new Tomb Raider 18+ - your thoughts

[Ants_27_]

Originally Posted by tombraider1best

hmmm, im not that happy to be honest, i played tomb raider 1, thats what got me into the series, if it was a 18 i wouldnt have played it and most probably wouldnt be a bigg as a fan as i am now. i think it will give less people the opertunity to play it, especially people with strict parents.

Well this is the thing. They are not attempting to give younger players a game like the old TR's did. They want to invite back a lot of the original fans who would've most definitely grown up by now. Like Harry Potter. Those books are my childhood, the first coming out when I was about 8 or 9, thus every year I grew as did the books... of of the great appeals. A lot of the younger lot (like me little sister) don't understand why there's such a big deal surrounding it.

Now you can easily tell that Deathly Hallows isn't aimed at a younger audience like the first was, no it's most likely going to be for the ones who have grown up with it.

I think that is how CD view it at least.

[Shaman789]

I lvoe the idea of a mature rating! Can't wait to see this game released.

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by Ants_27_

Well this is the thing. They are not attempting to give younger players a game like the old TR's did. They want to invite back a lot of the original fans who would've most definitely grown up by now. Like Harry Potter. Those books are my childhood, the first coming out when I was about 8 or 9, thus every year I grew as did the books... of of the great appeals. A lot of the younger lot (like me little sister) don't understand why there's such a big deal surrounding it.

Now you can easily tell that Deathly Hallows isn't aimed at a younger audience like the first was, no it's most likely going to be for the ones who have grown up with it.

I think that is how CD view it at least.

You took the words right out of my mouth, Ants

[josh1122]

Originally Posted by LC is Me

Like it's been said, this isn't the 90s where cheap scares = good atmosphere.
Unless it's the bear that was in Condemned, that just doesn't cut it anymore. Just sayin...

To be honest. That's all the genre still is in todays market, all this survival horror or just ''horror'' in general is nothing but cheap jump scares. Which is rather pathetic to be honest

I wouldn't see this game as being any different if its going the survival/horror route

[AlanqtrMain]

i just hope they make a good game. and dont go over the top on the gore front.

[LC is Me]

Originally Posted by josh1122

To be honest. That's all the genre still is in todays market, all this survival horror or just ''horror'' in general is nothing but cheap jump scares. Which is rather pathetic to be honest

I wouldn't see this game as being any different if its going the survival/horror route

Well of course your typical, A-list horror games do.
But there are decent games that don't rely on cheap scares like "giant bear pops out of nowhere" and then you're fine. Whether or not you're willing to look for and actually play those is entirely on you though.

[josh1122]

Originally Posted by LC is Me

Well of course your typical, A-list horror games do.
But there are decent games that don't rely on cheap scares like "giant bear pops out of nowhere" and then you're fine. Whether or not you're willing to look for and actually play those is entirely on you though.

I disagree. I have yet to find one your refering to

[gunshitknife]

I like the idea of the Mature content. But, to be honest, I'll miss the old Lara. I miss her braid, her figure, her invincibleness....Honestly, I think it's why fans love her. She's what we only wish to be and will never be: Her strength, her resources, her abilities to overcome anything and not get affected by anything, her lack of emotion (weakness) and focused on the task. She doesn't whine, she doesn't seem affected by anything and nothing can stop her....And it's why everyone respects her and fears her. I don't wanna see a vulnerable girl I can relate to. She's not a vulnerable woman, she's a very capable, strong woman who nobody can mess with. Haha That's what I want to see. Tomb Raider's not about survival. Leave it for the Resident Evil franchise. Tomb Raider is about exploring hardcore places, finding answers, strength, ability, skill, perfection. All the things that would frighten anyone in real life and which are also extremely tempting like a siren's song. Yes, I will miss the old Lara and her foxy intelligence....Sigh. And I want the braid back! I miss it! Don't change what made her! Her braid's her trademark, is her main characteristic. When someone sees a video heroine with auburn hair and a braid, that's gotta be Lara Croft! It's what set her apart from all the other heroines. Don't change her into a regular woman, I don't wanna see her blend in the background. I want her to stand out like she always has. Ok, I'm done with my ranting.

[gunshitknife]

And, this is coming from someone who's a die hard Tomb Raider fan, a veteran. hahaha Grew up playing Tomb Raider and still haven't had enough of it. But, like I said, I miss the old Lara Croft.

[josh1122]

I just hope Crystal doesn't pull a peter molyneux and hype up all these features and plans for the new TR game but then not fully deliver on them and failing to meet their expectations they layed out there.

I'm still skeptical on their idea of ''Open World''.

Hopefully it all goes well with the release if not, then its pretty much the end of TR, i feel this reboot is like a last ditch effort to stop the franchise from dying.

