Why do you like Batman?

[airblitz7]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Well you've yet managed to give any proper argument how an arrogant Superman would even lose outside of your plot device machines Batman makes that somehow get to hit Superman to begin with. Maybe if you tried alittle less deus ex machina you might make a more believable argument.

I have given a proper argument, are you saying Batman is incapable of developing a device akin to a yellow sun radiation absorber? I'm sure he would've developed one in his many archived contingency plans.

It's true.

If it is true, why can't a situation where Superman has a death wish be applicable? If Batman can't win under ANY given situation, then even a Superman who has become arrogant and given Batman ample preparation time, according to you, should still win. You can't base your argument on one situation (Superman going rogue and taken every one out first) even if that is the best thing to do. Batman would lose if that happened, but he CAN win under other situations.

But can he be faster than Superman? Prove me he can cast spells faster than Superman can react, 20x speed of light, baby!

Freeze time? Control minds? time travel? give the guise of travelling at a speed akin to Superman? It kinda is magic, you know.


Also, about Hal constructing Kryptonite, I'm sure Kyle Rayner's done it before; just can't find a picture.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by airblitz7

I have given a proper argument, are you saying Batman is incapable of developing a device akin to a yellow sun radiation absorber? I'm sure he would've developed one in his many archived contingency plans.

Oh i can believe he can make the device, and i did want the JLA satellite to be used aswell since they store alien technology there too. I still just don't see how Superman could lose to a man with a absorber gun alone, i mean if Superman wanted he wouldn't even need to use his powers to defeat Batman, just phantom zone technology. Brain beats brawn everytime.

but he CAN win under other situations.

By doing what?

Freeze time? Control minds? time travel? give the guise of travelling at a speed akin to Superman? It kinda is magic, you know.

But my question still remains the same: Can he cast any spell before Superman would take that helm off?

Also, about Hal constructing Kryptonite, I'm sure Kyle Rayner's done it before; just can't find a picture.

Maybe sooner or later this debate won't even allow us to use post Crisis on Infinite Earth comics but only post-Infinite Crisis. Honestly i just rechecked Infinite Crisis where about 50 Green Lanterns we're holding Superboy-Prime as a prisoner and noone is using constructed kryptonite to hold him, so Geoff Johns reboot to Green Lantern franchise has completely so far ignored these moments where a Lantern has constructed Kryptonite, which seems to be only 2 comics ever written. DC comics present #26 and Kyle Rayner in a comic noone can find?

So if you want to create a situation of Superman vs. Kyle Rayner, which Kyle Rayner incarnation do we want to take even? Obviously you guys probably want the Superman incarnation post-Crisis where he doesn't have Kryptonite immunity, but which Kyle Rayner? Your basic Green Lantern one or when he had Ion inside him? Eitherway Kyle does feel underwhelmed and pressured when he's with the big league, but now you can just go "oh no, we can't use novice Kyle!" But i mean, he kinda always feels that way, but hey if he wants to hold up againts Superman, who do you think is gonna run out of juice first?

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Yeah but he wasn't doing his super sneeze then, so you're just trying to get out of this super sneeze dilemma desperately. >: )



So he's a badly written Superman who doesn't see kryptonite with his eye sight nor senses. Bad argument.


So he's a badly written Superman, is this the best you can come up with? How about the Green Lantern just gives up and says he's afraid? Surely bad writing can be argued againts with more bad writing?



It isn't because you wanted to use all the comics out there as evidence. Guess what?:


This happens before Crisis aswell, yet you're using this as an argument. You wanted to use all comics out there, and now that you're losing the debate you wish to not use all comics? Really now? Shall we only count comics post 2005 then? Post Infinite Crisis to be exact?


How on earth would Miller's Batman save the world by trying to capture Superman? Did you forget that they team up to save the world? Batman needed Superman.



But can he cast any of those spells before Superman takes the helm off? 20x Speed of Light.

