Plot holes in the game.

[LucaTurilli]

The whole game seems like one big plot hole. I know it is a game but why it lacks so much creation/ideas?!

So one of the most secured prisons on Earth lets the most wanted criminal with a SINGLE guard near him, who doesn't seem tough at all being beaten by the "Skeletor" Joker.
Near Batman is a security guard who just happen to UNLOCK the door for the Joker to get inside didn't UNLOCK it a second time so Batman can lose time breaking the big enforced window. Somehow a skinny girl managed to pass so much security (like 50+ guards and maybe at least 20-30 cameras UNNOTICED) to get to the super mega hyper security room from where she happens to have a full control to all the doors in the whole prison...
Why nobody else had such control?
Why in the holy mother of *** didn't the police assaulted the prison for so much time?! Having armed crazy junkies who could harm the guards isn't excuse at all!
What happens in the first minutes of the game with all the security guards inside the prison?! They are nowhere to be seen.
Also how the titan/viral stuff could be put in the prison in so much quantities for the enemies to get infected and turn into some big mutants? Also how can you put down the snipers on the towers in the open areas of the maps. It's a perfect place for SWAT assault ))).

The whole concept of the game seems absurd. In The Chronicles Of Riddick pc game series at least there are some random riots for some time and they seem way more possible than in this game.

[k1ll1ng j0k3]

I always have a problems with criticism like this. I am very big on story and plot when it comes to games and I definitively want the game to be engaging and to be plot oriented. However, I do understand that this is a game and some compromises have to be made in order to enjoy it. Most importantly, games are supposed to be interactive and as much as it pains me to say this, game play is a bit more important than a consistent story. There are plenty of games with great stories that suffer from terrible game play; Alone in the dark comes to mind. Another thing that is worth pointing out is that most forms of entertainment have story holes; this includes books, movies, TV shows and of course games. The bottom line is that this story is not based in reality; if that was the case we can criticize how ridiculous the Titan formula is or even better! The fact that we can decipher some hieroglyphics and in return get the a sound recording of the story of Arkham Asylum. What I am trying to say is that this is a game. It is not suppose to be taken that seriously and as gamers we are suppose to make certain logical compromises in order to get submerged into the atmosphere and enjoy ourselves…In other words, don’t take the game or yourself so seriously dude, just enjoy the game.

[Nemesis296]

I think it has to do with the fact that Arkham Asylum isn't really supposed to be like a normal PRISON. It's for criminally insane patients, and they are getting treatment from special doctors, etc. while there. While there is heightened security with the Arkham Guards, they don't seem to be special forces units who could put you in line. Just pushover citizens who wear armor and run like mad when danger strikes.

Also, the other thing you have to consider is that the Joker is a mastermind of trickery. The plan he set in motion was months in planning and Batman's arrival was the last piece of the puzzle.

Another thing, Harley Quinn, also known as Dr. Harleen Quinzel was a doctor working in Arkham Asylum, manipulated by the Joker so she was an insider on the job. She had access to the building and probably figured out how to infiltrate the security while being on the staff.

It's not about realism as KillingJoke said, it's more about seeing how the story unfolds as a result of the premise. Comics are never really realistic if you think about it. That's why we read them.

One last thing, the premise of Arkham City (the sequel to Arkham Asylum in case you're just tuning in) is that there are guards that patrol the gates to the quarantined area for inmates, and the only rule is that anyone attempting to escape will be shot on sight. This premise doesn't sound realistic either, but it's what the writers come up with to give us a compelling story.

Think about it another way; things just went all wrong at just the wrong times, which presents the story and makes for a very interesting game

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

DUDE lTS AN ASYLUM NOT A PRISON! They dont have top notch security,

[LucaTurilli]

Originally Posted by Batman The Trailer Hunter

DUDE lTS AN ASYLUM NOT A PRISON! They dont have top notch security,

Doesn't seem like this in the intro of the game lol . There are like 3 minutes of intro showing the inside of the Asylum and the many guards and security systems. But another comic based game is Hulk. If I want I can find dozens of plot holes there too but I get it - it's just a game . I have a habbit of finding plot holes mostly in movies.

[JackWinz]

I don't.. really... care..

[Reecio]

Originally Posted by LucaTurilli

The whole game seems like one big plot hole. I know it is a game but why it lacks so much creation/ideas?!

