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[Riddling Artist]

Hmmm, I thoroughly enjoyed The Grey Albeit for completely different reasons than you listed. It was pretty predictable, but I think it's brilliant in its handling of death. The whole death will sweep over you motif that s established early in the film keeps popping up and it amazing. I can really respect Joe Carnahan for that.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

I've started reading Peter David's Hulk run. I'm only up to 341 (it started on 331) and storywise its been excellent but unfortunately I'm having a hard time working through this terrible Todd McFarlane art. One of the most often cited appeals of the early David Hulk work is seeing McFarlane develop as an artist, but I just don't get it. He seems to be devolving with every issue to the point where now every figure is a confused jumble of broken lines and grotesque details. Its gotten to the point where I don't know how much more I can take. Just gotta keep telling myself that there are only 5 more issues of this garbage.

Thats an utter shame to hear. Atleast Joe Fixit is being awesome i hope? How is the status quo? How are the Hulk's foes? Do the X-Men/Defenders/Avengers even know Joe Fixit is the Hulk or?

[A Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Thats because you seemingly ignored the first 10 minutes of the movie. Ignoring context isn't anything new when it comes to bad debates in the internet.

Um, no, I already told you that I watched the movie in the middle of January. Sorry if I don't perfectly remember the first ten minutes of the film.

You don't see it as rude to laugh at your own boss and remark how much of a failure the new form is going to be? Only to realize it's actually a huge success.

I guess. But his boss was a bit of a douche anyway, so there's that.

Thats not an excuse or a reason to behave like George did.

And what was so horrible about the way he behaved? A one off scene and suddenly he's a douche?

She didn't insult anyone on purpose, she was just having a high time and said things she shouldn't have. She immediately apologizes unlike George does to anyone.

Now that is not an excuse.

She had helped George ever since his downfall began. Geoge just didn't know that.

Sort of. You have to refresh my memory on this stuff. I don't remember minute details from films I watch.

How was his acting great? Outside of the dancing, he has the same smirk during the entire movie and just says random words since those aren't recorded. How is this good acting?

That's trivializing it to an enormous degree.

The Oscars are relevant since they happen today.

That doesn't change the fact that I never brought them up in the first place.

Also you still haven't explained or defended how the Artist's story is somehow great, not gimmicky.

I already explained why I enjoyed the story. Reread my posts if you want.

How the ending is supposingly "perfect" and why this movie supposingly has great acting from the lead.

The ending ties everything together in a really nice way. You see the culmination of Miller's stardom being intertwined with George's. I just really loved it.

Yet you claim i am the one who doesn't continue the discussion forward? Heh Heh

I never said such a thing.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by A Dark Knight

Um, no, I already told you that I watched the movie in the middle of January. Sorry if I don't perfectly remember the first ten minutes of the film.

Which would mean you've already forgotten important traits of the lead character and a minor character, so that'd mean:

Why do you consider this such a great movie? Why does it have a perfect ending and great acting? You don't remember important parts of it.

I guess. But his boss was a bit of a douche anyway, so there's that.

Moving the indrustry forward to keep the cinema alive is rude because? He opened George back with open arms, how was he a douché at all during this movie? He simply canceled all silent movie productions because they knew talkies would sell and they did, considering George's own movie was a flop.

And what was so horrible about the way he behaved? A one off scene and suddenly he's a douche?

Flirting with other women especially during that time of the year would be as bad as taking another man's gal for a picnic or so. Not to mention he was so self centered that i've already explained to you his relationship with John Goodman's character. Oh yeah, lets not forget the driver he had either.

Now that is not an excuse.

Because?

Sort of. You have to refresh my memory on this stuff. I don't remember minute details from films I watch.

Forgetting important story turn overs and character progressions is a pretty awful habbit especially when you're trying to defend this movie and and claim it's good. If this movie was so good, how can you forget these things?

Peppy Miller used her money to financially support George behind the scenes and went as far as to take him to her custody from the hospital later on.