EDIT:
@Lemonloafer (ups wrote your username wrong, sorry!): I've stated on thru my posts also why i like Batman, perhaps you wish to share your thoughts on those or share your own reasons for liking Batman? I've also stated more than twice now that people can just make a new thread if they wished to regarding Superman.

im not trying to get outta any situation desperately, the fact is just because he CAN use super sneeze doesnt mean he WILL. sneezing doesnt happen very often, and hes no exception. and im pretty sure while he's sticking his finger up his nose trying to sneeze green lanterns just gonna hurl kryptonite beams at him. im not so sure superman can detect kryptonite, at least not as well as you make it seem. if he could detect it so well, there would be so many dangers that he could've avoided in any comic involving kryptonite. that wasnt bad at all. if he's so super, he'll just stand there and try to intimidate hal, not thinking he can hurt him. he's done it before. just kinda take a punch and freak the other guy out i mean. but he would be underestimating hal. i thought you'd rather use post-crisis, but we can use any if you wish. and i think you took my little situation the wrong way. batman would launch the nuke, LIKE in DKR, and it would block the suns rays from reaching the earth, LIKE in DKR. and then he'd construct something that doesnt allow any sun to get through. and as for dr fate, hes magic, superman isnt touching him. granted he has a chance if he takes the helmet off, but he's dr fate: the guy who can do magic and stuff XD he can put up barriers, make himself as fast or even faster than superman, you name it.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Billy Mays

im not trying to get outta any situation desperately, the fact is just because he CAN use super sneeze doesnt mean he WILL. sneezing doesnt happen very often, and hes no exception.

Sneezing is a body reaction due to something in the nostrils, allergic reactions or misslead nerve pulses and so forth, it doesn't take a genius to force yourself to sneeze at all.

lanterns just gonna hurl kryptonite beams at him.

Are you implying Superman just stands there? No eye beams, freze breath or his super speed among other things?

im not so sure superman can detect kryptonite

Yes he can and you know this. Did you forget Superman seeing atoms, radio waves and so forth so fast?

at least not as well as you make it seem. if he could detect it so well, there would be so many dangers that he could've avoided in any comic involving kryptonite.

There comes times when the strongest (Superman), the best detectives (Batman) or the most kind spirited (Captain Marvel) fall victim to forced writing that can be considered bad if the writer can't tell his/her story withouth weakening the protagonist.

not thinking he can hurt him. he's done it before. but he would be underestimating hal.

Oh and where has he done this before? Not to mention you once again seem to avoid all the powers i've listed of Superman using and writing Superman as a moron, can you not write Hal Jordan winning this somehow withouth making Superman dumb? Whats there to ultimately stop me doing the same and just going: Yeah Hal Jordan got fooled by the hamburgers Superman gave him, since we all know Hal's weakness is Carol and Hamburgers.

i thought you'd rather use post-crisis

I did, but you wanted to use all comics out there and have quoted elseworlds and pre-crisis stories, so i tagged along to show the 50s/60s Superdad Superman.

then he'd construct something that doesnt allow any sun to get through.

I love how not only Superman would let this happen, Batman can somehow not only avoid Lex Luthor and Brainiac's goverment but Wonder Woman and Supergirl aswell? How did he get to Superman before anyone else and found safety for himself? This is just awful fan fiction at it's finest.

you name it.

And like Airblitz you allow the incredibly fast superman just let him cast a single spell? Can you not write a situation withouth making Superman just stand by?

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Sneezing is a body reaction due to something in the nostrils, allergic reactions or misslead nerve pulses and so forth, it doesn't take a genius to force yourself to sneeze at all.


Are you implying Superman just stands there? No eye beams, freze breath or his super speed among other things?



Yes he can and you know this. Did you forget Superman seeing atoms, radio waves and so forth so fast?


There comes times when the strongest (Superman), the best detectives (Batman) or the most kind spirited (Captain Marvel) fall victim to forced writing that can be considered bad if the writer can't tell his/her story withouth weakening the protagonist.


Oh and where has he done this before? Not to mention you once again seem to avoid all the powers i've listed of Superman using and writing Superman as a moron, can you not write Hal Jordan winning this somehow withouth making Superman dumb? Whats there to ultimately stop me doing the same and just going: Yeah Hal Jordan got fooled by the hamburgers Superman gave him, since we all know Hal's weakness is Carol and Hamburgers.



I did, but you wanted to use all comics out there and have quoted elseworlds and pre-crisis stories, so i tagged along to show the 50s/60s Superdad Superman.



I love how not only Superman would let this happen, Batman can somehow not only avoid Lex Luthor and Brainiac's goverment but Wonder Woman and Supergirl aswell? How did he get to Superman before anyone else and found safety for himself? This is just awful fan fiction at it's finest.


