Most evil and sick Joker yet?: Possible Spoilers

[thejokethatkills]

What does everyone think of this Joker? I don't think I've ever seen the Joker this demented before in a video game or movie. The Dark Knight's Joker was also borderline pure evil, but at least his goal was slightly understandable: we all have feelings sometimes that there are no truly pure people.

This Joker however wants nothing but random slaughter and murder, not even to prove a point but just to have fun. All the people he murders, the way he kills them, what he says, and what his thugs say about him is truly sick. One thug mentions Joker ordered him to murder his sister, while Joker tells another thug that he once made a guys wife a paraplegic. Not to mention sending Dr. Young a picture of a dead baby (god only knows if he simply found it on the internet or did it himself), stating he enjoys slapping around Harley, and being responsible for the deaths of almost 200 people in the course of a single night.

I love what they did with this Joker, they held nothing back and it looks like he's only gonna get more and more twisted in the next game. Mark Hamill is the Joker to me. I grew up with him voicing this villain, but now I know not only can he do a comical and evil Joker, but also a relentless and terrifying personification of pure evil itself with no morals, values, or love for anybody or anything.

[Doat1]

Well for games i think this Joker is perfect and for movies you just cannot beat The Dark Knight Joker style. I do wish they would have more sadistic traps for batman and such i don't think there were enough joker involved traps.

[Matches Malone]

The Joker in the game is still fairly tame compared to some incarnations from various graphic novels. But as far as games go yes I would agree.

[thejokethatkills]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

The Joker in the game is still fairly tame compared to some incarnations from various graphic novels. But as far as games go yes I would agree.

I agree, although I will say that some of the comics and novels go a little overboard. Some just show him an being a villain who slaughters children and tortures others for no specific plan in mind. I think it's important for the character to be evil, but also have a strategic and intelligent plan in mind. Some comics sacrifice his intelligence in favor of simply portraying him as a mass killing machine. So there's really so much that the Joker can do without it looking too unorganized and so forth. He does unspeakable things, but the core of his character is doing them in a ingenious way with a specific plan in mind.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

TDK joker was way worse! And in the comics He's definately worse...ever read The Killing Joke?

[Doat1]

I actually was going to buy that comic but i bought Tower of Babel instead

[The Hylden]

Joker had a plan for why he was doing this in AA. It was to show Batman the world as he sees it, to make Batman admit that they are basically the same, by pushing him over the edge. He's tried that in various comics, by doing various crimes just as bad, or worse.

Besides the stuff in The Killing Joke, try reading The Man Who Laughs, a re-imagining of Joker's first appearance in Batman, issue #1. It opens in an abandoned warehouse with Gordon looking over dozens of badly decomposed corpses of men and women, all killed by various versions of the Joker's venom. It's pretty ghastly, but just like in AA, Joker was experimenting on them, like he did with the thugs trying to prefect the Titan venom.

In short: AA's Joker is just the usual Joker, heh.

[thejokethatkills]

Originally Posted by The Hylden

Joker had a plan for why he was doing this in AA. It was to show Batman the world as he sees it, to make Batman admit that they are basically the same, by pushing him over the edge. He's tried that in various comics, by doing various crimes just as bad, or worse.

Besides the stuff in The Killing Joke, try reading The Man Who Laughs, a re-imagining of Joker's first appearance in Batman, issue #1. It opens in an abandoned warehouse with Gordon looking over dozens of badly decomposed corpses of men and women, all killed by various versions of the Joker's venom. It's pretty ghastly, but just like in AA, Joker was experimenting on them, like he did with the thugs trying to prefect the Titan venom.

In short: AA's Joker is just the usual Joker, heh.

Very good points all around. I've read most of the comics where Joker is featured in including the Killing Joke. I still think that Arkham Asylum beats them because of his overall goal and the total lack of any human side. The Killing Joke at least showed he had a human side in his origin, another reason why that particular comic has become so iconic. Even the Dark Knight's Joker had little hints of a tragic origin, where as this version had absolutely no sympathy for anybody or anything. For me it's not always what the Joker does, but also what he says that really defines him. His lines in this game are pretty sick, especially the one mentioning how he was getting "excited" just thinking of all the violence and wished Harley was with him.

[Matches Malone]

How did The Dark Knight Joker have a tragic origin? He was just lying both times making him even less tragic and just plain evil & angry.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

How did The Dark Knight Joker have a tragic origin? He was just lying both times making him even less tragic and just plain evil & angry.

Not to mention he's a man of his word...wait what?

[thejokethatkills]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

How did The Dark Knight Joker have a tragic origin? He was just lying both times making him even less tragic and just plain evil & angry.

We have no clue how much of a lie each story was though is my main point. I never said he had a tragic origin for sure, but that he merely gave hints of one. He mentions having an abusive father, hating his father, and having a wife amongst his stories. Those are the parts of those stories that could be true, while the rest of the stories are most likley false. When I first saw the Dark Knight movie and he told those stories, I immediately got the image of him and his mother being beaten to a pulp and the image of a wife. The actual part of how he got his scars do not seem true, but I could defiantly believe that he had an abusive father and a wife. After all, this version of him was not the effects of a chemical bleach, so there must have been something else that made him so evil. That's really a key component to his whole character, you simply don't know what made him go over the edge or how much truth there are in his stories.

