and that they should just sweep it under the rug.

And yea, in my eyes Eidos is a bad company now that releases half finished games with performance issues and quest bugs. They can only hope to redeem themselves by making an announcement immediately or getting a patch out very, very quickly... but that seems unlikely as they can't really make a news statement saying "Hey guys, the issue of terrible performance regardless of your machine specs was down to use releasing a shoddy unoptimized port. We're working on it!"

I suppose I am angry and ranting, but that's because I've spent more time on forums like these reading up on this error than playing the game. I've actually had to stop playing this game because it's just unenjoyable the way it is now.

EXACTLY my feelings!! Well said! Hours in-game 20 hours on this issue 200 hours..
it seems they are more focussing in ARG's and DLC ( " finishing the story blabla" ) instead of FINISHING the game!!
I dont care about the damn stockholders at/or S.E. the are probably now overjoyous celebrating that the game was a financial succes and probably now thinking how to suck the milk out of this milkcow called DXHR..
Forgetting us in in the procces... highly arrogant attitude towards the dissapointed customers...

[TROOPER181st]

http://www.petitiononline.com/DEHRStut/petition.html

Originally Posted by TROOPER181st

let them hear you!

[thgc]

I wrote a mail to the Eidos Support yesterday giving them a link to the petition. Which means they must be aware of this problem now if they have been blind for the last couple of days.

Please Eidos, give us something to work with here, so we can go back to this great game without thinking: "Wow, this company gives a crap about PC gamers and their gaming experience"

[TROOPER181st]

Originally Posted by thgc

I wrote a mail to the Eidos Support yesterday giving them a link to the petition. Which means they must be aware of this problem now if they have been blind for the last couple of days.

Please Eidos, give us something to work with here, so we can go back to this great game without thinking: "Wow, this company gives a crap about PC gamers and their gaming experience"

me and some other friends wrote to Eidos and Square Enix about this issue couple of days ago; their reply :
WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THEIR REPLY

So good luck to you there friend!

[SweatyGremlins]

it's sad but there are more threads out there

http://storefront.steampowered.com/v...p?AppId=112100

http://au.gamespot.com/pc/action/deu...=944090&page=0

i wasn't really angry at first but it's starting to annoy me that PC gaming has been reduced to poor ports, Deus Ex was born on PC

[paulberndson]

Th the the game is is isn't pla playable.

[TROOPER181st]

^^ i lol'ed

[TROOPER181st]

This made me LOL'ed even harder :

From the website of Nixxes.com :

"Nixxes Software BV is a group of highly experienced game technology programmers. The company was founded in August 1999 and has since specialised in helping other game developers and publishers making the best out of their game content.

We do this either by bringing high quality conversions to other platforms, both console and PC, assisting in getting a game out faster and better, or by working with studios to build technology that helps people make better games. Over the past years we have worked with machines varying from the Sony PlayStation and Sega Dreamcast to the newer platforms like the PS3 and Xbox 360. In addition we have a long history working with various PC platforms.

We strive to completely understand every platform we work on, and use this knowledge to get the best out of games. This way the game teams can focus on getting the best possible content, while we push the machines to make it all run well. We've worked on several products since we started, which you can find more information about in our projects section. We encourage you to try out these games, and we hope you will have as much fun playing them as we had working on them. "

[cyborg34572]

Originally Posted by TROOPER181st

This made me LOL'ed even harder :

From the website of Nixxes.com :

"Nixxes Software BV is a group of highly experienced game technology programmers. The company was founded in August 1999 and has since specialised in helping other game developers and publishers making the best out of their game content.

We do this either by bringing high quality conversions to other platforms, both console and PC, assisting in getting a game out faster and better, or by working with studios to build technology that helps people make better games. Over the past years we have worked with machines varying from the Sony PlayStation and Sega Dreamcast to the newer platforms like the PS3 and Xbox 360. In addition we have a long history working with various PC platforms.

We strive to completely understand every platform we work on, and use this knowledge to get the best out of games. This way the game teams can focus on getting the best possible content, while we push the machines to make it all run well. We've worked on several products since we started, which you can find more information about in our projects section. We encourage you to try out these games, and we hope you will have as much fun playing them as we had working on them. "

"is a group of highly experienced game technology programmers"

Unless you roll like John Carmack i dont think you can say your a highly expirienced programmer, specialy with all these problems with the game.

[ProdWithTheProd]

A thought just occurred to me. I don't know if anyone else has suggested such a thing in this thread already.

How many people here played the game before the last patch? Was the stuttering around when the load times were longer? If so, ignore what I'm about to say, but...

...is anyone wondering if perhaps they did something very silly like reduce the amount of data that's precached in order to reduce initial load times, only to put more strain on the way the game is streaming that information afterwards?

[Joey Ravn]

Originally Posted by SweatyGremlins

it's sad but there are more threads out there





i wasn't really angry at first but it's starting to annoy me that PC gaming has been reduced to poor ports, Deus Ex was born on PC

I find the reactions of some people to be completely baffling. "It's the first time I hear about this, but I'm sure it's your fault because you have a crappy computer, even though I have no idea about the specs of your PC. You fail at life, trololololol."

What a bunch of morons.

[Levelgrinder]

Originally Posted by Joey Ravn

I find the reactions of some people to be completely baffling. "It's the first time I hear about this, but I'm sure it's your fault because you have a crappy computer, even though I have no idea about the specs of your PC. You fail at life, trololololol."

What a bunch of morons.

OMG someone is really throwing stone in the wrong direction here!!
Most people here have more than enough PC horses to run this game, but even then it runs like crap.
The reason behind this reaction is because of total ignorance from the devs and publishers, its natural behaviour of the human brain to react this way if you are ignored.

