Thoughts about deus ex: Human Revolution close combat

[dropthehate]

Hi there. I'm sorry for my English. It's not perfect but i came to this forum to tell my idea that came to me after i seen human revolution trailer that was awesome)) I know that developers of deus ex have their own plan how to do this game good but i have some idea about close combat in this game.
Here's the point: How about to do something like cut-scenes in the close combat when our "hero" using their arm-implants like in trailer but we will see this from first person view. I don't mean a "static" cut scenes 3-4 times in the game. I mean interactive fighting scenes all over the game situations. For example in some narrow corridor or in the elevator with 2-3 enemyes. Easy example. Elevator going down to you and you see with infrared-vision that there are enemyes in there. You just choosing melee weapon arm-implants, they are transformating from your arms and when the elevator opens all you need is to pushing left mouse button to fight by arms and right mouse button to fight by legs. To do this easyer may be need to do some short slow-mo moments when you need to push some button to do another strike - like in Batman arkham but it will be not simple melee-fight like in deus ex 2. It will be real cut-scene from 1st person view like in.. modern warfare 1 and 2 for example. But i think it will be too hard to push buttons in the right time.. but in real fight it's not so easy to kill 3 jerks in the elevator you know :-D and all this fights have to be from 1st person view. It's can be very cool. I know that developing of interactive fights in random situations need a lot of work but imagine what success this thing can brought to your game. Okay, if this fights in random situations impossible how about to do 10-20 different fighting scenes from 1st persom view in the key missions of the game? You guys have about half year to work) i think it's not impossible to do and it's very good idea to give this game some cool-show fights like in the trailer. Ooor it's not good enough?

[puzl]

you best be trollin', son.

[dropthehate]

i'm not trollin) i'm serious) i'm not telling some stupid things) it's rlly good idea i think. It can brought to the game some showiness, adrenaline, i don't know. Really, i love deus ex but sometimes it too slow and boring game that yells: I NEED MORE ACTION GOD DAMN. Show me someone who will not happy to see this idea in game?

[Ashpolt]

Originally Posted by dropthehate

i'm not trollin

Originally Posted by dropthehate

i love deus ex but sometimes it too slow and boring game that yells: I NEED MORE ACTION GOD DAMN.

Uh-huh.

[Pinky_Powers]

Well... here we are.

[Irate Iguana]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Uh-huh.

You've got to admit, the username is a nice touch.

[IOOI]

Originally Posted by dropthehate

Here's the point: How about to do something like cut-scenes in the close combat when our "hero" using their arm-implants like in trailer but we will see this from first person view. I don't mean a "static" cut scenes 3-4 times in the game. I mean interactive fighting scenes all over the game situations. For example in some narrow corridor or in the elevator with 2-3 enemyes. Easy example. Elevator going down to you and you see with infrared-vision that there are enemyes in there. You just choosing melee weapon arm-implants, they are transformating from your arms and when the elevator opens all you need is to pushing left mouse button to fight by arms and right mouse button to fight by legs. To do this easyer may be need to do some short slow-mo moments when you need to push some button to do another strike - like in Batman arkham but it will be not simple melee-fight like in deus ex 2. It will be real cut-scene from 1st person view like in.. modern warfare 1 and 2 for example.

No. Quick time events don't fit in this game. It just needs better melee combat and sneak attacks. Maximum would be showing the final blow in slow-mo (optional like in SWJKII).

*But* if this was a full fledged RPG (which it isn't) you should have the choice to follow the "brawler's" path to the end (improve reflexes and have access to quick-time events, more slow-mo takedows and auto target selection/mark-and-execute and all the shizzle), but like in every RPG there are advantages and disadvantages.

But i think it will be too hard to push buttons in the right time.. but in real fight it's not so easy to kill 3 jerks in the elevator you know :-D and all this fights have to be from 1st person view.