I never said that the stories were true, but they were still hints into a more tragic aspect to his character. His hatred for his father seemed pretty genuine so I could believe him being abused. Does that excuse him for all the horrible crimes he commits? Of course not, but it still shows a more human side than what was portrayed in the game. I'm simply speaking from my own perspective, but I think the Joker in the Dark Knight had a pretty terrible life prior to his reign of terror and I came up with that conclusion based off his stories. So, at least to me, those stories were hints into a deeper characterization of the Joker. It doesn't excuse him, but still shows a little more humanity as opposed to him just killing people with absolutely no hints at what caused his transformation into a cold blooded mass murdering villain.

[FearGasVictim09]

i think the most disturbed joker-portrayal was in brian azzarello's "joker". he cuts off the skin of a person or completely slaughters two old people in their bed and stuff like that.
but i have to agree that i think the joker needs to have some kind of comical character to it, which was lacking a bit in this comic.
it's cool if he shows how sick he can be, but it's even more jokerlike if he does it with some kind of "joke"

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by FearGasVictim09

i think the most disturbed joker-portrayal was in brian azzarello's "joker". he cuts off the skin of a person or completely slaughters two old people in their bed and stuff like that.
but i have to agree that i think the joker needs to have some kind of comical character to it, which was lacking a bit in this comic.
it's cool if he shows how sick he can be, but it's even more jokerlike if he does it with some kind of "joke"

He ripped off a guys skin and then threw him out on a stripper stage, then slapped a dollar bill on his ass. Get it? Not all jokes are funny, but that one is

[FearGasVictim09]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

He ripped off a guys skin and then threw him out on a stripper stage, then slapped a dollar bill on his ass. Get it? Not all jokes are funny, but that one is

ok i forgot about the stripper stage and dollar bill part. i stilllll...think that the joker should be a bit more...let's say clownish
but actually i also liked the azzarello one and the one in dark knight, so...different interpretations are always nice

[Matches Malone]

yeah those 2 are probably my favorite interpretations of the character, my other favorites are Lover's & Madmen and The Man who Laughs.

[Doat1]

The joker in the game still seems a bit too kiddy for me

[The Jedi Guardian]

Originally Posted by FearGasVictim09

ok i forgot about the stripper stage and dollar bill part. i stilllll...think that the joker should be a bit more...let's say clownish
but actually i also liked the azzarello one and the one in dark knight, so...different interpretations are always nice

What about the part when Joker is fishing and he hasn't gotten anything yet, and the guy, Abner is threatened by killer croc, joker explains to him that he has only a bag of money, and that he has nothing left and etc. He ends up throwing up right there into the water and the joker's joke is Abner... You're scaring the fish.

[The Comedian]

If you really want a demented Joker read this. The Killing Joke was good this was great.

[thejokethatkills]

Yeah, that was one Hell of a novel. The part where he makes the bank teller get off to a picture of his own daughter was just plain wrong. He even sinks as low as raping someone, truly pure evil.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Originally Posted by thejokethatkills

Yeah, that was one Hell of a novel. The part where he makes the bank teller get off to a picture of his own daughter was just plain wrong. He even sinks as low as raping someone, truly pure evil.

The sad part is stuff like that happens in real life

[thejokethatkills]

Originally Posted by Doat1

The joker in the game still seems a bit too kiddy for me

That is who the Joker was originally intended to be. He does terrible things, kills people, but most of the creators agree that their has to be slightly comical edge to him. Anything that he says that makes people laugh in an evil way is basically what his character is all about. I think they nailed it perfectly in this game, he has some great lines: "Residents of Joker Asylum are expected to follow one simple rule, punishment for not following this rule is death. Want to hear the rule? It's a seeecret." I was laughing so hard when I heard that line.

[Doat1]

Originally Posted by thejokethatkills

That is who the Joker was originally intended to be. He does terrible things, kills people, but most of the creators agree that their has to be slightly comical edge to him. Anything that he says that makes people laugh in an evil way is basically what his character is all about. I think they nailed it perfectly in this game, he has some great lines: "Residents of Joker Asylum are expected to follow one simple rule, punishment for not following this rule is death. Want to hear the rule? It's a seeecret." I was laughing so hard when I heard that line.

Yea things like that i loved in the game but i want him to push batman more, i think he gave batman a chance to kill him too soon i think they should have had that scene later on in the game. I love how toward the end of the game joker says, "So you wanna play hard ball huh?" Then pulls out a feather and tickles batman.

[thejokethatkills]

Originally Posted by Batman The Sequel Hunter

The sad part is stuff like that happens in real life

Yeah, I think that's why the Joker is often regarded as one the most evil villains, because his crimes often strike very, very close to reality. When he kills people with joy buzzers and venom for his flower, we just chalk it up to too outrageous to be realistic. When he kills people like skinning them or raping somebody, it leaves an even worse feeling in our stomachs because it's sadly very realistic. The portrayal of the Joker has been becoming more realistic nowadays, this game is basically the combination of a more realistic Joker and his more outrageous portrayal from back in the day.

[mwkcope]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

He ripped off a guys skin and then threw him out on a stripper stage, then slapped a dollar bill on his ass. Get it? Not all jokes are funny, but that one is

I don't get it.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Originally Posted by mwkcope

I don't get it.

Stripper =Girl/Guy who takes off clothes for money
Stripper Joker verson = Person Stripped of Skin