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Old 05-16-2011, 09:50 PM
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Aahahahahahaha look at you you big blubbery baby. I honest to god have been trying to read this thread for like twenty minutes but every time I do all the posts blend together and end up looking like this:

LOL this is epic. You win...something
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:04 PM
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Cool video, Kyle. More stuff like that!
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What else exactly are you waiting to know? We know more about this game than we did LA Noir, and LA Noir was just released!

You see, if I ask you a question about a game you're developing, I know that you are likely bound by a handful of nda's, that your marketing plan is important, and that it is in your interest to keep portions of your game underwraps.

You said the word yourself, friend. Impatience. When the game comes out, you will likely have all the answers you want. Why do you want them right now? It's their job to make a great game - not answer your questions, or even mine. Do they look like college professors? Some devs like to look fancy and seem cuddly by answering questions and poking on forums a bit, and people get all fuzzy about it (not sure why, personally). Others decide their time would be better spent elsewhere. The game comes out in August. Your questions will be anwered then. Anything you get before then is gravy - and as far as I'm concerned, we've been getting a LOT of gravy, brother.
I'm not going to repeat the questions we've repeated repeatedly, and I'm not going to ask people who don't know the answers. Look at it this way: The sooner I have my answers the sooner I won't feel I need to speak up for the minority who have very few great games to enjoy. The sooner I know what I need to know, the sooner I can know whether to keep championing and challenging ideas, on a discussion forum we've been told was for gathering opinions, or stop bothering, or jump on the happy bandwagon. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I hope you don't expect anyone to repeat any of the past years for you. Impatience comes after years of enthusiastic solicited volunteer work that amounts to a lot of stuff that never mattered to us, and an unknown amount of the stuff that we love. Impatience comes after disingenuous marketing statements replace direct feedback, or marketing decisions clamp down on real talk. Impatience comes when a pointed and specific concern is misunderstood and made into a joke. Impatience comes with every single bit of news that isn't related to the very things we care about. Impatience comes from forum members acting like they still don't know what the problem is, as opposed to knowing it and not relating or agreeing. Impatience comes from doing a lot of work only to find out it was never delivered and not having the strength to do it all over. Telling someone so involved and invested to be patient is an insult. The waiting has gone on longer than you know, or your post would reflect much differently, and I just want to know as soon as possible if it ever mattered, or if it was a worth it, or if modders will be a necessary further step to make the game's desired attributes enjoyable for eliminating those things that slash through the joyful connection.

A reaction to a negative post's negativity has nowhere near the same meaning as a post relating to money, time, effort, and other personal investments in the game itself, already heavily involved, steeped in over a decade of enjoyment, community, and creativity that may or may not ever happen again for some of us, with trends as they are.


Screenshots and vids that answer questions are wonderful overall, and received well by the people that annoy you here. You've noticed that, I hope. I really hope you haven't missed how glad and grateful we are for information. I don't care about media and articles that don't tell me anything I want to know, and since the target audience is very different than my own demographic, I don't relate to or connect to what the masses are eating up like it's new every time. We can stop posting when we have our answers and let you alone to your bliss.

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Old 05-16-2011, 10:57 PM
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What else exactly are you waiting to know? We know more about this game than we did LA Noir, and LA Noir was just released!

You see, if I ask you a question about a game you're developing, I know that you are likely bound by a handful of nda's, that your marketing plan is important, and that it is in your interest to keep portions of your game underwraps.

You said the word yourself, friend. Impatience. When the game comes out, you will likely have all the answers you want. Why do you want them right now? It's their job to make a great game - not answer your questions, or even mine. Do they look like college professors? Some devs like to look fancy and seem cuddly by answering questions and poking on forums a bit, and people get all fuzzy about it (not sure why, personally). Others decide their time would be better spent elsewhere. The game comes out in August. Your questions will be anwered then. Anything you get before then is gravy - and as far as I'm concerned, we've been getting a LOT of gravy, brother.
I'm not going to repeat the questions we've repeated repeatedly, and I'm not going to ask people who don't know the answers. Look at it this way: The sooner I have my answers the sooner I won't feel I need to speak up for the minority who have very few great games to enjoy. The sooner I know what I need to know, the sooner I can know whether to keep championing and challenging ideas, on a discussion forum we've been told was for gathering opinions, or stop bothering, or jump on the happy bandwagon. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I hope you don't expect anyone to repeat any of the past years for you. Impatience comes after years of enthusiastic solicited volunteer work that amounts to a lot of stuff that never mattered to us, and an unknown amount of the stuff that we love. Impatience comes after disingenuous marketing statements replace direct feedback, or marketing decisions clamp down on real talk. Impatience comes when a pointed and specific concern is misunderstood and made into a joke. Impatience comes with every single bit of news that isn't related to the very things we care about. Telling someone so involved and invested to be patient is an insult. The waiting has gone on longer than you know, or your post would reflect much differently, and I just want to know as soon as possible if it ever mattered, or if it was a worth it, or if modders will be a necessary further step to make the game's desired attributes enjoyable for eliminating those things that slash through the joyful connection.