In real life three junkies would kick your ass. Really, I'm telling you. They are though when in group.
In DX if you have to confront three guys you should use a grenade for instance. You'd still could use melee/HTH but it should be very hard, very noisy and you'd lose health. The comfort zone would be facing two guys: grab one by the throat making it impossible to scream and threat the second one with a pistol or threat to kill is buddy if he screams (should vary with AI input - if would risk his buddy's life and scream).

Okay, if this fights in random situations impossible how about to do 10-20 different fighting scenes from 1st persom view in the key missions of the game? You guys have about half year to work) i think it's not impossible to do and it's very good idea to give this game some cool-show fights like in the trailer. Ooor it's not good enough?

Oh my... this is even worse.

[Sotsiak]

[Hammich]

I think something like Riddick's melee/takedown system and killzone2/call of juarez's cover systems would've been the logical evolution for Deus Ex of this generation. Keeps it in first person while still giving the player some control.

And I've always wondered, in Deus Ex games, the protagonist's vision is always augmented but but unless you activate biomods you don't see anything special. I would've thought a complete ripoff of riddicks eyeshine would have been appropriate.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Hammich

I would've thought a complete ripoff of riddicks eyeshine would have been appropriate.

Appropriate for a game that doesn't spent a lot of time in the dark? What good is eyeshine when the lights are still on? Maybe you like to burn out your retinas, but that's a savage pleasure I have no thirst for.

[Hammich]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

Appropriate for a game that doesn't spent a lot of time in the dark? What good is eyeshine when the lights are still on? Maybe you like to burn out your retinas, but that's a savage pleasure I have no thirst for.

Maybe you might have missed that both previous Deus Ex games have taken place entirely at night?

[TrickyVein]

^^ That would be true, except that it isn't. Dork-JC-clone stomped around in Cairo during the early morning. You're point is substantially correct tho - however, Dugas has just clarified that stealth in DX3 is not based on shadows at all, but rather, line of sight.

[K^2]

We've known about line-of-sight stealth, as in absolutely-confirmed-no-getting-around-it-we-are-not-going-to-change-core-gameplay-at-this-stage for at least a year now.

[JCpie]

1) Use paragraphs.
2) Use real words.
3) Don't bother suggesting anything else.
4) Have a nice day.

[lithos]

Human Revolution has close combat?

What about those cutscenes the animators worked so hard on?

[Slack]

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[Aonaran]

Originally Posted by Hammich

I think something like Riddick's melee/takedown system ... Keeps it in first person while still giving the player some control....I would've thought a complete ripoff of riddicks eyeshine would have been appropriate.

+1

I hadn't played the first until the re-release, but I have to say these games did take downs VERY right, I'm surprised to see no one has ripped what is a big step in first person melee.

[KSingh77]

Be expecting a 30 minute takedown movie of Adam killing a bunch of guys in Daft Punk costumes with his arm blades,meanwhile Barrett sneaks up behind him to falcon punch Adam unless you hit the button sequence right.

Fail and you get a cutscene where Barrett calls Adam a boyscout.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by KSingh77

Be expecting a 30 minute takedown movie of Adam killing a bunch of guys in Daft Punk costumes with his arm blades,meanwhile Barrett sneaks up behind him to falcon punch Adam unless you hit the button sequence right.

Fail and you get a cutscene where Barrett calls Adam a boyscout.

I MUST learn that button combination!!

[Kodaemon]

Originally Posted by Sotsiak

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By the way:



Separated at birth?

[Pinky_Powers]

^... Where the hell did you pull that out of?

[Kodaemon]

teh internets

[KSingh77]

Theres always the pistol with the silencer,surprise the game didn't breakout into third person everytime Adam pulled the trigger or else he would break out into an Equilibrium,Gun Kata fight style.

[lithos]

I'm surprised there isn't an auto-kill option. You know, as soon as Adam wanders within detection range of an NPC, the NPC automatically dies, even if the player didn't even know the NPC was there.

You know. It would help prevent the alienation of new players, who could quite possibly be put off by things like learning controls, aiming, managing ammo and other resources, not to mention the painful setback of dying and having to reload a save game.

[KSingh77]

All the npc die right away cause of his awsome goatee and shades.