That's trivializing it to an enormous degree.

That doesn't answer my question, you have no examples of his acting and one could wonder what you remember about it.

That doesn't change the fact that I never brought them up in the first place.

Why is this important to you? This isn't a private conversation, i wanted to brought the Oscars up. Why are you taking this stance?

I already explained why I enjoyed the story. Reread my posts if you want.

But considering you don't remember much of it and i only find out about it now, it's still hard to believe what you exactly liked about the story.

The ending ties everything together in a really nice way. You see the culmination of Miller's stardom being intertwined with George's. I just really loved it.

Fair enough, it does have a full circle ending, i agree on that.

I never said such a thing.

You acted snobbish when i liked another more more than Ghost Rider and went to further continue your rude behaviour by stating conversations with me lead to nowhere fast, when it is you who now reveal you don't remember important parts of the movie and don't explain why Jean Ducardin was a good actor or the enjoyment of the story you don't remember.

EDIT: To wrap it nicely, how can this movie be truly so good if you don't remember much of it? I mean, we're talking important character moments and plot points here, if anything it seemed you simply liked it and it was okay, which is how i felt.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Originally Posted by Drazar

Thats an utter shame to hear. Atleast Joe Fixit is being awesome i hope? How is the status quo? How are the Hulk's foes? Do the X-Men/Defenders/Avengers even know Joe Fixit is the Hulk or?

Its actually a really good story. I don't want to give too much away, but the run starts with Rick Jones as Savage Hulk, Bruce without any Hulk, General Ross dead, the Leader powerfuless and a bunch of crazy stuff happening with SHIELD. I'm pretty sure David joined right in the middle of a story arc and had to resolve everything. Of course, Bruce exposes himself to radiation and becomes Hulk again and he is, of course, grey. Not that this is how he changed from green to grey in the first place (that happens in 324, which I haven't read, but it was the same thing that led to Rick Jones becoming Hulk). This instantly starts working into a crazy new storyline with no real status quo, a very issue-to-issue thrillride until around the half-way point.

The storyline goes for the entire McFarlane run, which ends in 345 (346 is the epilogue and is Larsen finishing McFarlane's layouts). So you have that one big 15 issue (plus epilogue) storyline which features Betty being hugely conflicted over her relationship with Bruce, Bruce dealing with the problems the new Hulk brings (since the transformations are on a schedule hes completely vulnerable in the daytime, if he gets attacked he won't transform). There are some really great issues here and the grey Hulk is a very awesome character. He truly is a sarcastic jerk and you think that just maybe under that rough exterior theres a heart of gold but nope, hes got a heart of jerk. Well, with maybe a little gold. Anyway, not to give away the details, the story ends with the Hulk (and Bruce) assumed dead. Its during this time that Hulk sets up shop in Vegas as Joe Fixit.

The Joe Fixit stuff is completely awesome. So insanely mindbendingly crazy awesome. The best part is theres no real build up to it. One issue Hulk is dead, the next hes wearing a suit, living in a swanky Vegas penthouse and getting it on. Yeah, Hulk has sex. His boss sends some "company" to his penthouse and he says she was scared at first but judging from the look on her face Ol' Joe knows what hes doing. In fact, this lady (Marlo) becomes Joe's love interest and becomes a pretty major character. The main conflict here is the return of Bruce Banner. Hulk hasn't changed back to Banner in three months but now hes starting to feel him inside of his head again. He can't have much exposure to the sun either, as it was explaining earlier that sunlight weakens grey Hulk and strengthens Banner.

This is actually pretty interesting, as its used for more than just a werewolf gimmick. The full moon makes grey Hulk weak because moonlight is just reflected sunlight and that brings out more of Banner's emotions. On the flip side, the new moon makes him the strongest and most savage. And near sunset Bruce is more aggressive and short-tempered. The explanation for this is when the gamma bomb detonated the radiation in the sunlight counteracted some of the gamma rays. Pure comic book!