A reaction to a negative post's negativity has nowhere near the same meaning as a post relating to money, time, effort, and other personal investments in the game itself, already heavily involved, steeped in over a decade of enjoyment, community, and creativity that may or may not ever happen again for some of us, with trends as they are.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:00 PM
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:09 PM
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there will always be those few people who aren't satisfied no matter what. honestly i think this is *** awesome and above and beyond; i can see how some might despise the marketing approach but keep in mind this is the livelyhood and future of these developers and team so yes a large portion of their goal will be marketing (i'd take this over those in game advertisements which affect the game ANY DAY). it's more formulated than simple you like this heres this and has cool effort put into it so while i won't mass post this (not many friends into videogames) i definitely will tell my friends who are and know of deus ex/don't know of deus ex so they'll check this out and potentially the game as well as the original. the newest video was pretty cool and from looking at that there seems to be a bunch of other stuff so even though i've already liked the page i'll tell my friends and definitely be checking back to see what new stuff pops up and a huge thanks to those who put this all together (and haters keep hating, i know you will)
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:17 PM
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So everything that you're not in love with is terrible and intrusive? Or do you just literally hate everything?
Because clearly those are the only two options. It's been in the news regarding both sections of my statement a few times. Based on that I find it terrible and intrusive.
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Old 05-17-2011, 12:46 AM
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Facebook is free and a lot of people were already registered to it. While on the one hand, FB posters can sometimes be less informed and asking questions already answered on the forums, there's a wider range of posters, including more games industry people. Also people tend to be more direct and there are no "walls of text" either. I definitely appreciate that I can follow the game somewhere else other than the official forums, that I'm already logged in to.

Tecman, that is very funny and brilliantly done. "Beaten by the Polish" is so darn true. You forgot the "OMG your post is SO American"
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:32 AM
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Facebook is free and a lot of people were already registered to it. While on the one hand, FB posters can sometimes be less informed and asking questions already answered on the forums, there's a wider range of posters, including more games industry people. Also people tend to be more direct and there are no "walls of text" either. I definitely appreciate that I can follow the game somewhere else other than the official forums, that I'm already logged in to.

Tecman, that is very funny and brilliantly done. "Beaten by the Polish" is so darn true. You forgot the "OMG your post is SO American"
Wrong, FB isn't free. You trade your personal information to anyone FB will sell it. A lot of people don 't want to do that. People just don't understand how valuable is that information today and that's why such things as Facebook, MySpace, Twitter etc exist because they cash in $$$ from all that info you leave there. Maybe next time when you register in such social sites read any ToC or whatever you sign up agreeing. Also see how everytime some apps ask to confirm that they will need access to your info if you want to use it.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:45 AM
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1/- Create a fake account with no personnal information.

2/- Like Deus Ex 4 times (you can "like" for each language page).

3/- Profit.
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Wonder if we get a demo of the game at the end
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Old 05-17-2011, 05:18 AM
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Wonder if we get a demo of the game at the end
that would be really stupid to make demo and then if we didn 't manage to reach that milestone of likes on FB not to give us. So I don 't think there is anything like this in unlocks. It is more likely just screenshots (artwork) and some making of videos.
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It is more likely just screenshots (artwork) and some making of videos.
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:39 AM
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Wrong, FB isn't free. You trade your personal information to anyone FB will sell it. A lot of people don 't want to do that. People just don't understand how valuable is that information today and that's why such things as Facebook, MySpace, Twitter etc exist because they cash in $$$ from all that info you leave there. Maybe next time when you register in such social sites read any ToC or whatever you sign up agreeing. Also see how everytime some apps ask to confirm that they will need access to your info if you want to use it.
Interesting, please give an example of how much better your life is holding onto this supposed valuable information if you don't sign up to a site like Facebook with possible information sharing (even though from a pure user standpoint the privacy settings are fine).

