I played the game and I'm here to answer all of your questions

[Ashpolt]

Actually going back to topic here:

Do we know will it still be hold for cover for the PC version? Because it seems to me that a toggle would work better for the PC version. The main buttons that are easy to hold while performing other actions are already assigned under "standard PC FPS controls" which I prefer not to mess with where possible:

Space: Jump
Shift: Sprint
Left Ctrl: Crouch
Left mouse button: Shoot (duh)
Right mouse button: Iron sights / scope

There are other buttons around obviously, but none are exactly in a comfortable place to hold. As such, a toggle would be better on the PC version, IMO. (Not that I'm going to use the damned system if at all possible, of course.)

[Reven]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Actually going back to topic here:

Do we know will it still be hold for cover for the PC version? Because it seems to me that a toggle would work better for the PC version. The main buttons that are easy to hold while performing other actions are already assigned under "standard PC FPS controls" which I prefer not to mess with where possible:

Space: Jump
Shift: Sprint
Left Ctrl: Crouch
Left mouse button: Shoot (duh)
Right mouse button: Iron sights / scope

There are other buttons around obviously, but none are exactly in a comfortable place to hold. As such, a toggle would be better on the PC version, IMO. (Not that I'm going to use the damned system if at all possible, of course.)

I would say.

C. crouch
Left CTRL. cover
middle mouse for quick inventory or augs
1 to 10 for augs
R. reloads

perhaps ?

[Pretentious Old Man.]

I would say X crouch. Srsly. Ever since Deus Ex (and I think Thief) did it, I've made every game do it. It's just so much more convenient to the fingers than ctrl.

[Reven]

to my hand C is closer and more natural .

TAB. for info link? datavault?

[Irate Iguana]

The only things that matter are that they let us customize the controls and that they don't have multi-functional buttons for the PC.

[Pretentious Old Man.]

Originally Posted by irate iguana

the only things that matter are that they let us customize the controls and that they don't have multi-functional buttons for the pc.

+1.

[Pinky_Powers]

I'm trying to remember exactly how the cover and shooting worked in Rainbow Six Vegas on the PC. I think it was RMB for cover... but how did you peak up to fire?

[68_pie]

Originally Posted by Pretentious Old Man.

I would say X crouch. Srsly. Ever since Deus Ex (and I think Thief) did it, I've made every game do it. It's just so much more convenient to the fingers than ctrl.

but with ctrl you can use your little finger which isnt likely to be in use at the same time for something else. If you use X or C aren't you sacrificing either strafe-right or jump? Unless you always use toggle-crouch which I can't stand (pun maybe a little intended)?

If i decide to use the cover system I'd like to map it onto my mouse, either middle mouse or one of the ones on the side.

[IOOI]

Space: Jump
Shift: Sprint
LCtrl: Crouch
C: Optics
E (hold): Augs list
F: Light Oh wait...

LMB: Fire
RMB: Cover (Just like Vegas)
MMB: Throw/Interact/Confirm aug selection
MScroll: Scroll Toolbelt/Augs

[Ninjerk]

Originally Posted by Mindmute

It's intereresting for you to say that, because they never said the 360 was the lead platform for the game.

In fact, when I came on to the forums it was being said by developers that DX3 was being developed with "PCs in mind" or some such BSery.

[Ashpolt]

Originally Posted by Reven

C. crouch
Left CTRL. cover

Originally Posted by Pretentious Old Man.

I would say X crouch. Srsly. Ever since Deus Ex (and I think Thief) did it, I've made every game do it. It's just so much more convenient to the fingers than ctrl.

Presumably you're pressing C or X with your index finger (can use thumb, but it leads to crab claw syndrome) so how do you move backwards / strafe right while crouching?

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

I'm trying to remember exactly how the cover and shooting worked in Rainbow Six Vegas on the PC. I think it was RMB for cover... but how did you peak up to fire?

I can't remember exactly how it did it either, but I remember it being pretty damn awkward and I had to reconfigure the controls a lot before I got to anything even approaching comfortable, and even then it wasn't ideal. It's one of the (many) reasons I've been concerned about this type of cover system in this game.

Worst comes to worst, I'll use capslock. But WASD, space, ctrl, shift and the mouse buttons are holy buttons for me, and I don't change their functions from what I'm used to unless I absolutely have to.

And @Reven: I believe it's already been confirmed that the PC version will have a hotbar for weapons / items and will use the function keys for augs, but don't quote me on that. I'd quite like the F keys for individual augs and middle mouse as quick select, as you suggest.

Also agreed with I_I. I think this topic shows the necessity of configurable controls for PC. Again, let's hope for a demo so we can see if we get that or not before we're asked to spend money...

[jtr7]

Originally Posted by Pretentious Old Man.

I would say X crouch. Srsly. Ever since Deus Ex (and I think Thief) did it, I've made every game do it. It's just so much more convenient to the fingers than ctrl.

Yep. Thief actually has two different Crouch buttons (X is one of them, by default, and I don't use the other one at all, so I'd have to look it up). One is a toggle, where you press once to crouch, again to stand up, and the other button crouches Garrett only as long as the button is held. Both are handiest for different situations.

[Ashpolt]

Hmmm.....I'm having an idea....

Left ctrl: Cover
Scroll wheel down: Crouch
Scroll wheel up: Stand up (assuming crouch is toggle rather than hold)

That might just be crazy enough to work! Or possibly, if it is indeed a toggle on the PC version:

Left ctrl: crouch
Flick the scroll wheel to enter / exit cover

...That could actually be a fairly fluid and dynamic way to do it. Assuming we've got a toolbar on the number keys of course, and so the scroll wheel isn't tied up with weapon selection.