But back on Fixit. When hes in the sunlight he can feel Bruce growing stronger and trying to get out. Of course, eventually he succeeds and the classic Hulk scenario is reversed: Instead of Hulk interrupting Bruce's life Bruce is now interupting Hulk's life. Once Bruce is in the mix things go downhill for Joe, both with Marlo and with his boss. Again, I don't want to give anything away but by 359 the Joe Fixit Las Vegas stuff seems to be over for good. So hes Joe Fixit for around a year's worth of issues.

Starting with 347 Jeff Purve's pencilled the book and I think hes a big improvement over McFarlane. Towards the end McFarlane was using too much detail and muddying things up. Purves does cleaner work and hits his stride pretty soon after the start of his run. The art takes another big boost when Marie Severin takes over inks and gives everything more weight. And now I've just hit 367, which is Dale Keown's first issue. And boy, has the quality really ramped up. When people talk about great Hulk artists Keown's name comes up a lot and he really deserves it.

Considering the run started in the middle of a storyarc, its really great and keeps getting better. For reference, Hulk goes Joe Fixit in Visionaries Volume 2 and hangs up the suit in Volume 4, so if you want to only read the Joe Fixit chapters thats what you go for. But I recommend starting from Volume 1.

And to answer your specific questions, there are some awesome baddies, both old and new. The Leader is especially evil. Nobody knew Hulk was Joe Fixit (or even still alive) but as the run goes on more and more people gradually clue in.

Edit: Getting further into the Keown stuff. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say he revolutionized the character's look. This is the first time in the 40 issues I've read, that I've seen a Hulk that I call modern. Basically, more like this:



Than like this:



Just awesome.

[batfan08]

I, unfortunately, have not yet seen The Artist, however, I would like to give an outsiders point of view. For starters, Drazar, buddy, ADK is making valid points, consistently asking "why?" is not the way to go about things. He's giving you a straight answer, and you're beating around the bush. Another thing, not being crystal clear on something doesn't equate to the film not being "memorable" enough, stop using ADK's lack of clarity on 10 minutes out of a 100 minute movie as a crutch. Also, refarding how you brought The Oscars into this, you left yourself wide-open in regards to the "Jean Dujardin as an actor" debate, he just won best actor in a leading role, Draz, I think that's a pretty good indicator of his performance in my opinion. Even if it is just an example of a film being "Oscarbait," with Haznavicus winning Best Director, Dujardin winning best actor, and The Artist taking Best Picture, "Oscarbait" or not, the fish were biting, and they pulled in a fifty pounder. Just my perspective on things, feel free to debate/criticize/deconstruct this to the fullest extent.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I enjoyed the movie, it was sooo bad tho. good action. LOVED THE EDITING!!! Hated the acting, and plot....Im assuming its not a direct sequel to the original since they changed a lot of things with his back story and compeletely disregarded the other people from the first film

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

Its actually a really good story. I don't want to give too much away, but the run starts with Rick Jones as Savage Hulk, Bruce without any Hulk, General Ross dead, the Leader powerfuless and a bunch of crazy stuff happening with SHIELD.

Haha whaaaaat?! Rick Jones as Green Hulk?! Ross Dead?! Oh my.

The storyline goes for the entire McFarlane run, which ends in 345 (346 is the epilogue and is Larsen finishing McFarlane's layouts). So you have that one big 15 issue (plus epilogue) storyline which features Betty being hugely conflicted over her relationship with Bruce, Bruce dealing with the problems the new Hulk brings (since the transformations are on a schedule hes completely vulnerable in the daytime, if he gets attacked he won't transform). There are some really great issues here and the grey Hulk is a very awesome character. He truly is a sarcastic jerk and you think that just maybe under that rough exterior theres a heart of gold but nope, hes got a heart of jerk. Well, with maybe a little gold. Anyway, not to give away the details, the story ends with the Hulk (and Bruce) assumed dead. Its during this time that Hulk sets up shop in Vegas as Joe Fixit.