Facebook IS free in a monetary sense, the only thing it costs you is your time to sign up and use it. Somehow when I meet a preson in the street and tell them my name, I don't feel like I've shared the commodity of my name with them and get nervous about it, I have no reason to....
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Targeted advertising: one of the reasons I stopped using FB.

One day, I logged in and saw some kind of blurb on the side, "Do you like Boards of Canada? Try out the...etc. etc."

Now, we're talking about the masses who use Facebook here. How many people do you think, the majority of which are probably younger, know and listen to Boards of Canada? I don't even remember entering in any information into my profile related to my musical interests. I must have had a cookie that kept track of my browsing habits. Someone, this was communicated to my Facebook.

It was enough to get me to stop using it. You have everything to lose if you share too much personal information on the web.

Case in point, Eidos Forums was recently hacked. Probably harmless, but personal information was stolen, however benign it may have been.
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1/- Create a fake account with no personnal information.

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I've made 10 dummy accounts on facebook, and have liked the Deus Ex page with each of them... how would I find the "other languages" pages?
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That's interesting.
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Targeted advertising: one of the reasons I stopped using FB.

One day, I logged in and saw some kind of blurb on the side, "Do you like Boards of Canada? Try out the...etc. etc."

Now, we're talking about the masses who use Facebook here. How many people do you think, the majority of which are probably younger, know and listen to Boards of Canada? I don't even remember entering in any information into my profile related to my musical interests. I must have had a cookie that kept track of my browsing habits. Someone, this was communicated to my Facebook.

It was enough to get me to stop using it. You have everything to lose if you share too much personal information on the web.

Case in point, Eidos Forums was recently hacked. Probably harmless, but personal information was stolen, however benign it may have been.
Boards of Canada are awesome! /unrelated.
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Targeted advertising: one of the reasons I stopped using FB.

One day, I logged in and saw some kind of blurb on the side, "Do you like Boards of Canada? Try out the...etc. etc."

Now, we're talking about the masses who use Facebook here. How many people do you think, the majority of which are probably younger, know and listen to Boards of Canada? I don't even remember entering in any information into my profile related to my musical interests. I must have had a cookie that kept track of my browsing habits. Someone, this was communicated to my Facebook.

It was enough to get me to stop using it. You have everything to lose if you share too much personal information on the web.

Case in point, Eidos Forums was recently hacked. Probably harmless, but personal information was stolen, however benign it may have been.
Targeted advertising doesn't bother me in the slightest on Facebook, I don't even notice it, too busy using Facebook for what it was intended for, to socialise online with my friends. If the price to pay for that is some small print ad on the right side of the browser screen who cares?!?, big whoop-de-doo. At least facebooks ads are visually un-intrusive, one of the things that killed Myspace was the extreme over the time video-laden adverts plastered all over the whole screen, that turned people away from its big bloated mess.

If one day even Facebook gets major hacked, I'm not going to get paranoid over some hacker knowing how much I tea I enjoy drinking and what my favourite youtube vids are. I'm listed in the telephone directory along with my address, if someone wants to do some basic research they can find out where I live, no biggy, I've got nothing to hide.

If a website that contains my credit card details gets hacked, THEN I won't be very happy, but thats yet to happen in the 11 odd years I've bought stuff online and had an online-only bank account. Plus the internet offers some protection in terms of sheer numbers, the chances of being stung are soo incredibly unlikely.

Seriously some people get paranoid over the silliest things.
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I've made 10 dummy accounts on facebook, and have liked the Deus Ex page with each of them... how would I find the "other languages" pages?
http://deusex.com/facebook

Click each language and it SHOULD take you to their pages. Although, the web being the web, who knows what could happen?!
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Ok, how to we stop it from asking our age every single time?
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...too busy using Facebook for what it was intended for, to socialise online with my friends.
There's the other reason FB is not for me.

I also almost never checked it, so it wasn't fair to anyone who wanted to talk to me via FB. Also completely not interested in the personal lives of so many other people.

Once something finds itself on to the internet, it never gets taken down. I think it's pretty common practice nowadays for employers to check up on their employees's or applicants's Facebooks to see if there's some dirt there to prevent them from working. The less of me there is on the internet, the less there is for people to misuse. Simple.

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Ok, how to we stop it from asking our age every single time?
Yeah that's indeed a nuisance... You have to be careful with that age check thing! Yesterday I entered a birth date in 2024 just for fun and to see what happens...Well, the result was I couldn't enter the site anymore...Yep, no possibility to enter my birth date again, not until I deleted each and every single cookie from deusex.com as well as deusex3.com
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