[kall]

Anyone have an explanation as to why these obvious bugs & performance issues have not been covered by some of
the larger gaming and PC related web sites? I mean, so many reports on a multitude of forums but nothing from any of the sites that give the game rave reviews. What so, none of these guys experienced any problems? Or do they benefit from keeping it on the DL.

[DrStrangeLove]

Hi all, I too am experiencing the game-crippling stutter that most people are referring to here and in the steam forums where the framerate dips briefly, then shoots back up as you move into new areas or turn your mouse quickly. I've tried all the other suggestions with little to no success.

By no means do I have great hardware by today's standards: M17x R1 -> qx9300@2.5Ghz, gtx 260m sli, 4gb ddr3all stock speeds no overclock and running latest bios and drivers etc. I'm getting around 45-60fps average in-game.

BUT another possible fix (I bet everyone's tired of hearing that )
I recently started playing f.e.a.r. 1 (as I have put Deus aside until a patch is released) and I began to experience a similar, but not identical stutter and framerate problem that I am currently experiencing in DE:HR. I believe the solution to the problem for f.e.a.r. was to disable the HID-compliant devices in the device manager. Supposedly the problem was linked to the game conflicting with logitech drivers.

Unfortunately for me, disabling the HID-compliant devices has not fixed the stuttering in f.e.a.r. or deus ex and I use a logitech mx518 mouse which, given this solution fixed the majority of stuttering for those with the stutter in f.e.a.r, is strange.

Basically, I'm just taking a stab here and wondering if people could try and disable the HID-compliant devices in the device manager and see what effect (if any) it has on the stuttering in Deus Ex. Just to warn you that disabling the HID-compliant devices may turn off some of your mouse and keyboard features or even your mouse, so just a warning.

Sorry for the long post, I just joined the forums. plz go easy

[LordWeasel]

Originally Posted by kall

Anyone have an explanation as to why these obvious bugs & performance issues have not been covered by some of
the larger gaming and PC related web sites? I mean, so many reports on a multitude of forums but nothing from any of the sites that give the game rave reviews. What so, none of these guys experienced any problems? Or do they benefit from keeping it on the DL.

Well, the reviews probably don't mention technical issues because there is no way of knowing if the problem is local or not, and most sites review special press copies, which can still be subject to change before release. As long as the game isn't a complete mess, they mostly disregard technical issues.

When it comes to writing articles about bugs and issues so soon after release, you just don't see that very often (in my experience anyway, correct me if I am blatantly wrong). If the issues aren't fixed, I'm sure we'll see a couple of articles pop up here and there.

[drewho]

Originally Posted by Joey Ravn

I find the reactions of some people to be completely baffling. "It's the first time I hear about this, but I'm sure it's your fault because you have a crappy computer, even though I have no idea about the specs of your PC. You fail at life, trololololol."

What a bunch of morons.

only one moron i can see here, troll off

[drewho]

Originally Posted by ProdWithTheProd

A thought just occurred to me. I don't know if anyone else has suggested such a thing in this thread already.

How many people here played the game before the last patch? Was the stuttering around when the load times were longer? If so, ignore what I'm about to say, but...

...is anyone wondering if perhaps they did something very silly like reduce the amount of data that's precached in order to reduce initial load times, only to put more strain on the way the game is streaming that information afterwards?

i played before the patch and the stuttering was just as bad for me

[Tommando]

I'm sorry, maybe I'm confused, but, are you...calling him a moron? He's referring to some of the people in this thread here: http://au.gamespot.com/pc/action/deu...=944090&page=0

[TROOPER181st]

Also pre-patch i noticed alot of stuttering while strafing and moving the mouse. Except it never happened indoors only and always outside: inside buildings Butter smoooth like a hot knife in butter..
except in the 3rd chapter i noticed alot of framedrops also inside buildings and when i went back to detroit for the 2nd time stuttering everywhere even inside..
that was before and after the patch

PS : Petition is going well ! Alot of unheard voices

[cyborg34572]

Originally Posted by DrStrangeLove

Hi all, I too am experiencing the game-crippling stutter that most people are referring to here and in the steam forums where the framerate dips briefly, then shoots back up as you move into new areas or turn your mouse quickly. I've tried all the other suggestions with little to no success.

By no means do I have great hardware by today's standards: M17x R1 -> qx9300@2.5Ghz, gtx 260m sli, 4gb ddr3all stock speeds no overclock and running latest bios and drivers etc. I'm getting around 45-60fps average in-game.

BUT another possible fix (I bet everyone's tired of hearing that )
I recently started playing f.e.a.r. 1 (as I have put Deus aside until a patch is released) and I began to experience a similar, but not identical stutter and framerate problem that I am currently experiencing in DE:HR. I believe the solution to the problem for f.e.a.r. was to disable the HID-compliant devices in the device manager. Supposedly the problem was linked to the game conflicting with logitech drivers.

Unfortunately for me, disabling the HID-compliant devices has not fixed the stuttering in f.e.a.r. or deus ex and I use a logitech mx518 mouse which, given this solution fixed the majority of stuttering for those with the stutter in f.e.a.r, is strange.

Basically, I'm just taking a stab here and wondering if people could try and disable the HID-compliant devices in the device manager and see what effect (if any) it has on the stuttering in Deus Ex. Just to warn you that disabling the HID-compliant devices may turn off some of your mouse and keyboard features or even your mouse, so just a warning.

Sorry for the long post, I just joined the forums. plz go easy

Im afraid that was a different issue entirely, F.E.A.R 1 didnt stutter but the game would suddenly lock your fps to a way lower number after a couple minutes of gameplay, this was determined to be caused by enabled HID compliant devices, disabling them fixed the issue. I had the problem myself so i know.