The Joe Fixit stuff is completely awesome. So insanely mindbendingly crazy awesome. The best part is theres no real build up to it. One issue Hulk is dead, the next hes wearing a suit, living in a swanky Vegas penthouse and getting it on. Yeah, Hulk has sex. His boss sends some "company" to his penthouse and he says she was scared at first but judging from the look on her face Ol' Joe knows what hes doing. In fact, this lady (Marlo) becomes Joe's love interest and becomes a pretty major character. The main conflict here is the return of Bruce Banner. Hulk hasn't changed back to Banner in three months but now hes starting to feel him inside of his head again. He can't have much exposure to the sun either, as it was explaining earlier that sunlight weakens grey Hulk and strengthens Banner.

This is actually pretty interesting, as its used for more than just a werewolf gimmick. The full moon makes grey Hulk weak because moonlight is just reflected sunlight and that brings out more of Banner's emotions. On the flip side, the new moon makes him the strongest and most savage. And near sunset Bruce is more aggressive and short-tempered. The explanation for this is when the gamma bomb detonated the radiation in the sunlight counteracted some of the gamma rays. Pure comic book!


But back on Fixit. When hes in the sunlight he can feel Bruce growing stronger and trying to get out. Of course, eventually he succeeds and the classic Hulk scenario is reversed: Instead of Hulk interrupting Bruce's life Bruce is now interupting Hulk's life. Once Bruce is in the mix things go downhill for Joe, both with Marlo and with his boss. Again, I don't want to give anything away but by 359 the Joe Fixit Las Vegas stuff seems to be over for good. So hes Joe Fixit for around a year's worth of issues.

Man this sounds magical, i also like to hear it was well over worth 12 issues so you Peter David was really allowed to go full details on Joe Fixit's crime empire story. Gosh i've always been fascinated by Joe Fixit. Also yeah the Werewolf gimmick is comedic.

Considering the run started in the middle of a storyarc, its really great and keeps getting better. For reference, Hulk goes Joe Fixit in Visionaries Volume 2 and hangs up the suit in Volume 4, so if you want to only read the Joe Fixit chapters thats what you go for. But I recommend starting from Volume 1.

I'll wait and see, you never know if the upcoming Hulk tv series might get Omnibuses out or a possible 3rd Hulk movie.

Thanks alot for your insight, absolute pleasure to read.

Originally Posted by batfan08

I, unfortunately, have not yet seen The Artist

Thats why you can't defend Dark Knight's memory when it comes to important plot points and character traits. This isn't just simply the first ten minutes.

"Jean Dujardin as an actor" debate, he just won best actor in a leading role, Draz

And your point is? So many great movies we're snobbed and instead many clear Oscar Bait movies put in their place. What value is there for the actor category when movies like Drive, Warrior, X-Men, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, J. Edgar, 50/50, Shame, Carnage and so many more get completely snobbed more or less.

George Clooney did so much better job as an actor from the Descendants then Jean Dujardin does in the Artist. You've seen the movie so i don't need to get into detail and i've already expressed why Dujardin's actingin the Artist isn't special. It just happens this was a movie as a love letter to Hollywood, so of course the Oscars who love themselves decide to give top Oscars to a movie like that.

Yet this show is also getting so desperate at younger viewerships that they gave Twilight a montage, whats next? Will they even place Twilight in 2012's Oscars for best editing/sound just in vain hopes for more younger viewers? Is this really the show you wanna use as your defense for someone's acting?

Originally Posted by Batman The Trailer Hunter

I enjoyed the movie, it was sooo bad tho. good action. LOVED THE EDITING!!! Hated the acting, and plot....Im assuming its not a direct sequel to the original since they changed a lot of things with his back story and compeletely disregarded the other people from the first film

How could you hate the acting? Yeah this movie wasn't a sequel, they called it a Requel but i just didn't care about the 1st movie and neither did the directors. The action was good, but still we need a good opponent next time for Ghost Rider.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Yep, Rick Jones became Hulk when he fell in a nutrient bath that Banner and Hulk were in. Or something. Its a shame that issues 320-330 remain uncollected but apparently those stories aren't too good anyway.