And like Airblitz you allow the incredibly fast superman just let him cast a single spell? Can you not write a situation withouth making Superman just stand by?

yes i am saying superman just stands there. he's too busy picking his nose and trying to make himself sneeze to pay attention to hal. and where has superman stood looking ridiculously cool while he takes a punch? dont remember what comic: where batman threw a punch at him, superman dodges it and says "throw another one and i promise you i wont move." one of the most badass quotes from superman too. and i never said this batman-superman fight would take place in the dark knight returns universe, so there is no lex-brainiac government or anything. this is just between batman and superman. and thats part of the whole preparation, supermans not letting anything happen. theres many comics that state that batman is prepared for these things. he has many plans and about 10 other contingency plans, thats part of the character. in the end these debates, like the "comic fights", just come down to who the people like more. and for the dr fate and superman thing, im pretty sure its not that easy taking the helmet off. i dont know the character well but he's a damn fine magician, and i'd say he most likely has a shield on at all times, especially around something so vulnerable. and didnt they fight before in the silver age? dont misquote me on that its just what im remembering. im just saying he's supermans weakness personified, so he's got as great a chance as marvel.

[The Hylden]

Well, there's a panel in one of the comics making up Death of Superman when Supes first encounters a still green suit-cloaked Doomsday and just stands there, chest out, taking Doomsday's first punch without budging an inch and a defiant look on his face. A teenager watching this remarks that the punch looks like it could have shattered a mountain and Superman just took it! lol. Well, Doomsday doesn't play as nice in the next shot, and kicks Superman through a house, I believe.

Anyway, Superman is used to not being affected by things, and sometimes he does stand there, taking the first blow, to show his opponent that he/she's in way over his/her head. However, he should knot the what to expect from the Green Lanterns so as not to make that much of a mistake. It would come down to the writer, though, as it always does.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Billy Mays

yes i am saying superman just stands there. he's too busy picking his nose and trying to make himself sneeze to pay attention to hal.

So you can't write this scenario withouth Superman being a moron and thus you can admit you're not even giving a proper take on Superman, but a incredibly biased one so you can have Superman lose immediatly.

supermans not letting anything happen. theres many comics that state that batman is prepared for these things. he has many plans and about 10 other contingency plans, thats part of the character.

So let's get this straight, your villanous Batman is letting America get into a nuclear winter situation which obviously will increase crime rates and chaos all over the continent, but Batman then would enter a nuclear zone just to get Superman, and there Superman would just lie withouth doing anything? Okay so in your fan fiction only Superman and Batman exist, but your Superman doesn't even wish to use the phantom zone technology which would just make everything much easier with the nukes?

Not only is this incredibly questionable fan fiction, but the bigger question is: Did you realize you wrote Batman as a bad guy in this little story?

in the end these debates, like the "comic fights", just come down to who the people like more.

That means little when one side provides good facts to support his claims and the other doesn't.

and for the dr fate and superman thing, im pretty sure its not that easy taking the helmet off. i dont know the character well but he's a damn fine magician

So you're fightning with assumptions and bias? Lost interest with your Dr. Fate argument right there.

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

So you can't write this scenario withouth Superman being a moron and thus you can admit you're not even giving a proper take on Superman, but a incredibly biased one so you can have Superman lose immediatly.



So let's get this straight, your villanous Batman is letting America get into a nuclear winter situation which obviously will increase crime rates and chaos all over the continent, but Batman then would enter a nuclear zone just to get Superman, and there Superman would just lie withouth doing anything? Okay so in your fan fiction only Superman and Batman exist, but your Superman doesn't even wish to use the phantom zone technology which would just make everything much easier with the nukes?

Not only is this incredibly questionable fan fiction, but the bigger question is: Did you realize you wrote Batman as a bad guy in this little story?



That means little when one side provides good facts to support his claims and the other doesn't.



So you're fightning with assumptions and bias? Lost interest with your Dr. Fate argument right there.

i never said anything biased or moronic about superman picking his nose to sneeze on hal. thats what you said he'd do right? he isnt gonna make himself sick for the fight. and whats bad about batman setting off a little nuke to block the suns rays from reaching superman? he doesnt hafta set it off near anyone. in fact he could launch it to space. i dont remember anything bad happening in DKR, superman threw it in the air away from people. why cant batman launch it like that? and what do you mean "Superman would just lie withouth doing anything"? what CAN he do? he was reduced to nothing in DKR, but once the smoke cleared, he regained his form. so batman can just launch a "weaker" nuke to make sure theres something left of superman to capture. and i will debate with you about dr fate. it is NO ASSUMPTION that he is a great magician. nor is it bias. like i said, he probably has a shield around him 24/7, i know i would if i had such a pathetic weakness. dont accuse me of being biased towards superman, he's my second favorite hero next to batman.

