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[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

I never understood why anyone would want to leave the matrix, or be gratefull for being freed, life in the matrix, even if knowing what it was, seemed so much better.

Then you clearly never delved into the lore any further than the principle films. Those that awoke lived everyday with a dread sense that something was horribly wrong. Morpheus describes it as "a splinter in the mind, driving you mad." You need to watch the Animatrix. You'll get a far better understanding of what sort of person is even capable of leaving the Matrix whole. They are universally grateful to be freed from that... with few exceptions.

[Nyysjan]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

Then you clearly never delved into the lore any further than the principle films. Those that awoke lived everyday with a dread sense that something was horribly wrong. Morpheus describes it as "a splinter in the mind, driving you mad." You need to watch the Animatrix. You'll get a far better understanding of what sort of person is even capable of leaving the Matrix whole. They are universally grateful to be freed from that... with few exceptions.

yeah, but after you are woken, you know what's wrong, nomore having to worry about it, you can make use of it, heck, if you can learn how to bend to matrix like the trenchcoat brigade, you could make a fortune out of it

[pringlepower]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

yeah, but after you are woken, you know what's wrong, nomore having to worry about it, you can make use of it, heck, if you can learn how to bend to matrix like the trenchcoat brigade, you could make a fortune out of it

But you'll never eat bacon. Ever.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by pringlepower

But you'll never eat bacon. Ever.

I had myself a rasher of bacon, scrambled eggs, half a tomato, and some toast this morning. Twas goodly on all fronts, but those that were not my fronts rebelled against the meal in the late morning, burning out my arse in angry sprays.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

I never understood why the machines kept humans alive, there's so much better sources of electricity available.

Not really. Animatrix explains this. Humans systematically started destroying any kind of energy providing resource so that machines would "starve". That includes with some horrible nuking, resulting in such thick layer of dust in air that sun couldn't penetrate it. Machines lost their main energy source and strated using these nifty fleshy batteries

[Nyysjan]

Originally Posted by Red

Not really. Animatrix explains this. Humans systematically started destroying any kind of energy providing resource so that machines would "starve". That includes with some horrible nuking, resulting in such thick layer of dust in air that sun couldn't penetrate it. Machines lost their main energy source and strated using these nifty fleshy batteries

geothermal, tides, wind, giant solarpanel farms in the orbit, nuclear fission, nuclear fusion, natural gas and oil (no *** way they could get to all the deposits, deep sea trilling, and if there's a spill, nobody cares, fish are dead already).
Hell, where do the humans get power for that matter? (i think it's geothermal, so no reason why the machines can't use it, seemed to be pretty nifty with drills).

[Red]

They're machines. Perhaps they just calculated that there's better power consumption/power gain coefficient in using people as batteries than drilling.

Happy now?

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Red

They're machines. Perhaps they just calculated that there's better power consumption/power gain coefficient in using people as batteries than drilling.

Happy now?

Perhaps it's not so much a mathematical convenience issue, and more a Freudian draw. We are their mother, and they long to crawl back into the safety of our womb.

[Shralla]

It was a symbiosis of sorts. The machines could probably keep going without the sun, but it made it much more difficult. The humans just couldn't exist without it, so they "joined forces."

Flesh is an illusion.

[Nyysjan]

Originally Posted by Red

They're machines. Perhaps they just calculated that there's better power consumption/power gain coefficient in using people as batteries than drilling.

Happy now?

No, i'm not.
Humans suck as batteries, the amount of electricity we produce when compared to the fuel we consume is ridicilously low, pretty much anything else would be more efficient.

[Pretentious Old Man.]

This is why I hate the matrix.

[Red]

It's a movie for gods sake. It's Food for thought not a depiction of reality.

[Nyysjan]

Originally Posted by Red

It's a movie for gods sake. It's Food for thought not a depiction of reality.

I'm thinking about it ain't i?
And it makes no sense whatsoever.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

I'm thinking about it ain't i?
And it makes no sense whatsoever.

My suggestion put your concerns to a final rest, if only you'd heed my awesome wisdom.