So one of the most secured prisons on Earth lets the most wanted criminal with a SINGLE guard near him, who doesn't seem tough at all being beaten by the "Skeletor" Joker.
Near Batman is a security guard who just happen to UNLOCK the door for the Joker to get inside didn't UNLOCK it a second time so Batman can lose time breaking the big enforced window. Somehow a skinny girl managed to pass so much security (like 50+ guards and maybe at least 20-30 cameras UNNOTICED) to get to the super mega hyper security room from where she happens to have a full control to all the doors in the whole prison...
Why nobody else had such control?
Why in the holy mother of *** didn't the police assaulted the prison for so much time?! Having armed crazy junkies who could harm the guards isn't excuse at all!
What happens in the first minutes of the game with all the security guards inside the prison?! They are nowhere to be seen.
Also how the titan/viral stuff could be put in the prison in so much quantities for the enemies to get infected and turn into some big mutants? Also how can you put down the snipers on the towers in the open areas of the maps. It's a perfect place for SWAT assault ))).

The whole concept of the game seems absurd. In The Chronicles Of Riddick pc game series at least there are some random riots for some time and they seem way more possible than in this game.

Technically even though it's an Asylum it's meant to have pretty high security as all the evil villains get put there.
That being said, have you actually played the game? As you seem to have missed most of the plot....... the guard standing next to Batman while he watches the Joker get carted off is under Jokers employ (as well as a lot of the guards tbh) and kidnaps Gordon (you know, the detective bit u have to do).
Also, the titan formula is being worked on by one of the scientists there and they were using it on some of the patients (illegally I think).
Also the police were preoccupied with the "bombs" (Batman thinks its a ruse) that the Joker had apparently planted around the city........ seriously, it's all explained in the game if you actually bothered to pay attention :P

[DarkVictory]

Originally Posted by LucaTurilli

So one of the most secured prisons on Earth lets the most wanted criminal with a SINGLE guard near him, who doesn't seem tough at all being beaten by the "Skeletor" Joker.

As mentioned in a post above, Joker has bribed certian members of Arkham security to be on his side.

Also, Joker isn't considered weak in the comics just because he looks like that. (Well, actually, Joker's toughness kind of goes back and forth, depending on who writes him.)

Near Batman is a security guard who just happen to UNLOCK the door for the Joker to get inside didn't UNLOCK it a second time so Batman can lose time breaking the big enforced window.

I'd have to play through the story mode again to address this one. I think I know what you are talking about, but I don't know for sure.

Somehow a skinny girl managed to pass so much security (like 50+ guards and maybe at least 20-30 cameras UNNOTICED) to get to the super mega hyper security room from where she happens to have a full control to all the doors in the whole prison...

Again, you seem focused on Harley's 'skinny-ness', as you were with Joker's. Harley isn't 'skinny' by comic book standards (that's another issue for another time), and she isn't considered weak, either. Fruther, as mentioned, she used to work for Arkham, so she gets some pass in that regards.

Why nobody else had such control?

I'm not sure what this question means.

Why in the holy mother of *** didn't the police assaulted the prison for so much time?! Having armed crazy junkies who could harm the guards isn't excuse at all!

Joker threatened that he had bombs around the city that he would detonate if the police tried to enter Arkham. Because Arkham would be a difficult place to assault without Joker knowing, the police would be hard pressed to infiltrate it without Joker setting off the bombs, and since Batman is pretty much the Gotham PD equivalent of a Special Forces unit, it's understandable that the police might want to let him have a try before risking any parts of the city getting blown up.

What happens in the first minutes of the game with all the security guards inside the prison?! They are nowhere to be seen.

Yeah, there aren't as many security guards to be found in-game as there are in the videos. That said, you do find a lot of dead security guards in the game...

Also how the titan/viral stuff could be put in the prison in so much quantities for the enemies to get infected and turn into some big mutants?

The Titan stuff was being made in the prison, so it wouldn't need to be transferred into it. Also, I'm not sure how much you think they need, since a small injectable was enough to turn Joker into a giant monster.

Also how can you put down the snipers on the towers in the open areas of the maps. It's a perfect place for SWAT assault ))).

Again, Joker threatened to blow up the city if SWAT assaulted the island.

The whole concept of the game seems absurd. In The Chronicles Of Riddick pc game series at least there are some random riots for some time and they seem way more possible than in this game.

Never saw Chronicles of Riddick, but yeah, the concept is somewhat absurd... but it's a video game based on a comic book, and given that, it's not really that absurd.

[LucaTurilli]

Originally Posted by Reecio

Technically even though it's an Asylum it's meant to have pretty high security as all the evil villains get put there.
That being said, have you actually played the game? As you seem to have missed most of the plot....... the guard standing next to Batman while he watches the Joker get carted off is under Jokers employ (as well as a lot of the guards tbh) and kidnaps Gordon (you know, the detective bit u have to do).
Also, the titan formula is being worked on by one of the scientists there and they were using it on some of the patients (illegally I think).
Also the police were preoccupied with the "bombs" (Batman thinks its a ruse) that the Joker had apparently planted around the city........ seriously, it's all explained in the game if you actually bothered to pay attention :P

Thanks for the good reply. I missed a lot of the story in the game because I only watched a speed run which is showing completition of the game for around 2 hours =).

