All Star Batman & Robin discussion thread

[Zur-en-ah]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

Amazing ... cannot wait for this. Quitely's gotta be one of the best in the game at the moment

[Matches Malone]

No need to wait its out already. Last book of the first volume. Its a variant cover.

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

@ Matches, thats a good drawing but I think the colours are way too subdued and I prefer Lee's take on the characters by far. I love how in ASBAR he draws Batman and Robin (and the other characters too I suppose) to resemble their incarnations in TDKR, with Batman having the big beefy emblem on his chest and such.

Subdued?! If Robin was any more intense my monitor would literally be on fire, I think that's the amazing part it reflects the stark contrast between Batman & Robin. Batman's colors are perfect & I think Quietly's gritty style resembles TDKR art more than Lee's cleaner art.

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

No need to wait its out already. Last book of the first volume. Its a variant cover.



Subdued?! If Robin was any more intense my monitor would literally be on fire, I think that's the amazing part it reflects the stark contrast between Batman & Robin. Batman's colors are perfect & I think Quietly's gritty style resembles TDKR art more than Lee's cleaner art.

I would have to agree, as much as I like Lee's art, Quietly's fits much, much better in the TDKR universe.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

Subdued?! If Robin was any more intense my monitor would literally be on fire, I think that's the amazing part it reflects the stark contrast between Batman & Robin. Batman's colors are perfect & I think Quietly's gritty style resembles TDKR art more than Lee's cleaner art.

Look how dark the green portions of his costume are. His cape seems a little darkened and desaturated as well. The skin tones have heavy shading and are more brown than red.

Its not exactly tricky to highlight the contrast between the colours of Robin and the dark tones of Batman either. Sticking Robin in front of Batman in almost any situation is going to make that contrast very obvious.

I think Lee's art resembles TDKR's better than Quitelys. I think Lee exaggerates the characters more with Batman being absolutely massive and Robin being this tiny little ball of colours. Quitely's art is more realistic while Lee's is a big bombastic cartoon show much like Frank's. I suppose Quitely's resembles Miller's in the way they both have minimal inked surface detail compared to Lee's but thats about it IMO.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by A Dark Knight

I know I ask everyone this, but this being a discussion thread, did you like All Star Batman? Have you even read it yet? Thanks

Hi there.

Yes, of course I've read it. It's one of the early Ba

[batfan08]

I own that variant...one of my favorites.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I think the Miller variant covers are the coolest. The one with Batman running on rootops? Classic.

[batfan08]

I never really was a big fan of post 80's miller,too blocky.

[The Hylden]

Looking at the cover, there's a reason for the muted colors. The sky is at dusk, with the last rays of the sun's "magic hour" passing off the horizon. That orange and red light will change the natural look of the green and yellow on Robin's suit, not to mention the skin tone.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Originally Posted by The Hylden

Looking at the cover, there's a reason for the muted colors. The sky is at dusk, with the last rays of the sun's "magic hour" passing off the horizon. That orange and red light will change the natural look of the green and yellow on Robin's suit, not to mention the skin tone.

Well you got me there.

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

I think the Miller variant covers are the coolest. The one with Batman running on rootops? Classic.

If you're talking about the Miller Variants for All Star, I'll have to disagree on that one. IMO his variant covers look kind of like there were once comic panels but were blown up to make a cover. DOn't get me wrong, I like Miller's art in stuff like TDKR and Daredevil, but these covers look like they weren't made for covers. The edges on the people seem to be jagged and things like that, and it just bothers me.

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

I think the Miller variant covers are the coolest. The one with Batman running on rootops? Classic.

They are all very stunning, I want these 3 in giant prints on my wall.

Originally Posted by batfan08

I never really was a big fan of post 80's miller,too blocky.

Boo!!!! Giant blocky brick fists are the best.

[Zur-en-ah]

who's that artist again? very familiar with some old Punisher stuff I used to love

<edit: doh -- it's Miller, isn't it? just reminded me of some other Punisher art>

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by batfan08

I never really was a big fan of post 80's miller,too blocky.

My thoughts, said better.

[A Dark Knight]

Wow. I just started reading the reprints of old Batman comics from the late 30's and early 40's (Batman Chronicles). Man, they used to be fantastical and pretty dark. And Batman KILLED criminals. Interesting.

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by A Dark Knight

Wow. I just started reading the reprints of old Batman comics from the late 30's and early 40's (Batman Chronicles). Man, they used to be fantastical and pretty dark. And Batman KILLED criminals. Interesting.

Didn't he carry around a gun too, at first? That's just the 40's for ya.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Yeah when Batman started out he was basically a pulp hero.

[A Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

Yeah when Batman started out he was basically a pulp hero.

Originally Posted by batmanboy11

Didn't he carry around a gun too, at first? That's just the 40's for ya.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he did but after he was portrayed as shooting and killing something or someone, a DC president decided Batman should have the code of not killing criminals. This stuff is still really good though, IMO.

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by A Dark Knight

Yeah I'm pretty sure he did but after he was portrayed as shooting and killing something or someone, a DC president decided Batman should have the code of not killing criminals. This stuff is still really good though, IMO.

Despit the quality of the early stuff I'm glad they decided that he shouldn't kill. Needless to say it would be a completely different Batman if they hadn't. IMO the thing that seperates him most from the other heroes is his moral code.

[Old_BenKenobi]

How? Most other mainstream heroes don't kill.

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by Old_BenKenobi

How? Most other mainstream heroes don't kill.

There are some that kill (Punisher, Iron Man, Daredevil, etc.) and it just changes things. Take Daredevil, for instance. The first time he puts on the costume

he goes after his father's killers and kills them and Daredevil also kills if he deems it neccesary

while Batman never kills Joe Chill and will never kill. It just changes the dynamic and makes them more heroic, IMO.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Those are just a few characters though (and you forgot Wolverine). Marvel's cast tends to kill more than DC's but still the number of major characters on both sides that actually kill are pretty slim.

[Drazar]

Originally Posted by batmanboy11

There are some that kill (Punisher, Iron Man, Daredevil, etc.) and it just changes things. Take Daredevil, for instance. The first time he puts on the costume

he goes after his father's killers and kills them and Daredevil also kills if he deems it neccesary

while Batman never kills Joe Chill and will never kill. It just changes the dynamic and makes them more heroic, IMO.

I like how Miller's Batman was hugely againts killing, but literally okay with hurting the criminals so badly, it would leave permament damage to their bodies, but until he turns 58 he sees how dark the world has come, and becomes okay with seeing that sometimes, killing is a necessary evil.

[A Dark Knight]

Keep it on topic, please. I only mentioned the reprints because like All Star Batman, the character was very different than the so-called mainstream. Thanks

[batmanboy11]

Originally Posted by Drazar

I like how Miller's Batman was hugely againts killing, but literally okay with hurting the criminals so badly, it would leave permament damage to their bodies, but until he turns 58 he sees how dark the world has come, and becomes okay with seeing that sometimes, killing is a necessary evil.

But he never does kill anyone in TDKR, he only

brakes the Joker's spine, and then the Joker kills himself

. So.... does he kill anyone in TDKSA?