Anyways, I just finished Hulk #378, aka the final issue with Joe Fixit. Its just a done-in-one telling one last fun adventure with Joe, as #377 featured Joe, Bruce and Hulk all merging into a singular personality. You could count all of the run up until this point as one massive story, with #379 being the start of a new story. Its kind of insane to think that the run went another 90 issues. Everything I just read, 53 issues (including a crossover with Spider-Man, a crossover with the FF, two 8-page features in Marvel comics presents, an annual and a double-sized issue) would, if collected in an omnibus, be even larger than Walt Simonson's Mighty Thor run and this is only the first third of the run. It just boggles the mind at how huge this is.

Its a shame Marvel is still putting out the Visionaries trades. Odds are thats whats preventing them from releasing an omnibus. This is a run that is truly worthy of the format, its the sort of run the format was made for. Its the perfect blend of action, humour, romance, psychological drama and even a bit of horror (imagine Bruce being transformed into a 1/3 Bruce, 1/3 Grey Hulk and 1/3 Savage Hulk monster as Joe and Hulk fight inside his head) spread out in an impossibly huge pile of twists and turns, long epic arcs mixed with off-beat done in ones, battles with both domestic violence and Satan himself. My only wish is that they could have somehow gotten Dale Keown to draw every issue, his art is astounding (especially considering the time period). One fool told me that this material wasn't worthy of being omni'd, that it was only notable for its length and not its quality. And to that knave I say thee nay!

[batfan08]

I was simply bringing up the fact that you brought the Oscars into this, I simply refuted your point of how Dujardin isn't a good actor by stating, that, whether or not the Oscars are biased, they have 84 years worth of credibility in the film community, therefore, there must be at least some merit in Dujardin's performance, at least enough for him to be given one of actings highest honors.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

Its a shame Marvel is still putting out the Visionaries trades. Odds are thats whats preventing them from releasing an omnibus. This is a run that is truly worthy of the format, its the sort of run the format was made for. Its the perfect blend of action, humour, romance, psychological drama and even a bit of horror (imagine Bruce being transformed into a 1/3 Bruce, 1/3 Grey Hulk and 1/3 Savage Hulk monster as Joe and Hulk fight inside his head) spread out in an impossibly huge pile of twists and turns, long epic arcs mixed with off-beat done in ones, battles with both domestic violence and Satan himself. My only wish is that they could have somehow gotten Dale Keown to draw every issue, his art is astounding (especially considering the time period). One fool told me that this material wasn't worthy of being omni'd, that it was only notable for its length and not its quality. And to that knave I say thee nay!

Is the Fantastic Four crossover Peter David's take on Walter Simonson's Fantastic Four with Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Wolverine and the Hulk or wasn't that later on like the 90s? Yeha the Joe Fixit stuff sounds great and i'm really trying to turn myself into an OHC/Omnibus guyonly with a few selected softcovers like Batman vs. Bane

Originally Posted by batfan08

I was simply bringing up the fact that you brought the Oscars into this, I simply refuted your point of how Dujardin isn't a good actor by stating, that, whether or not the Oscars are biased, they have 84 years worth of credibility in the film community, therefore, there must be at least some merit in Dujardin's performance, at least enough for him to be given one of actings highest honors.

the Oscars being chosen by grumpy old men doesn't give any credibilityto them since they just pick their own favorites. I mean, are you saying it's not a shock or a surprise that the two most winning movies this year just both happened to be tributes to the Golden Age of Hollywood/Movies/Cinema?

Also someone pointed out this nicely, if Dujardin (seriously i keep saying him as Ducard lol) deserves an Oscar for being a silent actor, what about Andy Serkis? When you look at the behind the scenes on how he acted, you give the man more credit then you give to WETA'S CGI.

