PRE-ORDER/ORDERS Thread- Exclusives/Bonus/DLC Q&As/Different Editions -All Discussion

[Rtech]

All of the Gamestops I have been to said that they are not doing a midnight release because of not enough preorders.

[Enraged Penguin]

Originally Posted by jaycw2309

Ahh well you say that, but, if you tried to play a retail copy before MS `prop` it on the live servers, then your account will be blanked and scores reset. However the fact that MS prop the code as part of the sign off process means the only people who will be affected by that are the QA guys who are doing the signing off, we have to wait til they tell us its propped.. accounts have been wiped

So there is a `base` for the legend

Well as far as I know there's never been a case where someone has bought a legitimate copy of a game and had that happen. Because it's more or less impossible to get a hold of one before MS sorts all of that stuff out. Unless, like you say, you're one of the QA team. It's pretty easy to get a hold of a pirated copy before then though, which I think is where this is likely to happen. Because all that needs to happen in that scenario is for the person playing the pirated copy to earn an achievement and then sign into Xbox LIVE, no?

Do MS not sort this out long before the games actually hit the shelves? I know I had Borderlands on the 360 just under two weeks early and I didn't have anything wiped. And there was an absolute ton of people who managed to get Halo ODST over a week early. That was actually the first time I first heard this "You'll get banned" myth, and it was also the time where it was refuted in a video on Inside Xbox. I think it was on SentUAMessage actually, someone wrote in because they were worried about being banned.


Either way, I think it will be safe to play our copies of Deus Ex HR by now. If they arrive early I mean.

[jaycw2309]

Yeh timing wise its before the games gone to manufacture so nigh on impossible to happen to a `normal` consumer..

[Stevo_]

Originally Posted by garyriley1982

Hey, im from UK - and ive been sent a xbox 360 copy that should be arriving tomorrow..

will i be able to play it before the UK release date, or will it be blocked with some kind of region lock?

You will be fine mate, Have fun, Im hoping to get my copy from game.co.uk as it was dispatched on saturday is this the same for you?

[Neiloch]

The days of owning a 'full game' started dying around the time the PS2 and Xbox came out.

A company having the power to completely cut you off for whatever reason when it's well within their capability hasn't slowed down other online games like many MMO's, for example.

Cloud gaming IS the future. How soon it will dominate, I can't tell. It's not required that you jump on board, just don't be surprised when you find yourself behind the times.

[Enraged Penguin]

Originally Posted by Saieno

Now let me explain your misunderstanding about ownership. When you buy physical media you do not own anything except the license to view the media on the disk. Check any EULA or TOS for any product, digital or physical, and you'll see you do not own anything at all (but if holding something makes you feel better its all psychological.)

I beg to differ. As cool as this OnLive thing sounds to me, there's nothing stopping them from just closing up shop and removing access to all of your games. Whereas with the physical copies of games that I have, in order for a company to pull a stunt like that they would have to actually physically remove the games from my possession. And I can tell you right now that they would be physically incapable of doing so. I'm a big boy lol.

So on those grounds alone, I believe that I can own a physical copy of a game more than I can a digital one stored on someone else's server several hundred miles away. Maybe not according to the law, or their EULA/TOS, but I'd be more than willing to press them on that. You don't have that option with OnLive.

@Neiloch Bollocks. The original Xbox LIVE is shut down now, and I can still play all of the games I have for it. Not online, obviously, but I can still play them. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and PS3. If they pull the plug on their online services, that wont prevent me from playing my previously purchased games. They don't have any form of access control beyond the obvious online features, which I knew about full well upon purchasing games with said features.

[mad825]

Originally Posted by Neiloch

Cloud gaming IS the future. How soon it will dominate, I can't tell. It's not required that you jump on board, just don't be surprised when you find yourself behind the times.

It's the future in the same sense that full-blown holographic media is the future. There are three problems:

1. There is only one South Korea on this planet
2. A number of countries still have to lay-down Fibre optic to achieve network stability
3. ISPs still have "Fair Usage Policies" regardless of your upload/download limit

[Lawtonn22]

My pre-order also shows as "despatched" but small print said that the courier may hold the package until later this week whilst also ensuring I have it for Friday.

[garyriley1982]

Originally Posted by Stevo_

You will be fine mate, Have fun, Im hoping to get my copy from game.co.uk as it was dispatched on saturday is this the same for you?

Yep, that's whats happened, I called them up about it, and they said it'd arrive Tuesday

i'm pretty excited, ironically, I only head about this a few weeks ago, and was a big fan of the last two (they are still on my hard drive), I hope the story, twists and conspiracy is good, and its not a watered down dumb COD clone...

