PRE-ORDER/ORDERS Thread- Exclusives/Bonus/DLC Q&As/Different Editions -All Discussion

[Shralla]

Originally Posted by 68_pie

I was never going to buy this game at release/full price and yet the inevitable preorder bonuses still make me angry. What ever happened to making a game?

Last I checked, they're still making it. I can't believe that something as inane as pre-order bonuses would make you "angry"? Exactly what rationale do you have to be "angry" about pre-order bonuses? My bet is none.

[rambo73]

Hi there,

i have a "quick" question for you since I just discovered that a "special" Augmented Edition with bonus including a special mission will be available ONLY at Gamestop.com

...I leave in sherbrooke , Quebec (1 hour from Montreal)
and I already have pre-ordered (already paid in full) a copy at EB game 2 days after I heard that Eidos will produce another Deus Ex Game.

the problem is that I originally speak & write in Canadien French
and since I dont want to miss a "french edition" ....I need to know if a french language track will be available (like any current games on PS3 : Kane&Lynch , Uncharted I & II , Call of Duty Modern Warfare II & Black Ops....etc etc)

and I need to know if this french track will be available only on regular edition or on ALL EDITIONS , including the special one available at Gamestop.com

Im currently waiting for your kind respond

Many thanks

Merci Beaucoup pour ce jeu qui sera SUPERBE

Dan

[FrankCSIS]

I know you're on a mission to call out the bullcrap in every exagerated post, Shral, but pre-release extra content can only mean one of two things, both scenarios being irksome to one degree or another. Either this extra mission took a few weeks to put together and is pretty basic/cheap, or it's actually fairly good and took a chunk of development time away from the official release. It's a lose-lose, whichever way one looks at it.

[MechBFP]

Well I for one certainly know which edition I will be getting, the online one.

[Wallach]

I definitely won't be buying this unless there's a way to get all of the "bonus" content with a single pre-order. Even that is testing my patience as this whole "hold content hostage for pre-orders" gimmick is wearing thin very fast.

Hopefully someone can officially clarify whether the "Augmented" edition comes with all possible pre-order bonuses here in the US.

[Shralla]

Originally Posted by FrankCSIS

Either this extra mission took a few weeks to put together and is pretty basic/cheap, or it's actually fairly good and took a chunk of development time away from the official release. It's a lose-lose, whichever way one looks at it.

It doesn't actually mean either of those necessarily.

[thedosbox]

Let's hope the marketing whiz kids wake up and realise they've messed up. And can answer some of the questions that have been raised.

- contents of augmented edition vs retailer specific versions
- retailer exclusivity of augmented edition
- availability of augmented edition across different regions

[Fox89]

It's a shame we haven't had this clarification. I really want to know if and how it's possible to get all the content, so that then we can all start talking about the gameplay trailers that showed off said content and discuss that. That's a MUCH more interesting thing to discuss but we have to clear this up first

[Jerion]

Here's to hoping that some clarifications appear tomorrow morning.

[FrankCSIS]

It doesn't actually mean either of those necessarily.

What are the other possibilities? They outsourced the level? A benevolant organisation has been designing it? Devs worked on it in their free time? It's the never-to-be-released demo?

Time and ressources were consumed for this. It cannot have been put together just a few days ago, because it has to be tested like every other level. It has to be ready by release, because it's made available on day one. The only variables are how much went into this, and to what good does it amount.

[Wallach]

Originally Posted by Jerion

Here's to hoping that some clarifications appear tomorrow morning.

Indeed. I really hope the situation is not as it sounds, as I've been looking forward to this game for some time.

[Rindill the Red]

Originally Posted by FrankCSIS

What are the other possibilities? They outsourced the level? A benevolant organisation has been designing it? Devs worked on it in their free time? It's the never-to-be-released demo?

Time and ressources were consumed for this. It cannot have been put together just a few days ago, because it has to be tested like every other level. It has to be ready by release, because it's made available on day one. The only variables are how much went into this, and to what good does it amount.

It's actually a snippet of the random output of the 100 monkeys EM keeps in their basement.

[WildcatPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Rindill the Red

It's actually a snippet of the random output of the 100 monkeys EM keeps in their basement.

"It was the best of times... it was the BLURST of times?? Damn you, stupid monkey!"