Not to mention the Best Actor (Male) had stars like Clooney, Oldman and Brad Pitt, with Dujardin being relative new to the world of cinema and this being practically his debut worldwide recognition role. Now the point i am getting here is that Clooney, Oldman and Pitt all could have done this role, and i'd argue easily even better because like i keep saying. Dujardin just had this smirk, but man could he dance.

Oldman is a chameleon and that seems to be his downfall, samething with Leonardo Dicaprio who got snobbed, but i guess portraying an honest picture of J. Edgar was too much for the Oscars? Samething with Michael Fassbender and his movie the Shame. Don't even make me started with how badly Drive got snobbed. My love for Drive (and Bronson and Valhalla Rising) has me going so excited for "Only God Forgives" that even the Dark Knight Rises is only the 2nd movie, but i guess i can be easily more hyped for TDK Rises because it's going to have heavy promotion with cool trailers and dat Hans Zimmer track.

Also let me put it this way, what Oscar is going to be remembered in 5/10/15 years more: Heath Ledger's role for the Joker or Dujardin for the Artist?

What movie is going to be more memorized and arguebly even more pop culture iconic: Forest Gump, Back to the Future, Ghost Busters, Batman franchise or the Artist? Now you can counter argument this with "well what about Bayformers and Twilight!!!!" but man those are not classic cinema, while my examples are classic, sure majority is classic comedy, but still classic.

Also another thing i'd like to point out about Batman Begins majorly, this movie changed cinema world, because it inspired reboots with a hyper realistic take, sure now you can put in an argument towards Avatar's 3D, but that was bastardized with Hollywood just converting 2D to 3D, but luckily we do have people like Peter Jackson who want to take 3D to the next level. However i am still more fan of IMAX, because man isn't the Blu-ray quality for the Dark Knight just fabulous?

TLDR: No more Oscar Porn (yes, i like this phrase more then Oscar Bait, lets use it) and more movies that actually reflect on us. Lord of the Rings, Nolan Batman, Harry Potter, oh let me make this statement:

Harry Potter franchise doesn't have any negative critism, it has for years been a well received and well earning franchise and yet noone gets any Oscar recognition for keeping the quality up so high? How many people do you think will remember this movie compared to the Artist or King's Speech even.

I mean, the Academy is getting desperate at getting younger viewerships and they even did the Twilight montage. What does (according to the Oscars, 84 years of experience) Twilight have anything to do with classic cinema? WHAT?! I bet Twilight will get Oscar nominations for Sound Editing, CGI and maybe even Best Picture next year just so the Oscars can hope for an increase on viewers.

[Old_BenKenobi]

The FF is the classic lineup, though it really is just a Hulk vs Thing fight. But man is it a great fight. I mean, Hulk is hired by Dr Doom for crying out loud!

[batfan08]

I'm not saying I agree, but I have found the academy to be highly revered, and, again, they have 84 years worth of credibility on their side. Whether I agree or not is besides the point, generally speaking, the final verdict of one of the most prestigious academies in the film industry being refuted by an amateur film critic doesn't seem like it would equate to your opinion being the one widely regarded as the "superior" one. My point is that, grumpy old men or not, most people are bound to acknowledge their decision as at least somewhat credible, due, if not to their credibility, then at least by their history. Also, does anyone "Oscarbait" to "Oscarporn?"( you can't tell me the thought didn't run through your mind at least once.)

[Old_BenKenobi]

I wouldn't say the Oscars are only decided by grumpy old men. There are almost 6000 voters and they aren't film critics, they're working members in the industry. Even further, they only vote within their own categories. Actors vote for best actors, directors vote for the best director, etc.

Theres a reason the Oscars are widely considered to be the most honest of the big ceremonies. If you want to see true corruption just look at the Grammys.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I actually really liked the first Ghost rider movie...


And the Avengers will have a new trailer this week

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by batfan08

I'm not saying I agree, but I have found the academy to be highly revered, and,

Highly revered by whom? Last generation? The handful of actors who truly idolized the Oscars and now wish one? The viewership for Oscars is just shrinking down and the most memorable thing from this year's Oscars was the Dictator sketch.