DarkVictory thanks dude great reply! You change my mind .

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Originally Posted by LucaTurilli

Thanks for the good reply. I missed a lot of the story in the game because I only watched a speed run which is showing completition of the game for around 2 hours =).

DarkVictory thanks dude great reply! You change my mind .

You didnt even play the game??????????????????????????? *facepalm

[JackWinz]

Originally Posted by LucaTurilli

Thanks for the good reply. I missed a lot of the story in the game because I only watched a speed run which is showing completition of the game for around 2 hours =).

DarkVictory thanks dude great reply! You change my mind .

Originally Posted by Batman The Trailer Hunter

You didnt even play the game??????????????????????????? *facepalm

Yeah, seriously, why are you even starting this?..

[Nemesis296]

Lol they had us all played! That's pretty much like saying "I only played the demo, this game sucks!"

[LucaTurilli]

Sorry guys for wasting time. At least most questions have reasonable explanations which satisfies me.

[The Hylden]

For most people, playing the game (or reading the entire book, watching the entire movie, etc., talking in regards to finishing the entire story of whatever it is you're engaged in) satisfies as your answers should be had within the story, itself. As is the case here...

[Reecio]

Originally Posted by Nemesis296

Lol they had us all played! That's pretty much like saying "I only played the demo, this game sucks!"

All? I think I pretty much said it in my post........ *holds up his trophy in epic stance (the one signed by sefton etc*

[Hatman]

The OP must not get out much...virtually every piece of imagined creative work in existence has plot holes if you concentrate strictly on looking for them.

The most important thing to remember about B:AA is that it is a game based off of a license. If you want to blame someone for plot holes, blame every writer that has worked on Batman since 1939. Or better yet, try not to focus so much on the inherrant lack of real world logic. The emphasis is on the characters of the world, the Batmen, the Jokers, Banes, etc. The Arkham staff, GCPD, etc are bit players. They're supposed to be weak incompetant *** for the sake of the main characters of the world.

[BigBoss]

Originally Posted by LucaTurilli

The whole game seems like one big plot hole. I know it is a game but why it lacks so much creation/ideas?!

So one of the most secured prisons on Earth lets the most wanted criminal with a SINGLE guard near him, who doesn't seem tough at all being beaten by the "Skeletor" Joker.
Near Batman is a security guard who just happen to UNLOCK the door for the Joker to get inside didn't UNLOCK it a second time so Batman can lose time breaking the big enforced window. Somehow a skinny girl managed to pass so much security (like 50+ guards and maybe at least 20-30 cameras UNNOTICED) to get to the super mega hyper security room from where she happens to have a full control to all the doors in the whole prison...
Why nobody else had such control?
Why in the holy mother of *** didn't the police assaulted the prison for so much time?! Having armed crazy junkies who could harm the guards isn't excuse at all!
What happens in the first minutes of the game with all the security guards inside the prison?! They are nowhere to be seen.
Also how the titan/viral stuff could be put in the prison in so much quantities for the enemies to get infected and turn into some big mutants? Also how can you put down the snipers on the towers in the open areas of the maps. It's a perfect place for SWAT assault ))).

The whole concept of the game seems absurd. In The Chronicles Of Riddick pc game series at least there are some random riots for some time and they seem way more possible than in this game.

This is one of those generic arguments of "why didn't they plan for that??" I guarantee if they had more guards and some of them were double agents or whatever to advance the story in the same direction, someone would be saying "Oh come on, they would have obviously been screened!!"

[kalle90]

My biggest plot hole is that why the hell do they still let people like Joker live. He's clearly past the phase of being cureable and everytime he escapes he kills atleast a dozen people.

I'm against violence and killing, but if I were Batman I would have thrown that batarang at Joker to knock him down to his death while saying "You got your chance".

Really what is the point of keeping people like Joker alive? IMO it makes Batman sound egosentric that he wants to "save innocent" yet he seems more concerned about "spreading the fear" and proving the criminals that they can't win over and over again.

[Joseph Kerstein]

Originally Posted by kalle90

My biggest plot hole is that why the hell do they still let people like Joker live. He's clearly past the phase of being cureable and everytime he escapes he kills atleast a dozen people.

I'm against violence and killing, but if I were Batman I would have thrown that batarang at Joker to knock him down to his death while saying "You got your chance".

Really what is the point of keeping people like Joker alive? IMO it makes Batman sound egosentric that he wants to "save innocent" yet he seems more concerned about "spreading the fear" and proving the criminals that they can't win over and over again.

I wrote my own personal feelings on this down a long while back. Let me dig up the quote.

