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Also, while I don't share K^2's concerns this time, unless there was some PM exchange that resulted out of his comment, his concerns went largely unanswered. As you know, he's not just some troll who's bashing the community and EM for the heck of it, he's just as interested and participative in the discussions here as anyone. On topic now: Welcome Coyotegrey and thanks for that bit of concept art. Can you tell us how early in the design process that was made? |
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08-31-2010, 05:51 AM
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Hey Greycoy - er - I mean, coyotegrey! You're a young man. Don't let these forums gray your hairs any more.
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No, I'm serious! PC shots would be a bonus - if you check here you'll see that about 3/4 of us on here are intending to buy this game (if at all) on PC, so we'd like some reassurance that the PC version is getting love. The fact that the few shots released so far have been from the console versions, and have been aliased as hell, hasn't exactly helped. But platform digression aside, we really do want to see the menus. You'll learn quickly that, for the most part, we're not a group of people who will be impressed by flashy whizz-bang action and EXPLOSIONS and are instead (again, mostly) wanting to hear about how this game will offer depth. |
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There is definitely a plan in place for releasing information, including additional videos, assets, etc., but I'll do everything I can to give you more material. I assure you that as the title nears ever closer to its release date you'll see, read, and hear more content. Please be positive for the future and make helpful suggestions when you can. 
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Honestly I couldn't be less enthusiastic about DXHR at this point. Sure, maybe something will be released in the future that will have me frothing at the mouth like a rabid, newborn fanboy, but EM/Square Enix's marketing "plan" just plain sucks. For a company so keen on focus group development, why the hell wouldn't they ask us, the pre-established fanbase? Makes no damn sense. 
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Also I would like to point out that "when pigs fly and hell freezes over" isn't a marketing plan.
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To try and spin WildcatPhoenix's point into a more constructive, or at least more educational, post:
This is something you're going to have to be aware of here: Eidos Montreal's community relations have so far been non-existent. And I'm not even really exaggerating there: yes, there have been a couple of studio visits for a very lucky few (but a big two fingers up to everyone who lives outside of easy access to Montreal) but other than that, nothing, despite the fact that one of the things the community has been screaming for for a couple of years is some kind of feedback from the team. I'm not saying we're all going to suddenly be alright with (for example) regenerating health and the prevalence of third-person, etc, just because a dev comes on here and explains to us the reason for their inclusion, but it'd help to have an explanation of some kind, and directly to the people who are so vocally complaining about these elements - we've heard attempts at justifications for these elements, but a) they've been very vague and, in all honesty, poorly reasoned and b) they've been made directly to the press, rather than making even the vague attempt to include the community. The message from the community has been very, very clear: Eidos Montreal, we do not like what we've heard about these gameplay elements, please at least try to convince us otherwise. And this has been being said for two years now, EM can't really claim that we haven't been clear: if they paid any attention to their fanbase whatsoever they would have noticed this by now, but either they haven't paid attention, or they don't deem us worthy of communicating with (see my earlier question about devs being barred from posting on here.) Even when we had Rene before, he couldn't say anything really: I hope the same thing doesn't happen with you. This is a pretty rambling post, but to summarise: a lot of people on here are pretty annoyed at the complete and utter lack of respect EM has paid to its community, and you're going to have to deal with that. Good luck! |
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Look, I don't expect professional game developers to sit there with a notepad and pen scribbling down suggestions from every half-cooked, rambling thread on these boards. But these are the official forums for the game, occupied by probably the most enthusiastic Deus Ex fans in existence. We would be the ones geeking out over every single screenshot, every gameplay clip, every piece of info we could get! And we'd also be the first to start the word-of-mouth promotion that would equal more sales. So why ignore us? It genuinely feels like the existing DX fanbase is the absolute last priority for Eidos Montreal, especially when we see developers posting on other boards or releasing "press-only" footage at the largest gaming convention on the planet. If they spent half as much effort marketing the game as they do clamping down on E3 leaks, this board would be buzzing with anticipation by now. As Ashpolt said, there will be quite a few of us who are extremely upset by health regen, cutscenes, third-person, and so on. But with EM's current "plan" in place, I doubt I'll even buy this game on release. I'm going to wait until all reviews are in (from DX fans, f..k the gaming press!) and then think about it. Coming from me, an absolute Deus Ex fanatic, that says alot about how Eidos Montreal has managed to fumble this entire process.