Hopefully people ignore the bad name Tomb Raider has had for many many years and play the game(If its fun).

I know a lot of gamers out there today don't play games based on if they're good or not, they base it mostly on brand name, ''oh if its by -insert name- then it must be good'' etc.

Hopefully the game comes out great and people play it for that reason alone.

[gunshitknife]

Yeah, I hope TR doesn't die at all. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and some credit, because, well, they must know what they're doing. A little faith is always great. And I trust they're gonna do a good job.

[josh1122]

Originally Posted by gun****knife

Yeah, I hope TR doesn't die at all. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and some credit, because, well, they must know what they're doing. A little faith is always great. And I trust they're gonna do a good job.

Hope so lol.

Even if the game does bad or even good and they decide the drop the series for good, at least we still got all the old games to keep us occupied forever

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by gun****knife

I like the idea of the Mature content. But, to be honest, I'll miss the old Lara. I miss her braid, her figure, her invincibleness....Honestly, I think it's why fans love her. She's what we only wish to be and will never be: Her strength, her resources, her abilities to overcome anything and not get affected by anything, her lack of emotion (weakness) and focused on the task. She doesn't whine, she doesn't seem affected by anything and nothing can stop her....And it's why everyone respects her and fears her. I don't wanna see a vulnerable girl I can relate to. She's not a vulnerable woman, she's a very capable, strong woman who nobody can mess with. Haha That's what I want to see. Tomb Raider's not about survival. Leave it for the Resident Evil franchise. Tomb Raider is about exploring hardcore places, finding answers, strength, ability, skill, perfection. All the things that would frighten anyone in real life and which are also extremely tempting like a siren's song. Yes, I will miss the old Lara and her foxy intelligence....Sigh. And I want the braid back! I miss it! Don't change what made her! Her braid's her trademark, is her main characteristic. When someone sees a video heroine with auburn hair and a braid, that's gotta be Lara Croft! It's what set her apart from all the other heroines. Don't change her into a regular woman, I don't wanna see her blend in the background. I want her to stand out like she always has. Ok, I'm done with my ranting.

Wow. I just cannot tell you on how many levels I disagre with this.

First, pining for "the old Lara" is very counter productive. All charater's and series need to evolve to stay relevant to the times, or they stagnate and fade away. The look was a product of limitations of the tech of the times, which at best could only render an idealized illustration of a person, rather than a seemingly real human. But those limitations no longer exist, and Lara's characterization mut no longer be held back by old and sorely outdated standards.

And you actually want an invincible character? Now I don't speak for everybody here, yet I can't help but have this certainty that you're very much alone on this. An invulnerable and "perfect" character is BORING. One who is nver actually in peril no matter the dangers is nobody a viewer or gamer can connect to, and all fictions strive for that audience connection to the protagonist.

What you're doing is removing the element of danger, if she can never be hurt, which eliminates the excitement and thrills of the experince. Most people here WANT to feel for someone who can be injured and could die. That's what makes for a more compelling experience. It isn't that Lara is some superhuman which makes her interesting, it's when you see someone just as vulnerable and mortal as us, who overcomes great adversity at great risk to themselves, which makes them extraordinary.

Personality should also be complex, with emotional vulnerabilities and flaws to counter balance the strengths. Being strong isn't about having no flaws, it's about having them but not letting them hold you back.

The more realistic a charater is, the more they come across as a genuinely believable human being, the stronger the connection to the audience. A basic principle in all mediums of fiction.

And finally the braid... c'mon, that's a purely superficial way of defining anybody. A hair style is the least of what defnes Lara. It's her courage, her determination and charm and wit paired with her beauty and sassiness which define Lara. Not superficial stylings. And really, what woman wears the exact same hair style every day of her life??

[dark7angel]

Originally Posted by adobeARTIST

Wow. I just cannot tell you on how many levels I disagre with this.

First, pining for "the old Lara" is very counter productive. All charater's and series need to evolve to stay relevant to the times, or they stagnate and fade away. The look was a product of limitations of the tech of the times, which at best could only render an idealized illustration of a person, rather than a seemingly real human. But those limitations no longer exist, and Lara's characterization mut no longer be held back by old and sorely outdated standards.

And you actually want an invincible character? Now I don't speak for everybody here, yet I can't help but have this certainty that you're very much alone on this. An invulnerable and "perfect" character is BORING. One who is nver actually in peril no matter the dangers is nobody a viewer or gamer can connect to, and all fictions strive for that audience connection to the protagonist.

What you're doing is removing the element of danger, if she can never be hurt, which eliminates the excitement and thrills of the experince. Most people here WANT to feel for someone who can be injured and could die. That's what makes for a more compelling experience. It isn't that Lara is some superhuman which makes her interesting, it's when you see someone just as vulnerable and mortal as us, who overcomes great adversity at great risk to themselves, which makes them extraordinary.

