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06-13-2010, 11:18 PM
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As for raping children, that wasn't an option in DX 1 that is being... you know... changed  , so no one cares.
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06-13-2010, 11:23 PM
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Sorry if I'm being a prude... Whenever children are involved I tend to get a little... what's the word?
So, what you're saying is, if players could rape children in the previous Deus Ex installments, and that feature was taken out of Human Revolution, that would be perceived negatively?
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06-13-2010, 11:25 PM
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Uuuh, raping children, much less anybody, in a game is very WTF.
Just, WTF. WTF. Back to shooting: one of the great things about Deus Ex is that it didn't tell you what you could and couldn't do. If you wanted to kill little children, dammit, you could.
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06-13-2010, 11:27 PM
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Listen.
It's not about enjoying killing kids. Nobody here has said "oh I love playing games where I can kill kids that's how I get my kicks" - to even have that thought cross your mind tells everyone you're missing the point. In DX, kids populate the game and help make the world more realistic. I doubt the developers sat there in big meetings discussing if they should add the "feature" of killing kids just because some people think that's fun. No. It's only about freedom, and choice. It's about the world being as totally reactive to you as possible. They want kids in the game, they know their target audience is adults - they respect their audience enough to give them the CHOICE to, yeah, kill kids. Taking it out (I'm not saying it's a deal breaker, it's just another thing to add to the pile) incurs mainly 2 thingsl - loss of freedom - arbitrary "invincible mode" kids if they do want kids populating the game - which ruins immersion, ruins freedom, ruins consequence - it's just another thing that will be lost. Ok? To reiterate for everyone; Nobody is negative towards this because they have fun killing kids. It's about losing choice, freedom and interactivity due to reasons that do not apply to DX fans or intelligent adults. I'm not really fussed either way - I just don't want to see god mode kids walking around. In this modern era of criticizing anything that is targeted at children and teenagers Eidos would have to have some pretty big balls to go ahead and let us kill kids in this game. And let's just be honest here, they don't have the balls.
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06-13-2010, 11:28 PM
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What about babies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkX-Vnc6uL0
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06-13-2010, 11:30 PM
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J.C., NOOOOOOOO
In regards to all the above posts.
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06-13-2010, 11:34 PM
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I think it's hypocritical for developers to glorify the virtual killing of adults in video games, but deplore the virtual killing of children. It suggestive of the belief that killing adults is totally fine.
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06-13-2010, 11:38 PM
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But killing children is bad... Good to know.
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06-13-2010, 11:40 PM
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I don't like killing fictional adults either.
Somewhat off the subject, but: has anyone noticed how people freak out if there's anything sexual in a piece of entertainment, but they're perfectly fine with gratuitous violence? Even though, as I've pointed out, molestation is a lesser crime than genocide... If it were technically possible to implement rape in Deus Ex... would any of the people here go for it? It's a lesser crime than murder, and the more liberty you get in your actions is better, right?
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06-13-2010, 11:50 PM
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 The thought of that is just horrible. Do not ever want. Quote:
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06-13-2010, 11:54 PM
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serious cat needs to chill with happy snake. he is way to srs latley
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06-14-2010, 12:01 AM
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"Sorry for being such a prude"
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06-14-2010, 12:05 AM
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even females agree it isn't rape if you say surprise !
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06-14-2010, 12:09 AM
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As beat mentioned, I do not condone or enjoy killing children, either real or fictional; But for the setting, I agree with either removing them from the game entirely or making them particularly vulnerable to weaponry, like everyone else. It leads to a sort of quandary where children are somewhat necessary to promote realism and a living environment within the game but also symbolistic icons representing societal hopes and fears on the subject.
Having them walking around, in the game, and interactive for the player but completely invincible not only represents a drastic loss of player freedom and, as was mentioned, the more important consequences, but a kowtowing belief that real life and videogames are somehow intertwined. Assuming that the murder of a child or, for that matter, anything in any fictional media is equivalent to that of a real murder, or even as a 'first step', is wrong and unjust to me as a player. No one complains about reckless driving, destruction of property, drug use, or even cartoon violence, which has been 'convincing' kids to smash people's faces in with mallets, dress up like women, and try to survive being crushed by giant metal weights. Fallout 2 represented children in a killable way, with the required consequences. Anytime you kill any kids in the game, you become labelled as such, and almost no one in the game will deal with you, making it the wasteland's ultimate crime. On the matter of rape in a game, I believe it has no place. Storywise, as a cutscene, I see no reason why an M-rated game couldn't feature as graphic a scene as an R-rated movie; Taking this to an interactive level would, for me, be out of sorts. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done; I believe in free speech. I just wouldn't play it, or skip that part if possible. The reasoning I can say this and not be a hypocrite is because killing isn't always murder, or policemen wouldn't be able to legally own guns, and soldiers wouldn't fight in every corner of the world today. Deus Ex, among hundreds of games with shooting in them imply violent conflict against enemy forces, those most often being the 'bad guy'. Taking one life to save two or more has always been the standard in movies, books, and often enough, in real life. As such, shooting these bad guys is often justifiable, and not murder. Shooting is often about righting wrongs, and even when it isn't, it hits you with the impact of it as such. In real life, however, rape has no upside. It is there for no purpose other than brutal, criminal offense. It hs a clear, unblamable victim, and there is no successful way to possibly portray it as a good action, or even legitimate. Quote:
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06-14-2010, 12:10 AM
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But yes, it's not rape if you call it "surprise sex."
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06-14-2010, 12:10 AM
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@Ceri:
Don't get me wrong. I am with you all the way. I remember fighting in the original Deus Ex, first game like it I had played, and in the cross fire accidentally killed a child. I really just sat there for a long time, just shocked...it was AWFUL for me, and I went through a tiny personal dilemma. I am totally for NOT having children killable, and would not kill them. However, my comments were more going to the ridiculous-ness of some people who like to complain about things on "principle," when really they just want a pet cause to scream about, when so many other important things are going on. And I think it is important to think about who it is you are fighting...killing is not the same as murder, and fighting in defense of people or a just cause is justifiable and should be important in games. You brought up rape. Rape is a visual sin, and causes sin in thought (and action, if in life). I believe killing and murder in a game is just as bad if it causes hate in the heart. It is important to realize that it is not real, but if it causes crime in thought (as rape would certainly do, but killing may not) then it should not be included or experienced by the person. For me, this is the same for a sex scene, pornography, swearing, etc. Some things cause thought to be corrupted for some people, and these should be avoided by those people (e.g., killing). Some things cause thought corruption in ALL people, and should therefore be excluded entirely (e.g., rape). Again, my posts were really about people who go crazy in protest of the tiniest, most ridiculous things simply to have something to whine about, and how they might affect DX3. I hope my responses are satisfactory for you...your thoughts on my thoughts?
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06-14-2010, 12:19 AM
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Wait, a forum discussion of controversial issues that DIDN'T turn into a flame war? This is going to make the headlines!
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06-14-2010, 12:21 AM
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06-14-2010, 12:27 AM
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Contrary to popular belief you don't always have to have something to say.
A simple "good points, I agree and will consider them" would do wonders for this forum. So many pointless arguments from people that don't even consider what they're talking about in the first place.
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