DRM and Steam

[binlargin]

Will this game have limited activations, or will we own it and be able to sell it second hand?

Will it be available on Steam?

[Kodaemon]

It will be available on Steam, but there's no word on whether Steam is forced on the boxed version as well.

[Blade_hunter]

This is probably the kind of info that we will got near the release of the game.

[NKD]

Yeah it's likely that some of this stuff isn't even finalized yet, but I imagine DRM will be similar if not identical to other Eidos titles.

[mad825]

I contacted SE about this and got:

That information has not yet been announced or we are not able to comment at this time. Please stay up to date on our website (www.SQUARE-ENIX.com/NA) for up to date information on our titles (both current and upcoming). We apologize we cannot assist further at this time.

no surprise but personally I just hope it's just sercuROM

[Remington]

Originally Posted by mad825

no surprise but personally I just hope it's just not sercuROM

There, fixed.

[mad825]

Originally Posted by Remington

There, fixed.

No

sercuROM is far easily removed/tricked than the other types of DRM available like Steam or GFWL

[MrFoxter]

I personally prefer Steam. SecuROM makes me juggle my precious game discs while with Steam I can just play when I want. What is your problem with uninstalling Steam? Far easier than getting rid of SecuROM

[Shralla]

Originally Posted by mad825

No

sercuROM is far easily removed/tricked than the other types of DRM available like Steam or GFWL

Yeah, and unlike Steam, it's practically a malicious program that limits your activations and harvests user data without your permission.

I can see how it's much more awesome than Steam, hatred of which typically falls under "Man I sure do hate things that are ridiculously convenient and useful."

[mad825]

Originally Posted by MrFoxter

What is your problem with uninstalling Steam?

you can no longer play Steam enabled games?

Originally Posted by Shralla

Yeah, and unlike Steam, it's practically a malicious program that limits your activations and harvests user data without your permission.

*faceplam*
who doesn't collect data without your permission these days? hell even MS OS does, this is including the Mac also Steam is no exception to this, read the T&C for once in your life.
limit activations? meh, unless your going on-line or over LAN it's not a problem even then it can easily be "fixed" for LAN purposes

I can see how it's much more awesome than Steam, hatred of which typically falls under "Man I sure do hate things that are ridiculously convenient and useful.".

*cough*
fanboy alert.
it's sure useful if Steam stops me from playing the games I brought :/

[Dead-Eye]

I don't see this thread getting out of hand.

[sonicsidewinder]

Steam is a great service that shouldnt be bashed. Especially when it's a big part of what keeps the whole pc-gaming heart pumping.

[AlexOfSpades]

I think we already discussed these matters on another thread... or was it in the Thief 4 forums? Nevermind!

Anyways i like Steam~ its useful and practical

I dont have anything against it.

I'd just Hate if it was FORCED on Steam like HL² or Portal. Now, really.

I like to bring my computer to the living room and connect it to the TV using that special cable. I dont have internet there ~ how could i play hl2 then?

If its availabe in Steam AND in regular box, then i'm happy.

[Decho]

Impulse Reactor - my favourite form of DRM, no need to have the client program going to run the game, only needed to get patches. Good balance imo, though GOG's DRM is still the best

Edit: @AlexofSpades - if you know you're going to do it then put Steam into offline mode, then you're good to go.

[MrFoxter]

Originally Posted by AlexOfSpades

I like to bring my computer to the living room and connect it to the TV using that special cable. I dont have internet there ~ how could i play hl2 then?

Steam has really nice offline mode. All you need to do is just activating your game via internet once and then you can play offline. No need to switch to offline mode before you are actually offline, so you can just take your computer and go anywhere you want. I play on notebook and I'm often without connection, so I find offline mode quite useful
___

Anyway, don't you smell something burning in this thread?

[St. Mellow]

Here we go again.

[Fluffis]

This again? Geez.

[Shralla]

Originally Posted by mad825

who doesn't collect data without your permission these days? hell even MS OS does, this is including the Mac also Steam is no exception to this, read the T&C for once in your life.

Hey guess what? If it's in the "T&C" then no, it isn't without your permission.

limit activations? meh, unless your going on-line or over LAN it's not a problem even then it can easily be "fixed" for LAN purposes

Going online, you mean like SecuROM does every single time you play any game that has it?

fanboy alert.

Wow, I'm sorry that I'm a fan of something that allows me to buy games cheaper than anywhere else, while also allowing me to install and play them on any computer I happen to be on without the need for discs or limiting installs.

it's sure useful if Steam stops me from playing the games I brought :/

Which happens... never? Okay. Unless you're one of the unfortunate few who has completely garbage Internet, there's nothing bad about Steam.

[mad825]

Originally Posted by Shralla

Hey guess what? If it's in the "T&C" then no, it isn't without your permission.

I suppose that voids your argument as well then.

Going online, you mean like SecuROM does every single time you play any game that has it?

SecuROM≠Steam or GFWL
unlike Steam and GFWL, there are many different versions of SecuROM, it's only since V7.0 (standard settings) it has been doing that for one activation.
you see, there is no specific "Rule"/restriction in SecuROM and they are normally set by the publisher. fallout3 has practically no DRM although it does have SecuROM, there is a gaping hole in the protection. In short: they cracked the game for you.

Wow, I'm sorry that I'm a fan of something that allows me to buy games cheaper than anywhere else, while also allowing me to install and play them on any computer I happen to be on without the need for discs or limiting installs.

cheaper!?!? not even common steam users would agree with this.
discs and limitation is never a problem, it's only stupid people who have problems as there is always a simple fix, quite surprisingly it's mostly editing Registry keys.

Which happens... never? Okay. Unless you're one of the unfortunate few who has completely garbage Internet, there's nothing bad about Steam.

the policy? the fact that EVERY *** game needs launched via client and restricting software modification!

[Shralla]

EDIT: You know, I was going to refute your points again, but it's become blatantly obvious that you're just incredibly butthurt about something vaguely related to Steam. Have your games ever stopped working? Has Steam ever prevented you from doing something on your computer? Is there some vile little Steam gnome on your computer that pisses in your Wheaties every time you sit down?

I bet the answer is no. But I shouldn't have to edit *** registry keys to play my goddamn games, thank you very much. You have not pointed out a single legitimate flaw in the Steam application or concept.

[kud13]

popcorn, anyone?

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by AlexOfSpades

I like to bring my computer to the living room and connect it to the TV using that special cable. I dont have internet there ~ how could i play hl2 then?

...offline mode?

[Dead-Eye]

Can we go back to the religious debate?

[Senka]

Actually, as much as I love steam some users on another forum pointed out quite a few flaws, especially with offline mode. It's very buggy, and you have to log into online mode to switch to offline - which is quite a big flaw for some. There were some other points relevant to people with poor internet, can't remember them though. basically, steams cool, not perfect, $1 =/= 1 pound etc. Alot of countries (Australia) get price gouged on items by quite a significant amount. See http://steamunpowered.eu/ for info

[kud13]

Steam is great if you live in the West and have unlimited bandwidth and a decent connection.

if the top speed you can get is under 5 Mbps, having to pay for traffic as you go, with constant hangups (some people still use dial-up, imagine that), Steam becomes a much less-than-perfect solution.