[FrankCSIS]

I thought they had Woody Allen in their basement...

[Rindill the Red]

FrankCSIS, you make me want them to release an SDK.

[Shralla]

Originally Posted by FrankCSIS

What are the other possibilities? They outsourced the level? A benevolant organisation has been designing it? Devs worked on it in their free time? It's the never-to-be-released demo?

Time and ressources were consumed for this. It cannot have been put together just a few days ago, because it has to be tested like every other level. It has to be ready by release, because it's made available on day one. The only variables are how much went into this, and to what good does it amount.

You're perpetuating the fallacy that just because time was spent on this means that time was taken away from something else. That is a false statement.

[Merk1e]

Originally Posted by Thasc

I'm not convinced. Game publishers, ultimately, need their games to sell. If a major retailer like GameStop pulls out, that throws a huge spanner in the works. So of course retailers are going to ask for exclusives, because they want money too, and it's not like the publisher wants to risk their ire, so they'll oblige. Neither party is begging at each other's door, but both are willing to compromise. Hell, I bet the retailers asked for more pre-order variants than two.

This is 100% false. You are in fact thinking opposite of what actually happens. Publishers are more willing to cut out retailers than the other way around. For instance, Nintendo has pretty much stymied Blockbuster on most new releases because of bad history.

A retailer like Gamestop DEPENDS on availability of all product to sell anything. It is why they stock Hello Kitty games that only the random 3 year old's mom buys. Otherwise, they would lose market share to the wal-mart in the same shopping center or the best buy around the street. A consumer looking for 1 off the wall game is likely to return to that same store or chain if they find it. If the can't find it, they will more than likely not come back. It would be idiotic business practices for any retailer to follow, most especially gamestop which is niche at best.

Retailers do not refuse stocking something they can sell. Especially when it is a specialty store like Gamestop. More likely there is a bidding process that happens that can determine pre-order bonuses which is a win win for the developers, retailers, and consumers.

And for all the hardcore Deus Ex fans: You are overreacting and ancient. I played Deus Ex from the release date until I beat it. I play it almost religiously every single year. It is without doubt the greatest game ever made. Threatening piracy or not purchasing a spiritual sequel because of pre-order bonuses on early benefits in the game or DLC is childish at best, and flat stupidity at worst.

This is how the market is now. Get used to it, because it will continue to evolve like this. DLC is a good thing, it keeps games alive. It costs A LOT of money to make games in 2010 compared to 1999/2000. While I miss the old days, forcing a developer to conform to archaeic practices and ideals is the best way not to grow your product. And believe me, there are not many people who remember the first Deus Ex, regardless of what you think. And even those who've played it...it has been 10 years. Lots of those people have forgotten or moved on passed gaming.

[cartridge]

So, this is what everyone is so upset about? Is that why Coyote made that thread earlier today?

[FuzzyPuffin]

Originally Posted by cartridge

So, this is what everyone is so upset about? Is that why Coyote made that thread earlier today?

Yes. I expect it is No Big Deal--the French Eidos store Augmented Edition lists both preorder bonuses as included, so it should be the same for NA and everybody else as well. So there should be a way to get all the content.

What boggles me is that all we're requiring of Eidos is some simple communication, but they've been strangely silent.

[Wallach]

Originally Posted by Merk1e

This is how the market is now. Get used to it, because it will continue to evolve like this. DLC is a good thing, it keeps games alive. It costs A LOT of money to make games in 2010 compared to 1999/2000. While I miss the old days, forcing a developer to conform to archaeic practices and ideals is the best way not to grow your product. And believe me, there are not many people who remember the first Deus Ex, regardless of what you think. And even those who've played it...it has been 10 years. Lots of those people have forgotten or moved on passed gaming.

I'm not against pre-order bonuses specifically; that is something that, while annoying, makes some sense in our small proposed relationship. There is a reasonable incentive on my part, and a reasonable motivation on their part.

I will not, however, support the idea that my choice of retailer should determine my incentive and cut me off from other pre-order bonuses. If that is the case I simply can't support the product; it's a move that benefits retailers (they get to claim they have exclusive content) but does not benefit me as a consumer whatsoever. The publisher certainly cannot care which retailer I purchase their product from, they are concerned with whether I purchase it at all. That setup literally only benefits the retailer, which - again, as a consumer - I don't particularly care about whatsoever.