Originally Posted by batfan08

again, they have 84 years worth of credibility on their side.

You try to imply here that these 84 years would be spotless decisions of cinema history and movies truly deserving to win. Oscar history is full of snobs and disappointments from actors to moviegoers alike.

Whether I agree or not is besides the point, generally speaking, the final verdict of one of the most prestigious academies in the film industry being refuted by an amateur film critic doesn't seem like it would equate to your opinion being the one widely regarded as the "superior" one.

Now what makes the academies non-amateurish with their decisions? Because of lasting presence thats dwindling? Honoring Twilight? Practically favoring the same people with nominations and awards? What truly makes them so professional outside of the fact they've lasted so long? I mean, you can put the good ol' fashioned McDonalds argument here for example and you know it.

My point is that, grumpy old men or not, most people are bound to acknowledge their decision as at least somewhat credible, due, if not to their credibility, then at least by their history.

Somewhat being now that the Oscars love Cameron, Allen, Scorsere, Streep, Pitt, Clooney and so forth does not make them credible. It just shows they favor their favorites and friends while snob away the movies that actually have a lasting impact on our culture, however there are surprises that the Oscars allow mainstream to win, the most evident being all the Oscars Return of the King took.

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

The FF is the classic lineup, though it really is just a Hulk vs Thing fight. But man is it a great fight. I mean, Hulk is hired by Dr Doom for crying out loud!

Oh, now you just have to spoil me what was Hulk going to receive from Dr. Doom after he would have murdered the FF.

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

Theres a reason the Oscars are widely considered to be the most honest of the big ceremonies. If you want to see true corruption just look at the Grammys.

Replace honest with "prentious snobbery that time to time tries to please the mainstream while overall loving the ever out of Allen, Clooney, Pitt, Streep, Scorsere, Eastwood" and the list goes on and i'll agree!

@Trailer Hunter: Don't be too excited, it is very likely just a different take on the Superbowl trailer.

[Old_BenKenobi]

As I said, voted for by 6000 peers. Its not a group of 12 old men sitting around and deciding on the best movies that nobody has ever seen, its 6000 people voting on what they think is best. Pretentious? Nah. I'd chalk it up to a disconnect between whats good and whats popular. I'd say that the general population has bad taste before I'd say the Academy is corrupt or snobbish.

And I think the decline in viewership is due to a general lack of interest in award shows. The only award shows that are actually popular are the ones filled with lip-synced performances, skits, gimmicks and cameos (VGAs anyone?). Nobody today really wants to watch 3 hours of people saying thank you.

And Doom basically wanted to hired Hulk to win back Latveria for him, with the reward of being Prime Minister. Hulk refused and so Doom said he might go hire the Thing instead... Cue Hulk going to New York to lay the smack down on Ben Grimm.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

As I said, voted for by 6000 peers. Its not a group of 12 old men sitting around and deciding on the best movies that nobody has ever seen, its 6000 people voting on what they think is best. Pretentious? Nah. I'd chalk it up to a disconnect between whats good and whats popular. I'd say that the general population has bad taste before I'd say the Academy is corrupt or snobbish.

Well, if we wanna use the Ghost Rider template and use Rotten Tomatoes as an example, here'sa few:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drive_2011/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1212910-warrior/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rise...t_of_the_apes/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_...dragon_tattoo/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/5050_2011/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/shame_2011/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/carnage/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_first_class/

Then you have movies like Iron Lady (53%) and J.Edgar (44%) but Meryl still wins an Oscar, but Dicaprio doesn't even get an nomination from his outstandingly beautiful portrayal of J. Edgar?

Oh and the real reason i put X-Men there is because of how nicely Matthew Vaughn edited/cut/paced/directed the movie with such an rushed timelimit he had. Jane Goldman should get praise for her script too, that duo did magic together alongside what Rupert Wyatt ,Andy Serkis & WETA did with Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

Nobody today really wants to watch 3 hours of people saying thank you.

