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Old 05-30-2010, 06:00 AM
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Something to discuss until we get more info.

I liked it when at DX it let you have one of these stances. For example if you are a collectivist you could choose the Helios ending and in the other hand you could choose another ending. Also throughout the game it let you take important moral decisions. And that is something I really want to see in DX3.
I am also eager to hear your opinions on this particular subject. I like it as a subject and I think of it sometimes.

What do you think?
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Something to discuss until we get more info.

I liked it when at DX it let you have one of these stances. For example if you are a collectivist you could choose the Helios ending and in the other hand you could choose another ending. Also throughout the game it let you take important moral decisions. And that is something I really want to see in DX3.
I am also eager to hear your opinions on this particular subject. I like it as a subject and I think of it sometimes.

What do you think?

Philosophically, I think the perfect system is a marriage between collectivism and individualism. Call it compassionate capitalism, if you will. Pure capitalism engenders dangerous and even sociopathic levels of greed, though it also encourages competition and individual achievement. Pure collectivism encourages a grander awareness of society and human interdependence, but the failings of communism and socialism speak for themselves.

I reject that a single "pure" system is the answer for global society.


With regards to DX, though, I considered the Helios ending at best to be a case of parasitism. Having a mechanical and fundamentally alien intelligence grafted onto my neural substrate... no thank you! At worst, it's the worst of AI despotism -- on the order of Harlan Ellison's nightmarish short story or Skynet's aspirations. I found the Helios ending in IW to be horrific... the global population lanced by a machine intelligence, and ending with the ominous words (a la Colossus the Forbin Project) of "Helios has spoken."

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