new Tomb Raider 18+ - your thoughts

[Metalrocks]

Originally Posted by Madenice

To get back ontopic: I don't mind having the game M-rated, as stated somewhere above, I was there from the beginning and I'm old enough now to get some Mature related Tomb Raider stories/adventure :P

it surely is a good move. gives the whole franchise a change which i think was needed. the younger once always can play the older games but us who grew up with the the franchise since day 1, deserve a game for our age group.

[Lyle Croft]

i'll still buy it to be honest even if i am 15

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by Lyle Croft

i'll still buy it to be honest even if i am 15

And we'll never let anyone know about that

**hello FBI, I'd like to leave an anonymous tip about an underaged minor with posession of contraband...**

[Triangle3]

The M-rating is going to make the game more realistic and give it much more edge. It's the right choice.

[TRPhasetastic]

Cast off the restraints with M-rating so they have full creative freedom.

[Transgress]

It's a good step, alot of T rated games that try to be serious often feel like the characters want to express something, but they have it stuck in their throats because of an invisible barrier.

[LadyRufina]

Ok so an M rating is like an 18+ and a T rating is like a 15+ in North America?

[Elliot Kane]

Roughly Lady R, yeah.

M = 'Mature' and T = Teen, IIRC. Except that Teen doesn't seem to quite mean Teen, but still!

[Metalrocks]

in australia they have G, PG, M, MA.
and since they have finally agreed to have 18+ rating for games, we will have a R 18+ on the game box.
not sure where tomb raider 9 will be. they probably will sell the game a month later as they did with the last 3 games.

[GemmaDarkmoon]

One of the biggest trends at the moment in gaming is the shooter and the push there is for more realistic violence. That's pushing the gaming world more to that direction and TR needs to position it's self tactically. M-rating seems a good way to do that.

[Darkwoodsoftime]

Today EuroGamer posted an article . i didn't read the whole thing but i must say , this is getting a little Weird and creepy , i mean read the Title " : Lara Croft attempted rape will make Tomb Raider players want to "protect" her "

this is Stupid IMO

[TranceTrouble]

hehe i read the article and i can see what they mean with it but it is indeed a weird title

but they have a good point, with those kind of scenes the player will get more involved/caring about Lara.

[dark7angel]

^There's a lot of articles surfacing talking about this "attempted rape" scene! It's like people didn't see anything else from the game 'cause all they talk about is this!! I honestly don't understand why this is getting so much attention!

And what's even more ridiculous is that this scene is NOT about a guy attempting to rape Lara, it's about Lara defending herself and being forced to kill this man!!! I mean, sure, it's implied that he wants to rape her but that whole scene is about Lara fighting back! That's the focus of it! It's about her FIRST KILL!!!

[TranceTrouble]

Originally Posted by dark7angel

^There's a lot of articles surfacing talking about this "attempted rape" scene! It's like people didn't see anything else from the game 'cause all they talk about is this!! I honestly don't understand why this is getting so much attention!

And what's even more ridiculous is that this scene is NOT about a guy attempting to rape Lara, it's about Lara defending herself and being forced to kill this man!!! I mean, sure, it's implied that he wants to rape her but that whole scene is about Lara fighting back! That's the focus of it! It's about her FIRST KILL!!!

yes indeed and the scene right after she shot the guy where she is crying on the ground and noticing what she just has done. i can feel the vibe in that and that she then get the feeling that she needs to do everything to get off that island alive.

[dark7angel]

^Exactly! That's what that moment is all about! Lara being forced to kill a man and the consequences that has on her character!

But unfortunately, all that people seem to see is "RAPE" and start to freak out about it! I mean, there are people on tumblr talking about petitions to boycott the game because of this 10 second scene!!! It's crazy!!! And having these sites making these articles doesn't help things! And then there's the so called feminists going on rants about the game being sexist and what not!!

It's ridiculous because you can have the most brutal murder being showcased on a game and no one will say a word, but you have a guy getting a little too close to Lara and all hell breaks loose!!!

[d1n0_xD]

Yeah, it's a little silly, the guy hardly tried anything before Lara kicked his ass... And then I read about how some people will have anxiety waiting for that scene and then watching it, and then I give myself the biggest facepalm ever xD People act as if the act of rape actually happened... The guy tried to reach for her ass, and she didn't let him

[dark7angel]

What's even more silly is that people never reacted like this when Kurtis rubbed Lara's body in AoD!!! And he touched her a LOT more than this guy! At least this time she knees him in the junk and fights back while AoD Lara didn't really do anything...

[Darkwoodsoftime]

and now VG247

this time the title is more Interesting : "Live debate: should Tomb Raider include rape elements?" ARE U KIDDING ME they're doing a live interview bout this ?! rape scenario ?!

[dark7angel]

I think I've seen at least 6 different articles regarding this subject and all of them are completely misinterpreting the whole thing!!! This is really annoying!

[Andrashi]

About this "rape scene"...
Am I the only guy who thinks this particular scene is incredibly sexist against males?

If I ever wanted to rape Lara in the depicted scenario, I would point gun at her and made her walk somewhere hidden, then told her to half strip, so clothes limit her movment. THEN I would toss her some rope/wire/string, and while under the threat of killing her I would made her bind her legs and both of her arms (forced self-bondage). Only then I would (still pointing at her) approach her, secure binds and proceeded with foul deed.

THAT's how would majority of males do it. This "immediate groping" is an unfortunate trope aimed at depicting males as sex driven no-brains. And surprisingly almost nobody cares.

[dark7angel]

This turned into such a controversy that CD had to release a official statement:

[TranceTrouble]

^^ lol you beat me to it dark7angel thank you OP updated!

[Darkwoodsoftime]

Male pervs and Gaming web sites will be disappointed

[Ivana KC]

Really? All that society cares about is sex?

Those, let's just say 'few' perverts are making the entire population of gamers look dumb! No wonder people started with 'forever alone' jokes. Out of the whole trailer, all they noticed is attempted raping?!? That pisses me off because it's a proof that a lot of people don't care much about the story, which is sad. Crystal Dynamics put a lot of effort into this game and into developing its story, and all they care about is seeing that one particular scene. Sad, just sad.


Anyway, I have nothing against that scene as long as Lara doesn't get raped. It's M rated game, I don't expect rainbows and unicorns. Like Karl said, it is a crucial moment for Lara and I want to see how her character develops. After all, CD had to give Lara a GOOD reason to kill a man, right?

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by Ivana KC

Really? All that society cares about is sex?

Those, let's just say 'few' perverts are making the entire population of gamers look dumb! No wonder people started with 'forever alone' jokes. Out of the whole trailer, all they noticed is attempted raping?!? That pisses me off because it's a proof that a lot of people don't care much about the story, which is sad. Crystal Dynamics put a lot of effort into this game and into developing its story, and all they care about is seeing that one particular scene. Sad, just sad.


Anyway, I have nothing against that scene as long as Lara doesn't get raped. It's M rated game, I don't expect rainbows and unicorns. Like Karl said, it is a crucial moment for Lara and I want to see how her character develops. After all, CD had to give Lara a GOOD reason to kill a man, right?

It's not just the gaming community that is obsessed with sex though we're used as scapegoats all the time when the whole world is obsessed with sex.