Haha i see you watched the 2010 Oscars? That really was all the Actors quite literally just thanking the Oscars for getting awarded. I don't know, you bring a valid point, but i'd still say there'd be more interest if it wasn't for all the Oscar Porns out there just to win some awards = gain free advertisement = $$$$$

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

And Doom basically wanted to hired Hulk to win back Latveria for him, with the reward of being Prime Minister. Hulk refused and so Doom said he might go hire the Thing instead... Cue Hulk going to New York to lay the smack down on Ben Grimm.

Mother of God this comic sounds pure awesomesauce. I'd also wish if Peter David's Aquaman and Young Justice would get some recognition with trades.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Well any award show in general suffers from it. People just aren't interested in hearing speeches from actors, directors, etc and the internet means you don't even have to watch the ceremony, you get an instant feed of winners and losers. Thats why you have crapfests like the Grammys, the MTV Music Awards and the VGAs being popular. They bring a spectacle to draw a crowd. The VGAs last year only actually awarded what, four awards?

I also think the internet has damaged televised awards due to the fact that any website can have a list of movies/games/albums/etc that it deems best of the year, diluting the significance the Oscars have.

On the topic of Peter David, I've read some of his Aquaman... not my cup of tea. Actually he kind of did the same thing with Aquaman that he did with Hulk, giving these old underappreciated characters a radical makeover. With Hulk I think it worked spectacularly. With Aquaman I don't think it was nearly as effective. Mainly because with Hulk it was used to add layers to the character by establishing Banner as having multiple personality disorder with the various Hulks representing the emotions Banner repressed at different times in his life. With Aquaman it was just bringing him down into a meaner and nastier character.

[The Hylden]

I wish Day 1 Studios whould have been able to sell their cape physics to Rocksteady

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1219538p1.html

Seriously, that cape is sa-weet! The game didn't sound half bad either, though I think it would work better now as opposed to when it was pitched.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Those cape physics are really nuts.

[A Dark Knight]

Can you just let it go already? I enjoyed the movie and you didn't enjoy it quite as much. I'm not explaining every single thing I liked about a movie that I saw a month ago (doesn't help that I had a terrible seat right at the front). And it just won 5 Oscars, which means that it must have some merit as a good film. At least, it might to you since you keep bringing them up.

I am annoyed that Rise of the Planet of the Apes got snubbed though. Such a brilliant movie. Still need to see Drive.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Dang that cape was impressive

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by A Dark Knight

Can you just let it go already?

You act elitist but can't stand up or explain your stance at all? Oh Dark Knight...

See, i just wanted to show how inapproriate your behaviour is. You act like you can snob someone's tastes/preferences/whatever and when called out you pretty much show that your experience with the Artist wasn't even truly as memorable as you thought. Thats how i feel about this conversation, because you avoid so much this conversation went nowhere fast with you.

So next time when you may find it prepostorous that someone can enjoy another movie over another, you can either talk why you disagree with that or you just don't make a comment.

And it just won 5 Oscars, which means that it must have some merit as a good film.

None whatsoever.

Still need to see Drive.

You're American, you guys got Red Box (or what's it's name) that allows you to rent recent movies with just a few bucks. Definitely worth the look.

Originally Posted by The Hylden

I wish Day 1 Studios whould have been able to sell their cape physics to Rocksteady

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1219538p1.html

Seriously, that cape is sa-weet! The game didn't sound half bad either, though I think it would work better now as opposed to when it was pitched.

If Gotham City Imposter sales are strong, they could just get Day 1 Studios to make this into an HD game that costs 16$? Maybe? One can always blindly hope.

So Ben/Batfan08, how excited are you two for Django Unchained? You guys know i don't really care for Westerns, but i love me some Tarantino, Dicaprio, Waltz and Jackson. I hope we get a trailer sooner or later, alongside for Dark Shadows.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Haven't been following DJango and don't have much cash for movies but I have a feeling I'll give it a go. Not the hugest Tarantino fan though.