[Reven]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Hmmm.....I'm having an idea....

Left ctrl: Cover
Scroll wheel down: Crouch
Scroll wheel up: Stand up (assuming crouch is toggle rather than hold)

That might just be crazy enough to work! Or possibly, if it is indeed a toggle on the PC version:

Left ctrl: crouch
Flick the scroll wheel to enter / exit cover

...That could actually be a fairly fluid and dynamic way to do it. Assuming we've got a toolbar on the number keys of course, and so the scroll wheel isn't tied up with weapon selection.

Interesting Ashpolt yet we are at a loss for a walk key to toggle or hold to stop ourselves from barrelling along a top speed. i like the splinter cell mouse wheel approach but i see it wont be possible here.

[Daeda]

To comment on the lead console stuff, here's a quote from David Anfossi in the interview we had about DX:

We dont have a lead console for this game. I once worked on a game we had to port from Xbox to PS2. It was a simple ten hour game but it took 120 people over a year to port because the game was build with a specific console in mind. Because of this for Deus Ex we decided to use a shared datastructure that works on all platforms. I can guarrantee that all the versions of the game are the same in terms of data, wemade no compromisses. If there are differences it is because of the way the console handles stuff. The consoles didnt give us any troubles but the datalimit for the Xobx 360 proved to be a challenge. We worked very hard to get it on one disk. I hope they changes this for the next console.

Also, some people got it demoed on X360.

For those interested, here's the (dutch) interview http://www.gamer.nl/interview/64016/...man-revolution

[Arksun]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Hmmm.....I'm having an idea....

Left ctrl: Cover
Scroll wheel down: Crouch
Scroll wheel up: Stand up (assuming crouch is toggle rather than hold)

Mouse wheel scroll as buttons?, naaa way too jittery to be as reliable as key stroke or the microswitch action of the LMB or RMB.

As I'm sure controls will be freely assignable to any key its no biggy anyways. I think I would prefer to keep the 'hold to crouch' rather than a toggle key though. But again who knows, maybe they'll include an option to chose.

[Reven]

Well EM staff worked on raindow six vegas has anyone got a contol list from that game ?

[Daeda]

I think the options allowed for a toggle cover button. For the consoles I liked the holding though, gives you more control.

[Ashpolt]

Originally Posted by Reven

Interesting Ashpolt yet we are at a loss for a walk key to toggle or hold to stop ourselves from barrelling along a top speed. i like the splinter cell mouse wheel approach but i see it wont be possible here.

Well shift is the sprint key: simply don't press it to walk. :P Or alternatively, sprint may be default, and press shift to walk. I doubt the game will have more than three speeds: Sprint, walk, crouch walk. That's pretty standard. Maybe crouch sprint as well if we're lucky.

[Reven]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Well shift is the sprint key: simply don't press it to walk. :P Or alternatively, sprint may be default, and press shift to walk. I doubt the game will have more than three speeds: Sprint, walk, crouch walk. That's pretty standard. Maybe crouch sprint as well if we're lucky.

Crouch sprinting seems to be a thing of the past these days. it would appear that walking is standard speed from the leaked gameplay videos (but much my have changed). mouse wheel to swap weapons while middle mouse to enter quick inventory with I as inventory key. and tab as data vault, seems about right while we might need a key to select fire modes (single shot burst or auto) if that is in the game. and a secondary fire key if valid.

[MrFoxter]

I prefer C as a crouch toggle and ctrl (hold) for crouch. I'm a sneaky person and my hand really hurts when I need to hold crouch for extended periods of time (stalker, your ctrl+shift one finger combo is killing me). When I need a quick action, I use ctrl (hold).

What finger do you use for X key, Pretentious Old Man? I find this key in a 'dead zone'.

I'd suggest Alt (hold) for cover. This key is usually ignored, but it is easy to get used to it. And you won't need your thumb for jumping while in the cover.

I'd also prefer universal toolbelts, 1-9 and F1-F9, where I could combine items and augs in each row.

Quick aug select screen is a good idea. Hold the middle mouse (or some key - Q, F), wheel or grid would appear and you place your cursor on an aug you want.

I finished Darksiders recently, and special powers were performed by holding Caps Lock and pressing a number key (1-4). It was very confusing, I hope this won't be in DX:HR.

[Cronstintein]

Holding capslock eh? That's a first. Doesn't feel very comfortable with my hand + keyboard. Although slightly better than shift + #

[Fireisprettyful]

thanks for answering all the questions that you did, i know questions about the AI have been answered but i got a few, would you call them aggressive or are they patient AI? also compared to other shooters how does the AI compare?

[Irate Iguana]

Originally Posted by Daeda

I think the options allowed for a toggle cover button. For the consoles I liked the holding though, gives you more control.

Any chance you could answer my questions on the stealth portion?

[Pretentious Old Man.]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Presumably you're pressing C or X with your index finger (can use thumb, but it leads to crab claw syndrome) so how do you move backwards / strafe right while crouching?

I normally have little finger on SHIFT, index on A, middle on W/S, and ring on D. Since X is a situational button, I tend to use the thumb for it (because it doesn't need a whole finger to constantly be there as it's situational). I never use the function buttons for augs, I prefer to just hit F1 whatever I need and then select the aug combinations I need manually (since I very rarely use just the one aug, I like to combine their effects).