[Enraged Penguin]

Originally Posted by garyriley1982

Yep, that's whats happened, I called them up about it, and they said it'd arrive Tuesday

Seriously? I've done exactly the same as you two so I might have it tomorrow aswell.. Fingers crossed lol.

[tZer]

Can we stop these shenanigans and paid spammers now?

[Neiloch]

Originally Posted by Enraged Penguin

@Neiloch Bollocks. The original Xbox LIVE is shut down now, and I can still play all of the games I have for it. Not online, obviously, but I can still play them. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and PS3. If they pull the plug on their online services, that wont prevent me from playing my previously purchased games. They don't have any form of access control beyond the obvious online features, which I knew about full well upon purchasing games with said features.

Then you don't own those online features do ya? You PAID for online features you no longer have access to. So you don't own the FULL game, like I said. So thanks for being in violent agreement I guess.

Also notice that I said 'started dying.' If you aren't going to reply to my posts in their full context I would rather you just not reply to me at all.

Originally Posted by mad825

It's the future in the same sense that full-blown holographic media is the future. There are three problems:

1. There is only one South Korea on this planet
2. A number of countries still have to lay-down Fibre optic to achieve network stability
3. ISPs still have "Fair Usage Policies" regardless of your upload/download limit

So I'm assuming you are unaware that the fully functional and publicly accessible OnLive and Gaikai are, in fact, cloud gaming. I have full access to cloud gaming with my consumer level Comcast connection, meanwhile I do not have access to full blown holographic media. So..... you're wrong.

[Enraged Penguin]

Originally Posted by tZer

Can we stop these shenanigans and paid spammers now?

Well to be honest, I find it quite amusing that we've completed derailed this guys attempt at spam by turning it into a massive debate about pros/cons of cloud gaming. The guy didn't even see it coming, he was just shot down immediately and the shenanigans commenced.

The forum moderators might not find it quite so amusing mind you.. But you can't please everyone lol.


Neiloch@ That's true, assuming the games I paid for HAD online features. And that's assuming that I had Xbox LIVE on the original Xbox at all, which I didn't.

You can't compare the loss of online features to the loss of an entire game. Someone mentioned playing Batman Arkham Asylum through OnLive earlier. Are you seriously suggesting that my inability to play Halo 2 online is the same as a person being unable to play the entirety of Arkham Asylum? When I can still access the vast majority of the games features.

[Saieno]

Originally Posted by Enraged Penguin

I beg to differ. As cool as this OnLive thing sounds to me, there's nothing stopping them from just closing up shop and removing access to all of your games.

OnLive has done nothing but grown since day one of its release. Saying 'if then' scenarios doesn't make OnLive any less of a platform. I mean if Steam really wanted to they could remove all the content remotely through their steam client, but that's asinine to say just like your statement.

[mad825]

Originally Posted by Neiloch

So I'm assuming you are unaware that the fully functional and publicly accessible OnLive and Gaikai are, in fact, cloud gaming. I have full access to cloud gaming with my consumer level Comcast connection, meanwhile I do not have access to full blown holographic media. So..... you're wrong.

I was saying that it's not mainstream and won't be mainstream for a very, very long time.

[Enraged Penguin]

Originally Posted by Saieno

OnLive has done nothing but grown since day one of its release. Saying 'if then' scenarios doesn't make OnLive any less of a platform. I mean if Steam really wanted to they could remove all the content remotely through their steam client, but that's asinine to say just like your statement.

My comment is not asinine in the slightest. It was a reply to someone who bluntly stated that it is not possible to own a physical item more than a digital one stored on someone else's property, which is incorrect. I was simply pointing that out.

[Saieno]

Originally Posted by mad825

I was saying that it's not mainstream and won't be mainstream for a very, very long time.

Yeah I can agree with this statement. When the service started out for the first 6 months it had about 20,000 users. Once it announced the Game System and started advertising the numbers jumped up to 500,000+ in a few weeks. Currently we have close to a million total users, 750,000 I would say are very active, but even then it doesn't measure up to other platforms.

Once we see the new consoles launch OnLive will take off again, since it never has to be upgraded by the end user with OnLive upgrading their hardware every 6 months.

[SethSteiner]

EULAs, AGBs, Terms of Agreement - many don't care. They think they OWN the game and know what, I think so too. The software industry made their own dream land but that means anyone have to accept that. That also applys for the future. No, cloud gaming isn't the futue. The industry tries to indoctrinate gamers with all those news, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, repeat something again and again until the people believe it and than it's happening. Not with me.

