new Tomb Raider 18+ - your thoughts

[Elliot Kane]

Just to play Devil's Advocate a little, IF - and I stress IF - the guy HAD been trying to rape Lara and she fought him off and killed him, am I the only one thinking that that's a really GOOD reason for Lara to kill her first human?

I mean, really, how is 'OMG, Lara killed some guy who tried to rape her' a BAD thing?

[Copeland]

People just automatically that attempted rape on a woman is sexist and the feminists come out to play. (even though when the guy in Super got raped nobody said anything)

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by Copeland

People just automatically that attempted rape on a woman is sexist and the ********s come out to play. (even though when the guy in Super got raped nobody said anything)

And in The Shawshank Redemption, which is considered one of the greats, there was an implied gang rape scene on a man yet no one complained. Yet when it happens on a woman all hell breaks loose

[Ants_27_]

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

And in The Shawshank Redemption, which is considered one of the greats, there was an implied gang rape scene on a man yet no one complained. Yet when it happens on a woman all hell breaks loose

I think most people just have nothing better to do so they take joy in complaining.

It's like with TV shows. The BBC did a drama a while back now and one of the final scenes towards the end of the series was that saw this policeman go even more corrupt and disturbed, to end up raping and violently attacking this other guy.

Next day, 10,000 viewers complained. The week after people where still complaining... really?

[Driber]

Please cease from using the phrase "********". It is offensive.

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

And in The Shawshank Redemption, which is considered one of the greats, there was an implied gang rape scene on a man yet no one complained. Yet when it happens on a woman all hell breaks loose

Are you playing devil's advocate here?

Because I remember you were very much against the idea of an attempted rape scene in a discussion we held some months ago on the forum.

In fact, it was your argumentation that helped sway my opinion about it

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by Driber

Please cease from using the phrase "********". It is offensive.




Are you playing devil's advocate here?

Because I remember you were very much against the idea of an attempted rape scene in a discussion we held some months ago on the forum.

In fact, it was your argumentation that helped sway my opinion about it

I was very much against the idea of Lara getting raped. I'm not against the idea of someone attempting to rape Lara but there being no situation where she is actually raped if she fails to do the QTE correctly. I thought I always said that.

[Driber]

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

The Sun have unwelcomely decided to stick their oar in now:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...game-hell.html

Oh brother

That is absolutely crap journalism. If you can even call it that.

Oh well...what do you expect from a tabloid

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

I was very much against the idea of Lara getting raped. I'm not against the idea of someone attempting to rape Lara but there being no situation where she is actually raped if she fails to do the QTE correctly. I thought I always said that.

Ah yes, you are correct. I just dug up the thread and it seems I mixed you and sierra xb up. Sorry about that.

[Metalrocks]

i showed that part to my wife and asked her what she thinks of it.
she said, she admired lara for being so strong. that she could fight this guy off before getting raped.

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by Driber

Oh brother

That is absolutely crap journalism. If you can even call it that.

Oh well...what do you expect from a tabloid



Ah yes, you are correct. I just dug up the thread and it seems I mixed you and sierra xb up. Sorry about that.

Easy mistake to make given my argumentative nature

[Driber]

^

Originally Posted by Metalrocks

i showed that part to my wife and asked her what she thinks of it.
she said, she admired lara for being so strong. that she could fight this guy off before getting raped.

Wait, did you tell her about "attempted rape"? Or did she come up with that conclusion herself?

Originally Posted by Metalrocks

for some reason i cant embed it from the time i want to show it.

Originally Posted by The Hylden

You can't make a video start from a specific time. If you want people to view it from a certain time on, then just add a little note underneath the video saying so, like, "From 2:13 on."

Yes, you can!

Here's an example: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpos...6&postcount=51

Click on QUOTE to see the code

[dark7angel]

Now they are making polls for people to vote about this: http://www.computerandvideogames.com...cry-justified/

I just can't believe this...

[Andy64]

This game is going to be rated 18+ but in reality many parents are going to buy this game for their teenage sons or daughters who are in their teens (shock horror) and that is where their is going to be the biggest problem. The parents see attempted rape scene in the media about the game and they are scared off from buying it for their childeren.

The media reports seem so overdramatic like one I read in the Metro where it said CD/Eidos were deliberately using the attempted rape scene as a shock tactic to sell the game. CD have to handle this very carefully as we don't want this game to be known as the game with the attempted rape scene or fuel the view that TR is a sexist series. Let's hope this negative stigma blows over soon.

[LARALOVERnr.1]

Originally Posted by mugenkb1

I don't see people complaining about the militant touching Sheva's chest and ass and calling it rape.
The eff is with people these days, it's like they love complaining about the stupidest things.

I totally agree! That scene in there was put there for similar reason; To show that this woman is a though * you don't want to mess with (well, it's not excactly that in Tomb Raider, but you get the idea...)

I hate these type of things, people going all beserk about a scene that hints a little, just a little, tiny bit to sex. Violence is all good and okay, but things like this are suddenly harmfull? Sure, that makes total sense =_=

Originally Posted by Driber

Ah yes, you are correct. I just dug up the thread and it seems I mixed you and sierra xb up. Sorry about that.

I guess I did the same thing I remember someone's opinion was that a rape scene would be too much for women who have actually been raped, thought it was Lady Rufina :I

[Copeland]

Originally Posted by Andy64

This game is going to be rated 18+ but in reality many parents are going to buy this game for their teenage sons or daughters who are in their teens (shock horror) and that is where their is going to be the biggest problem. The parents see attempted rape scene in the media about the game and they are scared off from buying it for their childeren.

And I'll still be getting it But honestly, your point WILL be the case as the media won't change their stories, because it's a story that will draw people in.