Personality should also be complex, with emotional vulnerabilities and flaws to counter balance the strengths. Being strong isn't about having no flaws, it's about having them but not letting them hold you back.

The more realistic a charater is, the more they come across as a genuinely believable human being, the stronger the connection to the audience. A basic principle in all mediums of fiction.

And finally the braid... c'mon, that's a purely superficial way of defining anybody. A hair style is the least of what defnes Lara. It's her courage, her determination and charm and wit paired with her beauty and sassiness which define Lara. Not superficial stylings. And really, what woman wears the exact same hair style every day of her life??

I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

[Red Meat]

Originally Posted by dark7angel

I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Seconded..!

[LC is Me]

So, uh, just so I'm clear, it's official: adobe is officially the spokesperson for people who are pleased with things atm?
Kay.

[Pulse]

Originally Posted by LC is Me

So, uh, just so I'm clear, it's official: adobe is officially the spokesperson for people who are pleased with things atm?
Kay.

I second the motion! even though it was more of a statement... but I like to feel included!

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by LC is Me

So, uh, just so I'm clear, it's official: adobe is officially the spokesperson for people who are pleased with things atm?
Kay.

I'm not sure if this is hyperbole, but I did say "I don't speak for everybody".

That being said, you've been around too, and before we got any details of the reboot, you surely must have seen the discussion going around, which leaned to wanting to see a stronger sense of mortality in Lara. I was speaking of what I'd observed these past months, and could safely say a majority of opinions expressed by this community on that matter favored having damage effects on Lara - from running short of breath to the realistic deaths. Many people expressed being tired of the ragdoll deaths.

Basiclly that the perils she experiences should have a tangible sense of consequence to Lara, and through her to the player. When I said I beleive our newcomer here to be alone in his idea of the "superhuman Lara", that was based on seeing what the community stated several times, not just my own speculation of what the rest of us think.

My monologue on character development (personality flaws, weaknesses balaned against strengths, and overall how making a person too powerful makes for bland and uninspiring character development) yeah, that was mostly my perspective and opinion. Though not a randomly made opinion, but formed from principles which are proven to work any media of fiction.

Just look at some of the most successful characters in movies and books and you'll see that principle at work. Peter Parker (Spiderman) for all his extrordinary abilities still has limitations. He can be hurt by foes more powerful than himself, so every time he pust on the costum, he's putting himself at risk. But more importantly he deals with all the issues many of us experience - confidence issues from negative dating experiences, feelings of inadequecy, isolation while wanting to be accepted by his peers, the pressure of all the conflicting responsibility on his shoulders between friends and being spiderman.... the list goes on.

While I do strongly express my opinions, I'm not trying to be an official spokesman for anybody else

[Danielsun]

Originally Posted by adobeARTIST

While I do strongly express my opinions, I'm not trying to be an official spokesman for anybody else

i dont think you have a choice , whilst most of us feel the same way as you do, when the people who start flamming come online, most of us cannot be bothered to type as well as you do

my typing is pretty bad at this point purely because im so tired but what im trying to say is that you are pretty awesome dude

[dark7angel]

Originally Posted by Danielsun

i dont think you have a choice , whilst most of us feel the same way as you do, when the people who start flamming come online, most of us cannot be bothered to type as well as you do

my typing is pretty bad at this point purely because im so tired but what im trying to say is that you are pretty awesome dude

I agree with Danielsun!

I consider myself quite capable when it comes to speak/write in english (my first language is portuguese!) but sometimes I just lack the words to express myself!

That being sad, I find myself agreeing with adobeARTIST most of the time and you always make valid arguments instead of just ranting!!! So yeah, you're awesome!

[adobeARTIST]

And now I'm blushing. The only reason I can respond is because it's by typing. My tongue is quite disabled at the moment

[Danielsun]

your typing does you well adobe keep at it

and hi dark7angel not spoken to you in a while

[dark7angel]

Originally Posted by Danielsun

your typing does you well adobe keep at it

and hi dark7angel not spoken to you in a while

Hi Daniel!!!
Indeed, it has been a while! What's up???

[Danielsun]

Originally Posted by dark7angel

Hi Daniel!!!
Indeed, it has been a while! What's up???

not much, ive not been putting as much into the forums lately, been so busy, gym, halo and work how have you been? much happened lately?

[dark7angel]

Originally Posted by Danielsun

not much, ive not been putting as much into the forums lately, been so busy, gym, halo and work how have you been? much happened lately?

I'm good, thanks for asking!
Not much happening, just college taking most of my time!!! Now I have couple of weeks free for the holidays!!!