3rd person Take

[Shralla]

Except you can't possibly have an opinion about something that you've never experienced. That's called guessing.

[Irate Iguana]

Originally Posted by Shralla

Except you can't possibly have an opinion about something that you've never experienced. That's called guessing.

As much guessing as saying that everything will be fine.

[Bushmonster]

there is not much of a difference

i was speculating how it will be based on my opinion in games that i have experience

and another thing fallout 3 wasnt steath based but 3rd person made it a quite bit easier, because it gave me absolute knowledge of the enemies location, leaving little to rely on thought

[Mindmute]

Originally Posted by xAcerbusx

Actually, I already had this argument over at the Thief 4 forum. I listed off every game released so far in 2010, and first-person-perspective games still outnumbered third-person by over half. Check it out:



I mean... they're making a Halo and Call of Duty game every year... as a matter of fact, last year they came out with two Call of Duty games. I, for one, am getting more than a little weary of it. FPS was overused in 1999 and it's only proliferating more with each passing year.

New Vegas is playable in 3rd person so that's one less for you 1st person list;
Battlefield_1943 was released over an year ago, not in 2010;
Mafia 2 is a 3rd person game.
Mass Effect 2 is missing from your list.


Your list is also only considering shooters. DX:HR isn't a shooter, it's a RPG-Action hybrid game, so it'd be fair to consider other types of games for your ratio.

But even without those and just the ammendments I made above the ratio switches to 16-10, making the margin a LOT smaller than you'd like to paint it.

[xAcerbusx]

Originally Posted by Mindmute

Your list is also only considering shooters.

...and Mass Effect 2 isn't a shooter. It's an RPG / shooter / whatever else. Applying the same logic you just applied to Fallout 3 New Vegas, it's disqualified.

But even without those and just the ammendments I made above the ratio switches to 16-10, making the margin a LOT smaller than you'd like to paint it.

Actually, it's still around 2-to-1. You see, on the third-person side, I included games that haven't even been released yet, some of which have since been pushed back to 2011 or later. Also, one must bear in mind... that 2010 has more third-person shooters than any year in recent memory. We push this little survey back even one year and the disparity gets even more cavernous.

[Mindmute]

Originally Posted by xAcerbusx

...and Mass Effect 2 isn't a shooter. It's an RPG / shooter / whatever else. Applying the same logic you just applied to Fallout 3 New Vegas, it's disqualified.

Neither are DX:HR or Thief 4 shooters, they're also RPG-Action games, so by that logic, your whole list is disqualified, since it's irrelevant for this dicussion regarding a trend that affected DX!

Originally Posted by xAcerbusx

We push this little survey back even one year and the disparity gets even more cavernous.

That's exactly why it's considering a growing trend, in the past year alone the number of 3rd person games shot up immensely like you commented.

[xAcerbusx]

Originally Posted by Mindmute

Neither are DX:HR or Thief 4 shooters, they're also RPG-Action games, so by that logic, your whole list is disqualified, since it's irrelevant for this dicussion regarding a trend that affected DX!

We weren't talking about a trend with consequences for Deus Ex. Try to follow the discussion, rather than simply replying to a sentence at a time. I was talking about the ratio of FPS games to TPS games, because I stated that I was 'weary of all the FPS games being released'. I then illustrated this point by listing FPS games and TPS games. At no point were the consequences for DX3 discussed. The only reason it relates is because I felt it was refreshing in the current market of first-person shooter oversaturation to have Deus Ex 3 embrace a third-person viewpoint at times.

That's exactly why it's considering a growing trend, in the past year alone the number of 3rd person games shot up immensely like you commented.

Can't argue with you, there. The TPS market has grown immensely in the last year. But here's the thing: Third-person shooters have only started to rise in popularity over the last couple years. On the other hand, the market has been oversaturated with first-person shooters since the late '90s at the very least. It's time to embrace a different formula, in my view.

[Mindmute]

Originally Posted by xAcerbusx

We weren't talking about a trend with consequences for Deus Ex. Try to follow the discussion, rather than simply replying to a sentence at a time. I was talking about the ratio of FPS games to TPS games, because I stated that I was 'weary of all the FPS games being released'. I then illustrated this point by listing FPS games and TPS games. At no point were the consequences for DX3 discussed. The only reason it relates is because I felt it was refreshing in the current market of first-person shooter oversaturation to have Deus Ex 3 embrace a third-person viewpoint at times.

This is a board about DX:HR though, people were discussing this phenomenom in light of the DX:HR situation.

Even the thread is about DX:HR specifically, so I'm not to blame for assuming that your comment'd follow the topic of the thread. That's why I commented your list wasn't relevant as long as it includes only shooters and not other action games.

Originally Posted by xAcerbusx

Can't argue with you, there. The TPS market has grown immensely in the last year. But here's the thing: Third-person shooters have only started to rise in popularity over the last couple years. On the other hand, the market has been oversaturated with first-person shooters since the late '90s at the very least. It's time to embrace a different formula, in my view.

No arguements about that here either, FP and TP can be just as enjoyable provided they are done right. What people are complaining about regarding the takedowns is that they lead to frequent changes in the ongoing perspective of the game. It's an awkward design decision that apparently is based around a "Let's reward the player with a cool shot of himself" philosophy rather than putting the game as it's own reward.