Oh and what happens if Steam really wanted to remove everything? Hum.. we still have the data and the sites are full with informations to make this data work again. But I don't have data with a streaming site. Oh and don't forget about such things as censoreship. Steam did it already but you can still bypass it. With OnLive there is no control by the consumer anymore, he had to face censoreship and couldn't do anything against it. Not with import, not with cracks. I think OnLive is dangerous and therefore should be stopped immediatly. And of course, programs like Steam and different methods from game companies should also watched. This industry needs new rules and consumer rights that which are worthy of the name.

[Neiloch]

Originally Posted by mad825

I was saying that it's not mainstream and won't be mainstream for a very, very long time.

Oh so you're just terrible at making comparisons, okay.

It's not mainstream now, true. But people are already being eased in by things like streaming update clients, always on DRM and Steam and soon to be EA Origin. it's the next logical step and its already fully accessible on a consumer level. Hell cloud gaming is already further along than alternative fuel based automobiles. Only thing stopping it right now is consumer level obstacles such as extremely poor infrastructure in certain countries and flat out ignorance of how it works as seen in this very thread.

[Saieno]

Originally Posted by Enraged Penguin

My comment is not asinine in the slightest. It was a reply to someone who bluntly stated that it is not possible to own a physical item more than a digital one stored on someone else's property, which is incorrect. I was simply pointing that out.

You're defining a physical object as ownership. Let me ask you this, how much money do you have? I don't expect you to answer, but if your first thought is to login to your bank account online then I've already got you. Most of us don't pay for anything with 'physical' currency, we just swipe a plastic card and verify a funds transfer of digital cash. If the banks system completely crashed and all records of your bank were wiped you'd be broke.

[Enraged Penguin]

Originally Posted by Saieno

You're defining a physical object as ownership. Let me ask you this, how much money do you have? I don't expect you to answer, but if your first thought is to login to your bank account online then I've already got you. Most of us don't pay for anything with 'physical' currency, we just swipe a plastic card and verify a funds transfer of digital cash. If the banks system completely crashed and all records of your bank were wiped you'd be broke.

Haha okay well played

Although to be honest with you, in terms of what I class as one of my possessions, money is not even on the list. It's just bits of paper, or numbers on a computer screen. But the sad reality is, I need it to get by in this place. If I didn't need it, I'd throw it away.

But yeah I guess you have kinda got me there. And if not me, you've got quite a lot of other people lol.


But the point I was making is that, as things stand now, if I've got a choice between buying a game on a Cloud network or buying one from a store. I'll buy one from a store. Purely because I can play it anytime I want (okay I may lose access to online features at some point) without having to deal with what is essentially a giant access control system. Maybe that will change in the future like Neiloch was saying, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

[Neiloch]

Originally Posted by SethSteiner

EULAs, AGBs, Terms of Agreement - many don't care. They think they OWN the game and know what, I think so too. The software industry made their own dream land but that means anyone have to accept that. That also applys for the future. No, cloud gaming isn't the futue. The industry tries to indoctrinate gamers with all those news, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, repeat something again and again until the people believe it and than it's happening. Not with me.

Oh and what happens if Steam really wanted to remove everything? Hum.. we still have the data and the sites are full with informations to make this data work again. But I don't have data with a streaming site. Oh and don't forget about such things as censoreship. Steam did it already but you can still bypass it. With OnLive there is no control by the consumer anymore, he had to face censoreship and couldn't do anything against it. Not with import, not with cracks. I think OnLive is dangerous and therefore should be stopped immediatly. And of course, programs like Steam and different methods from game companies should also watched. This industry needs new rules and consumer rights that which are worthy of the name.

That would be an issue with your government, Germany, more than Steam or w/e vendor is supplying the software. Even if there were a myriad of new consumer rights levied on the the developers and vendors on a international level you would have the same censorship problems.

[Stevo_]

Tommorow will be a legendary day if it does get delivered. Wish you luck lads!

[sahdev_92]

Originally Posted by JCpie

Damn.

How I feel exactly.

I live in the UK and I'm waiting for my copy of the PS3 version of the game (I ordered from Play.com). But I may also get the PC version since I've got a capable PC to run the game.

Otherwise, garyriley1982, have a good time with DX:HR!

[SethSteiner]

Yes, the government is an issue but it is an even greater issue to attack my rights of ownership! Not only that the industry already thinks I don't own my stuff, now there is OnLive with a mindset I shouldn't even have it on my drive anymore. It will open the floodgates of fraud and censoreship, which take already steps. And that comparison between a bank and goods is loughable, these are two completly different topics. Well played? Oh know, it's not well played if I begin to compare the whole financial sector with it's threats that have to be faced (and maybe aren't really a threat) to the gaming industry in which there is no important argument for adding threats I didn't had five years ago!