[Drazar]

You need to re-read TDKR and like i said about the super sneezing, by the way i love the fact i am in a debate using sneezing as an argument. I will never forget this argument and the sheer sillyness it has shown in itself, but hey about that again i'll repeat myself:

Sneezing is a body reaction due to something in the nostrils, allergic reactions or misslead nerve pulses and so forth, it doesn't take a genius to force yourself to sneeze at all.

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

You need to re-read TDKR and like i said about the super sneezing, by the way

I will never forget this argument and the sheer sillyness it has shown in itself, but hey about that again i'll repeat myself:

Sneezing is a body reaction due to something in the nostrils, allergic reactions or misslead nerve pulses and so forth, it doesn't take a genius to force yourself to sneeze at all.

but i dont need to re-read it, i was spot on. it hurt no one, and superman began to crumble away, but then "reconstructed" himself. and so is this whole fight on the off chance superman sneezes on GL? what will he be doing til then, running away?

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Billy Mays

but i dont need to re-read it, i was spot on. it hurt no one

Have you even read The Dark Knight Returns? the effect of the Nuke caused thousands to die due to the cold alone, thats not counting all the riots and other chaos that the blackout caused. You definatly need to re-read the last chapter of the book.

what will he be doing til then, running away?

Why would he need to? It's not diffucult to sneeze out at all.

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Have you even read The Dark Knight Returns? the effect of the Nuke caused thousands to die due to the cold alone, thats not counting all the riots and other chaos that the blackout caused. You definatly need to re-read the last chapter of the book.



Why would he need to? It's not diffucult to sneeze out at all.

im talking about the nuke on its own. and i believe i said "weaker" in a previous post. and im sure if superman went rogue, batman wouldnt mind killing a few people to kill the guy who can end humanity. have you seen how vicious he is in that comic? and the dark knight universe as a whole. and i dont know about you, but not everyone can sneeze willingly. so the whole time superman is shoving his finger up his nose, like i said hals gonna take the shot.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Billy Mays

im talking about the nuke on its own. and i believe i said "weaker" in a previous post.

It seems you have no idea about Nuclear winter or the effects of a nuclear bomb.

and im sure if superman went rogue, batman wouldnt mind killing a few people to kill the guy who can end humanity.

Yeah because taking the lives of civillians is exactly what the heroic Batman is about. Batman didn't even want to murder Joker but now you claim he would be more than okay to have thousands die and the whole economy would go downhill at the same time too. This is what i think of when i think about Batman.

have you seen how vicious he is in that comic? and the dark knight universe as a whole.

Didn't you want to not use the TDKR universe but your own fan fiction one? If we're counting DKR universe again, why can't we include Brainiac, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Lex Luthor into this? Noone of them would allow Batman to nuke things, not even Alfred, Catgirl or a properly written Batman would do that.

like i said hals gonna take the shot.

Nerve pulses don't require the nose picking, and i love how your Superman can't even multitask but Hal Jordan is going all out with his power ring and can survive long enough to take out Superman.

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

It seems you have no idea about Nuclear winter or the effects of a nuclear bomb.


Yeah because taking the lives of civillians is exactly what the heroic Batman is about. Batman didn't even want to murder Joker but now you claim he would be more than okay to have thousands die and the whole economy would go downhill at the same time too. This is what i think of when i think about Batman.



Didn't you want to not use the TDKR universe but your own fan fiction one? If we're counting DKR universe again, why can't we include Brainiac, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Lex Luthor into this? Noone of them would allow Batman to nuke things, not even Alfred, Catgirl or a properly written Batman would do that.



Nerve pulses don't require the nose picking, and i love how your Superman can't even multitask but Hal Jordan is going all out with his power ring and can survive long enough to take out Superman.

i used the DKU as an example of how vicious he can be, and it doesnt really have to be a "nuke" as much as something that shoots in the air that prevents the suns rays from reaching superman. use your imagination, i dont have to detail everything. and lets use batman killing civilians as an example about something: would you, personally, kill a few million people to save the world from superman? it sure as hell worked in watchmen. and i think its a worthy risk. and im willing to bet you cant make yourself sneeze by "nerve pulses", you'd at least need your hands. i never said he couldnt multitask, but up against someone like GL, youre not gonna stand around trying to make yourself sneeze. you better bring your A game against him.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Billy Mays

i used the DKU as an example of how vicious he can be, and it doesnt really have to be a "nuke" as much as something that shoots in the air that prevents the suns rays from reaching superman. use your imagination, i dont have to detail everything.