In the game "Arkham Asylum" he has a golden opportunity hand given to him by Joker to knock him off a platform and cause him to fall to his death. (Why else would Joker risk something like that if he isn't positive that the person he's offering the chance to will NOT take it?) Batman draws his batarang and winds up, but then you can see the look in his face. I subscribe to the belief that Batman is "insane" in his own way, or rather he's just barely dangling onto his sanity... For some people, killing wouldn't be a problem and they wouldn't go insane... For Batman, however, and given his messed up past, it'd be too much for his psyche to handle. Scarecrow said it himself in B:AA, "You're just as crazy as the rest of us!"

Sometimes it goes beyond a simple "good/bad" choice, or the typical morals of people. Sometimes it's not just because, "The person is stupid" or "isn't thinking far enough ahead". When dealing with a character who has a fractured past, my mind instantly looks for a psychological reasoning for their choices.

That's my view on it.

And I still stand by this belief to this day. Maybe that'll make that part of the story seem less "weak" and perhaps a big stronger?

Edit: As another "piece of evidence" so to speak for this case, just watch the episode "His silicon soul" and watch the ending with the robot. I think that scene spoke volumes about how Batman would feel if he did in fact kill someone, even if not killing that person would somehow risk many others lives. It's a very tricky tightrope act to be sure, but if he were to cross that line I think his mind would snap. Just my personal feelings and beliefs in the Batman mythos.

[DarkKnightDanny]

You know its funny, every game forum i ever visit has at least one thread like this. Do the people who write them expect the other readers to bow down and congratulate them on being so logical(for a game based on a comic book)
A game that features a seven foot man that resembles a big Crocodile! That would never happen!

[kalle90]

Originally Posted by Joseph Kerstein

And I still stand by this belief to this day. Maybe that'll make that part of the story seem less "weak" and perhaps a big stronger?

True but I wasn't talking just about Batman but the entire society. How can they stand these insane killers and think locking them up again and again is enough. Some people like Cash in AA have been a bit suggestive about wanting some lone time with the villains, but I'd assume it'd just mean some beating up and nothing permanent.

Even a place that does not condone death penalty would probably do something else than just watch the circle repeat itself. This is perhaps the biggest turn-off for me in the comics. The good guys seriously think just beating up and locking these guys up will cure them eventually? Is it worth all the casaulties and destruction?

Yea there are some (Batman) villains that I wouldn't kill by these basics (Penguin, Riddler, Scarecrow, Bane to name a few) but guys like Joker, Croc and Poison Ivy seem like they have gone way over the line.

[Joseph Kerstein]

Originally Posted by kalle90

True but I wasn't talking just about Batman but the entire society. How can they stand these insane killers and think locking them up again and again is enough. Some people like Cash in AA have been a bit suggestive about wanting some lone time with the villains, but I'd assume it'd just mean some beating up and nothing permanent.

Even a place that does not condone death penalty would probably do something else than just watch the circle repeat itself. This is perhaps the biggest turn-off for me in the comics. The good guys seriously think just beating up and locking these guys up will cure them eventually? Is it worth all the casaulties and destruction?

Yea there are some (Batman) villains that I wouldn't kill by these basics (Penguin, Riddler, Scarecrow, Bane to name a few) but guys like Joker, Croc and Poison Ivy seem like they have gone way over the line.

This is something I can totally understand, but the main reason I'm replying is about that part about Cash's suggestive remarks. If you roam around during the opening of the game, there are a few guards who say outright that Joker should be shot/killed, and the other black security guard -- Zach I think was his first name -- after you knock out Zsasz (another prime example of a killer that should be put out of everyone's misery) that says Zsasz should be put down permanently.

I think the main thing holding some of these people back is, sadly enough, the law. Just picture yourself in their shoes for a bit. True, you'd want to -- and perhaps would -- kill Joker or Zsasz or whoever else, but now what is most likely to happen? You're going to prison for a long time... the sad truth is that that isn't a comicbook convention, but a real life one... Despite the fact these are cold blooded murdering psychos living in an already heavily corrupted city.

But hey, I agree with you. Gotta keep the comics going somehow, though, right?

[JackWinz]

Batman is a plot hole.

[kalle90]

Originally Posted by Joseph Kerstein

But hey, I agree with you. Gotta keep the comics going somehow, though, right?

One would think there would have been plenty of times during which killing/shooting Joker would be considered self-defence or otherwise necessary. Well except that 9.9 times out of 10 Batman is there first to stop and disarm Joker.

But yea this keeps the story going so better just say that Gotham is a twisted place ruled by freaks. Everyone else gets the short end of the stick

[Yabab]

I think you're trying too hard to make sense of something that was clearly designed for the player/reader to fill in the holes as they wished.