If that turns out not to be the case, that's great. I'd love to support the product. If it isn't, then all I can really do is "vote with my wallet", as it's the only language they're going to understand when it comes to how I'd like them to sell me their products in the future.

[cartridge]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPuffin

Yes. I expect it is No Big Deal--the French Eidos store Augmented Edition lists both preorder bonuses as included, so it should be the same for NA and everybody else as well. So there should be a way to get all the content.

What boggles me is that all we're requiring of Eidos is some simple communication, but they've been strangely silent.

That's it? And people can't wait a f***ing day for an answer?! So stupid, all over a damn pre-order bonus.

[Unstoppable]

Erm the retailers probably just got this info and are still updating their websites with all the specifics. So if you don't see anything right now just wait a week or less. I'm sure the retailers will explain everything, usually Gamestop and Amazon are very detailed on what is included.

As for the Augmented edition shipping, if you pre order at the store there should be no charge for shipping. This is because the store orders the product and then stocks it on the shelves. So as part of that order they put your reserved copy. I have never been charged for shipping on any order at a physical store.

For online retailers they charge for shipping because it costs more to ship to a residential address than a business address. So to not pay for shipping, go to the store and pre order it. Simple enough.

[FuzzyPuffin]

Originally Posted by cartridge

That's it? And people can't wait a f***ing day for an answer?! So stupid, all over a damn pre-order bonus.

I hope we get an answer tomorrow.

I normally wouldn't care about preorder bonuses, but seeing as one of them is significant (the mission, with a DX1 character, which I definitely want to play) I want to know if I will be able to play it without having to give GameStop my money. And it is a legitimate complaint if the preorders are set up in a way that it becomes impossible to obtain all the content without purchasing two copies of the game.

Originally Posted by Unstoppable

As for the Augmented edition shipping, if you pre order at the store there should be no charge for shipping. This is because the store orders the product and then stocks it on the shelves. So as part of that order they put your reserved copy. I have never been charged for shipping on any order at a physical store.

But you have to pay tax, which in most states will be more than GameStop's 3.50 cheap shipping.

[Revolverhawk]

Look...all I want to know is will Amazon have the Tactical pack? because the Tactical pack is what I want, as it comes with extra credits for augmentations and upgrades. I am not sure if credits have a set amount available in the game or what. Just to be sure I can have as many superpowers and upgrades as possible, that is the one I want. Otherwise I would take the explosive pack.

Actually, I also want to know if credits have an unlimited amount potentially available or if there is a set amount. Because if there is an unlimited amount potentially available, maybe by gathering enemy weapons and selling them on the black market, then I would just go with the Explosive pack.

[mitch82cc]

Hello all,

I'm a long time forum reader, infrequent poster. Here are my thoughts on this whole debacle...

1) For some reason I was always under the impression that each weapon only had 1 version that could be upgraded. Someone mentioned "the" sniper rifle or "the" grenade launcher earlier. MAYBE these variants we are seeing here are much like the "Red Greasel Hunter" pistol from IW. It was just a regular pistol with an infrared light attachment. I would imagine that these ***confirmed*** non-upgradable weapons just provide one gimmicky extra for each pre-order weapon. If this is the case, it's not like this is the ONLY sniper or grenade launcher you are going to see in the game. Double barreled shotgun though...that one still makes me wonder.

2) I would really like to know how we will go about accessing these extras that come with the game.

If there are download codes in the box: It would be easy to buy just the game and buy the download codes on ebay from other buyers if you REALLY wanted all 4 weapons. (Given this scenario you are obviously locked in with Gamestop to get the extra mission)

If the guns are actually on the game disc: It would suck. We are stuck picking one version or the other unless it is confirmed that the Augmented Edition includes everything. (Baffled as to why this would be clearly explained from the beginning???)

3) Maybe EM is reeeeeaaaaaally taking this whole choice and consequence thing seriously...starting with making you pick what edition of the game you are going to buy. Mwuhahahahahaha! (Of course I kid, this would be sadistic) I mean they did say you won't be able to max out every augmentation on a single playthrough....