[Fluffis]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

No, i'm not.
Humans suck as batteries, the amount of electricity we produce when compared to the fuel we consume is ridicilously low, pretty much anything else would be more efficient.

But the fuel we consume in The Matrix is... well, ourselves.

[Nyysjan]

Originally Posted by Fluffis

But the fuel we consume in The Matrix is... well, ourselves.

wich brings up another issue, there's not that much food in one human, compared to what a human body needs to keep going.
Sure, if you consume only the absolute minimum, and do nothing that uses up energy (like act as a glorified power battery), you might last surprisingly long, but nowhere near long enough for your replacement to be born, grown, and ready to eat you, your "power batteries" would end up consuming themselves.

And for that matter, where do the humans get their food? Somekind of fungus that doesn't need light? (i bet that could be converted into some sort of biofuel that would work better than humans, seriously, you'd get better power returns from a compost heap).

[Pretentious Old Man.]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

[pringlepower]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

wich brings up another issue, there's not that much food in one human, compared to what a human body needs to keep going.
Sure, if you consume only the absolute minimum, and do nothing that uses up energy (like act as a glorified power battery), you might last surprisingly long, but nowhere near long enough for your replacement to be born, grown, and ready to eat you, your "power batteries" would end up consuming themselves.

And for that matter, where do the humans get their food? Somekind of fungus that doesn't need light? (i bet that could be converted into some sort of biofuel that would work better than humans, seriously, you'd get better power returns from a compost heap).

I'm pretty sure the humans are fed chopped up and blenderized parts of dead humans.

Anyways, would you prefer the robots used hydrogen fuel cells, thus completely killing the human race and making The Matrix about a bunch of robots flying around powered by hydrogen, doing.... nothing?

[Fluffis]

Originally Posted by pringlepower

I'm pretty sure the humans are fed chopped up and blenderized parts of dead humans.

Actually, they are transformed into liquid in some way, and then other humans are fed on that. It's all in the first movie.

[Pretentious Old Man.]

[pha]

I had a theory about the human - machine relationship before the sequels and Animatrix came up.

It was the humans' inaccurate assumption that the machines needed humans only as an energy source. Morpheus explains it to Neo (and the audience), but how did they know, did they interview the machines? Please, they have torn clothes and they eat puke. The machines are doing humans a favor, because they adore their organic creators for their gift of existence and self-awareness, their representatives in the Matrix look human, and without/before watching the sequels, one would go far as to say that machines built the fields to keep humans in a controlled environment to protect them (for a machine's simple logic, protection IS survival, no attachments, as long as you live or function, you're fine) so they make sure humans survive, they send sentinels after rebel ships because they know they'll weaken/damage the fields and humans are too weak to survive without machines' help. Yes, they utilize the energy of human bodies, but it's just compensation for their service to their creators, plus it's a circle, they need this energy source to make sure humans survive.

But as a general rule of the entertainment sector, the sequels came with unsatisfying explanations like "There are levels of survival we're prepared to accept." and ruined everything.

[Kodaemon]

Actually, the "battery" part of the Matrix movies was executive meddling. The original idea was that the machines used humans for our brains' processing power. But the execs thoughtthe audience wouldn't understand the concept, thus we got the ridiculous unsustainable setup :/

[pha]

Figures.

[atheelogos]

Originally Posted by Nyysjan

I never understood why the machines kept humans alive, there's so much better sources of electricity available.
I never understood why anyone would want to leave the matrix, or be gratefull for being freed, life in the matrix, even if knowing what it was, seemed so much better.

They say either in the wiki/expanded universe or in movies, can't remember which one, but they kept humans alive because they didn't believe in genocide.

[atheelogos]

Originally Posted by ThePrecursor

I love how the cloaking device looks (when he activates it), it's just as good in-game as in the E3 trailer!

(Geeks out) I know right!! I saw the leak and in that version they didn't have that effect, so it had me worried that the orange color of cloak was just for the E3 trailer I'm glad to see I was wrong.