You definatly need to give better descriptions when you've now changed this weapon from a nuke into "something that prevents sun rays from reaching earth and thus Superman" what is this suppose to do? Superman still has sonar energy in him, do you think Superman loses his powers at night or something? Or are you still having Batman send 2 nukes?

and lets use batman killing civilians as an example about something: would you, personally, kill a few million people to save the world from superman? it sure as hell worked in watchmen.

Not only does this go againts how Batman as a hero has been written, you also seemed to ignore the open ending that Watchmen had, leaving it up to the reader to decide whenever or not Veidt saved the world momentary or for good, as Manhattan said: Nothing ever ends. It's your opinion whenever or not this was a good thing, as much as it is anyone elses'.

youre not gonna stand around trying to make yourself sneeze. you better bring your A game against him.

But i did point out freeze breath, super seed and eye lazors. It's you who keeps ignoring the context and having Superman just stand by like a doll. Or you know just TIME TRAVEL?

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by Drazar

You definatly need to give better descriptions when you've now changed this weapon from a nuke into "something that prevents sun rays from reaching earth and thus Superman" what is this suppose to do? Superman still has sonar energy in him, do you think Superman loses his powers at night or something? Or are you still having Batman send 2 nukes?


Not only does this go againts how Batman as a hero has been written, you also seemed to ignore the open ending that Watchmen had, leaving it up to the reader to decide whenever or not Veidt saved the world momentary or for good, as Manhattan said: Nothing ever ends. It's your opinion whenever or not this was a good thing, as much as it is anyone elses'.



But i did point out freeze breath, super seed and eye lazors. It's you who keeps ignoring the context and having Superman just stand by like a doll. Or you know just TIME TRAVEL?

it can be anything, it could even just be a giant smoke cloud. something that blocks the sun. and youre right, maybe it wont take his powers away, maybe itll just disinegrate superman again an batman will scoop up his ashes and have give them to catwoman

point is, that'd probably be the only way to stop superman, for batman anyway.

and im not getting into a watchmen debate, i was just using it as an example for this.
and i brought up time travel for dr fate too, but you ignored that, so im ignoring your claim of time travel

[airblitz7]

[QUOTE=Drazar;1574344]Oh i can believe he can make the device, and i did want the JLA satellite to be used aswell since they store alien technology there too. I still just don't see how Superman could lose to a man with a absorber gun alone, i mean if Superman wanted he wouldn't even need to use his powers to defeat Batman, just phantom zone technology. Brain beats brawn everytime.

By doing what?

I'm not going to bother answering this again.

But my question still remains the same: Can he cast any spell before Superman would take that helm off?

I'm not going to bother answeing this again. But, you know one of Dr Fate's powers are intangiblity? How's Superman going to take off that helmet if he can't touch Fate himself

Maybe sooner or later this debate won't even allow us to use post Crisis on Infinite Earth comics but only post-Infinite Crisis. Honestly i just rechecked Infinite Crisis where about 50 Green Lanterns we're holding Superboy-Prime as a prisoner and noone is using constructed kryptonite to hold him, so Geoff Johns reboot to Green Lantern franchise has completely so far ignored these moments where a Lantern has constructed Kryptonite, which seems to be only 2 comics ever written. DC comics present #26 and Kyle Rayner in a comic noone can find?

You know. I read the death of Superman and i saw Superman just taking hits from doomsday. So does that mean that whenever Superman gets into a fight he'll take the first hit?

So if you want to create a situation of Superman vs. Kyle Rayner, which Kyle Rayner incarnation do we want to take even? Obviously you guys probably want the Superman incarnation post-Crisis where he doesn't have Kryptonite immunity, but which Kyle Rayner? Your basic Green Lantern one or when he had Ion inside him? Eitherway Kyle does feel underwhelmed and pressured when he's with the big league, but now you can just go "oh no, we can't use novice Kyle!" But i mean, he kinda always feels that way, but hey if he wants to hold up againts Superman, who do you think is gonna run out of juice first?

I don't want to have a situation of Superman vs Kyle Rayner. Also, Rayner creates kryptonite in man of tomorrow #19 from 1996 - 1999. If I had the comic, i'd be more than happy to upload screens.

[Revan595]

Why i like the batman? cause HE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN!!

[batfan08]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Yes he can and you know this. Did you forget Superman seeing atoms, radio waves and so forth so fast?

I'm just curious,are you referring to All-Star?If so,couldn't this be one of his newfound powers from the high exposure to the sun?I know he has microscopic vision,but I always thought he had to concentrate to utilize this.Again,just curious.