[dark7angel]

Originally Posted by LARALOVERnr.1

I totally agree! That scene in there was put there for similar reason; To show that this woman is a though * you don't want to mess with (well, it's not excactly that in Tomb Raider, but you get the idea...)

I hate these type of things, people going all beserk about a scene that hints a little, just a little, tiny bit to sex. Violence is all good and okay, but things like this are suddenly harmfull? Sure, that makes total sense =_=

Exactly!!! Not to mention that the scene in TR is NOT an attempted rape! The guy gets a little too close but nothing happens! It's more sexual harassment than it is attempted rape - just like that scene with Sheva on Resi5! Lara fights back he gets pissed things escalate and she ends up killing him because he was going to kill her!

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by LARALOVERnr.1

I totally agree! That scene in there was put there for similar reason; To show that this woman is a though * you don't want to mess with (well, it's not excactly that in Tomb Raider, but you get the idea...)

I hate these type of things, people going all beserk about a scene that hints a little, just a little, tiny bit to sex. Violence is all good and okay, but things like this are suddenly harmfull? Sure, that makes total sense =_=


I guess I did the same thing I remember someone's opinion was that a rape scene would be too much for women who have actually been raped, thought it was Lady Rufina :I

Alright! Everyone gets it: I'm argumentative!

[Driber]

Originally Posted by dark7angel

Now they are making polls for people to vote about this: http://www.computerandvideogames.com...cry-justified/

I just can't believe this...

Milk it, "journalists". MILK IT.

Originally Posted by LARALOVERnr.1

I guess I did the same thing I remember someone's opinion was that a rape scene would be too much for women who have actually been raped, thought it was Lady Rufina :I

heh, as our LadyR said - it is because she is very much "out there". Phew, managed to say that diplomatically

So totally not our fault

[Driber]

Originally Posted by dark7angel

Exactly!!! Not to mention that the scene in TR is NOT an attempted rape! The guy gets a little too close but nothing happens! It's more sexual harassment than it is attempted rape - just like that scene with Sheva on Resi5! Lara fights back he gets pissed things escalate and she ends up killing him because he was going to kill her!

I liked the post earlier in this thread where someone brought up the scene between Kurtis and Lara in AoD.

That had a very sexual undertone and I don't remember anyone crying out back then.

I think the main problem these days with this sort of thing is that there are too many wannabe journalists out there who fight for a scoop and do not shy away from jumping on the bandwagon without source checking if they think they got something juicy.

Oh well, who cares about facts anymore these days, right?

[dark7angel]

Originally Posted by Driber

I liked the post earlier in this thread where someone brought up the scene between Kurtis and Lara in AoD.

That had a very sexual undertone and I don't remember anyone crying out back then.

I think the main problem these days with this sort of thing is that there are too many wannabe journalists out there who fight for a scoop and do not shy away from jumping on the bandwagon without source checking if they think they got something juicy.

Oh well, who cares about facts anymore these days, right?

Yeah, I mentioned Kurtis earlier in the thread and I think LadyR also mentioned that scene!

Imo, that scene with Kurtis was a lot worse than this one, because not only did he touch Lara a LOT more than this guy, she didn't react to it! This time, Lara actually fights back, risking being killed, which forces her to kill him!

[Laras_Justice]

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"In addition to dressing her in less sexy digs, this game will show Lara in a much more weak and rape-able light. That way, Rosenberg explained, men will care more about keeping her safe from the big, bad scary things that want to put their *es into her. She's still a hero — sort of — but male gamers will play the game and think of themselves as Lara's helper and protector.

Um, so players get to be her dad? That's weird and awkward."[/COLOR]

[Laras_Justice]

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BUT LO AND BEHOLD! – Is this a shred of hope for feminism in the media, I see? Lara Croft is now wearing trousers! And she has had a boob reduction! Good on you, Tomb Raider dream team! That’ll shut those damn extremist feminists up! Well done! You get a star for finally finding the golden ticket.
But then the unthinkable happened –
“How are we gonna enforce stereotypical femininity now?” The Dream Team thought. “Ah! Simple! We will make the gamer want to protect Lara, like a little delicate flower, by adding an attempted rape scene and just slip it in there.”
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[Darkwoodsoftime]

this is actually interesting , Crossroads gameplay vid was released on 1th June , but only in the Last two days there were this many rumors and nonsense about rape and ... . I'm Guessing alot of people haven't even seen the gameplay vid and just copy/Pasting what they find in other stupid articles .

[CommanderZx2]

This whole nonsense is just a storm in a teacup, the developers should just ignore it entirely and should never have posted a "no attempted rape scene" statement at all.

That scene shown in the tomb raider video is extremely tame compared to what happens in movies and tv shows.

Also the game Alice: Madness Returns has far more terrible things happen to characters...

[Laras_Justice]

It's not only about sexual assault though, it's about the gamer having to protect the character, since when does Lara need protection? It's the weakening of her character that everyone's angry about I think. And also cause she's a girl:

"You start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character."

[GemmaDarkmoon]

Originally Posted by dark7angel

Imo, that scene with Kurtis was a lot worse than this one, because not only did he touch Lara a LOT more than this guy, she didn't react to it!

In the Kurtis scene she hadn't got the option to show much responce or fight back as has a gun to her head. He does have to disarm her but it certainly gets very touchy. There is no inclination that rape is his motivation though.

I do think the media are overreacting to that one scene. I play recent zombie games loads where there is often tons of blood, massacres and bodies hanging from hooks etc and so it does suprise me that this scene has stirred up such controversy. Even though I knew for months of the M-rating I was still shocked to see the level of violence shown in the trailer in a TR game. Maybe TR not being thought of as a series that has lots of realistic violence makes it have more impact on journalists and gamers when they do see it.