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And yeah I realize the past history. I aim to do much, much better. But I just started two weeks ago yesterday, and, like I said, in addition to the usual duties I'm doing everything I can to make PAX a great experience for the community. I wish all of you could come out, but I know that's not the case.  I know it's a lot to ask to "hold tight a bit longer," but please understand that I've just started and there's so much to do. |
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All right, I will get to the point as it seems my extra comments were not taken into consideration
 1. The time of the not-for-the-masses oriented games is over. Deal with it. It ended with the niche-parent-dependent kid players coming of age. Then the games became attractive also to others, computers spread, internet (so advertising too) became more available. Games started to make profits, but also became more costly and time-consuming (no one person Commander Keen production no more), so there was no turning back. Games have to attract wide audience, so we will have to deal with different degrees of low value gameplay crap. Played Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines? Great game, one of the best I have ever played. One of the last really ambitious projects. They didn't have enough time to polish the game, the game did not sell well, the company went bankrupt. SUMMARY: Games won't be perfect from this time on - all we can do is to fight to get as little gaming manure as possible in the final product. In order to do so we have to agree what is the least harmful , and what attracts many, while we can try to convince the devs to do something about the major, subjective ofc, "flaws". My idea is that that CUTSCENES are okay, I always feel great pleasure at seeing all those small details in the video that you can see due to game engine's limitations (I mean fvms ofc, I don't like the engine based ones, even the ones used to introduce the neighbourhood at mission beginnings - this is probably unavoidable tho') I just can't get it why you hate'em so much - they have a strong power for attracting wider audience. COVER SYSTEM - instead of opposing it, why not try to convince the devs that it is all right to leave it and it is just that we want to have an option to turn it off? This option may not provide the same level of protection for us, but at least nothing would be forced on us. I don't believe that they would have to do much to make it work - they would just have to make the system not initialize the cover mode. That's all. So simple. I can live with that, even at the expense of worse defense and less spectacular visuals. Who knows, maybe at some point, while playing, even the biggest opponents would feel it might be good to give the system a try? Both parties would be happy, right? And they could show some cover eye candy in the trailers. THIRD PERSON takedowns - for me it is the worst stuff. I feel it is cheap, I do not like the idea of 1-3 person shifts(also the wall kills may become cheap and illogical if you have to use it every other fight). IS IT really so difficult to put the takedowns on and off option? The game may be more difficult then, no easy 3 soldiers at a time kill, but many people, I dare say, feel it would work better for them. NOW I ASK the CM - is it REALLY such a big deal to make it work that way? Or if you have that in plans, is it REALLY such a big deal to tell us about it? That's all, cheers!  PS. Ok, two more questions, if you can answer them - can you tell us if there will be a playable demo of the game? Question two - if your plans for releasing materials to the public ireally exists, why don't you put a meter on the webpage? That way we could at least know how long we have to wait and maybe even anticipate the new material more?
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Welcome, Coyotegrey.
Hopefully EM will allow you to disclose more information than your predecessor. Hope you know what you're in for. You will be endlessly hounded for info and when people don't get it they'll want your head on a pike. Such is the nature of making a prequel to arguably the greatest PC game of all time. Maybe with a change in staff we'll see a change in EM's marketing strategy... Nah!
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Welcome New Manager! Glad to see you! Whatever they're paying you, it is not enough!
Since this seems to be turning into a questiony thread... Will new information from pax be openly shown on the main site after the con? Also, will the Deus Ex 3 Installer let us choose which language we install it in? Please? |
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We need gameplay actually. Coyotegrey, your aim for september is to get some gameplay videos (=
We don't understand one simple thing - why all the gameplay footage of DXHR was demonstrated behind closed doors only? Why EM didn't share it with public? Where is official videos (the last teaser with a bit of gameplay cuts shows us almost nothing)? That's all for now.
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To those of you asking questions, please put those on hold for a while.
Kyle already said that he's going to be busy getting things sorted for PAX, and I'm pretty sure he has a truck-load of other things he has to do as he settles down into his new role. He has assured us that he'll do his best for us when he can, a little way down the line. In the meantime, let's just give him time and keep this thread just for your welcomes. 
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