[DarkKnightReturns]

Ugh, Jesus, SERIOUSLY at this point just rename the thread "Batman VS Superman", the original point is completely irrelevant now. I'm seriously sick of this off-topicness.

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by DarkKnightReturns

Ugh, Jesus, SERIOUSLY at this point just rename the thread "Batman VS Superman", the original point is completely irrelevant now. I'm seriously sick of this off-topicness.

out of the many people who see this thread, no one bothers posting their reasons, so its not hurting anyone. maybe only 3 or 4 people have. if you have a reason, let us hear it

[DarkKnightReturns]

Originally Posted by Billy Mays

out of the many people who see this thread, no one bothers posting their reasons, so its not hurting anyone. maybe only 3 or 4 people have. if you have a reason, let us hear it

I did post my reasons, many pages ago, and nobody even bothered to comment on them. I contributed to the topic, I've remained on-topic for the majority of my time posting in it, but trying any further is obsolete when nobody else is even going to do it.

[LemonLoafer]

Too. Many. Posts.

[Billy Mays]

Originally Posted by DarkKnightReturns

I like Batman for countless reasons. But I would have to say that one of the big ones is that, to me, he's one of the most unique characters to ever exist. This may sound confusing at first, because when you think about it, Batman may initially sound anything but unique these days; there's countless characters who imitate him, and those who have some story element involving revenge or their parents dying or both, etc. and also Bob Kane had many influences in creating him, including, but not limited to, Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, and horror movies of the 1930's. So why in the world would Batman be unique?

Well, I really don't know where to start. He's terrifying and utilizes the ultimate symbols of darkness and evil, yet he's one of the purest, most heroic and selfless protagonists out there. We know so much of him and yet know so little; everybody pretty much knows he's Bruce Wayne and about the Batcave and other basic facts of common knowledge, and yet he's so mysterious and unpredictable, with so many complex thoughts and emotions. He's completely human, yet utilizes mostly unconventional weaponry and poses a threat to most other characters in existence without practically ever using a single firearm. He comes off as a mystical, supernatural, otherwordly creature, yet is a man thriving purely off of logic, science and reason. He's a definite charmer of the ladies and a great friend for those he knows how it feels to go through their experiences, yet he's more alone in so many ways than most people will ever be. He's mean-spirited and cruel to his worst, most unforgivable enemies, yet as compassionate as can be to those in need, including tragic figures like Two-Face and Mr. Freeze. There's really too much to list all in one post. I know no other character who is so distinct and unique in the same manners as Batman. Those who attempt to emulate him, either shallow parodies like Catman of Nickelodeon's Fairly Oddparents and Tek-Knight of The Boys or serious attempts like Nite Owl from Watchmen ultimately end up falling short of everything that encompasses what and who he is.

here we'll kickstart this thread back on track.

poses a threat to most other characters in existence without practically ever using a single firearm

this is what i love about the character. sure some incarnations have shown batman use firearms, but the fact that he can go against gangsters and thugs with guns and explosives and he takes them out with fist and wits is really something.

serious attempts like Nite Owl from Watchmen

i like to think of him as a mix between nite owl and rorschach.

[DarkKnightReturns]

[QUOTE=Billy Mays;1575341
this is what i love about the character. sure some incarnations have shown batman use firearms, but the fact that he can go against gangsters and thugs with guns and explosives and he takes them out with fist and wits is really something.[/QUOTE]

Definitely, it's absolutely amazing. I can hardly think of any other characters who can accomplish this same feat.

[QUOTE=Billy Mays;1575341
i like to think of him as a mix between nite owl and rorschach.[/QUOTE]

Something else I love about Batman but I find seldom addressed is how truly terrifying he is. A lot of people prefer anti-hero characters like Rorschach, Punisher, etc. because of their acceptance of killing criminals, and see Batman not killing as a weakness, not a strength. I think this makes Batman more terrifying, because in his darker incarnations (especially Frank Miller's work) he'll give his enemies horribly painful permanent injuries that leave them crippled or disfigured for the rest of their lives, if they really deserve it, giving them a fate worse than death since they're forced to survive and endure the pain, with their injuries a constant daily reminder of Batman having punished them for what they've done. I've yet to see this happen, but I want to see this version of him in writing combined with the art of someone like Kelley Jones, who truly makes him out to be a mythical, fearsome, beastly figure as his costume is intended to make him look; those elements combined would make him the truly terrifying and mortifying character I imagine him to be, one of the scariest and most badass heroes to exist IMO.