Problems in the game... [update: patch released - read first post!]

[ChiroVette]

Originally Posted by Driber

You could ask people to do that if you want to, but IMO if you'd start completely fresh, you'd probably just get the suggestions of a handful of people that remain here now and you'd cut out a huge chunk of the statistics from all the people that have posted in this thread but are no longer on the forum and won't be re-posting it even though their input might still be valid if they'd be playing the game today.

To really get an accurate overview of what the most desired things are, you'd have to start the list from when the full game was released: from post # 267 on page 11 and onward.

Yeah, I have t agree with you. unfortunately a lot of people have abandoned the game and the forum.

Okay, one problem I have is that I am a Chiropractor and a writer in the process of trying to get several of my novels published. Plus gaming here and there and moderating a whole bunch of forums on one of the busiest tech/gaming sites around leaves me with very little spare time. It is taking an insane amount of time to compile this info in MSWord and I am only up to like page 15!

So the only way I can do this is to get 5 volunteers to help me with this thread. One person can sift through pages 21 through 30, another through pages 31 through 40, and so on up until page 70. I will handle everything from the beginning of the thread through page 20 and everything from page 71 through the last page of the thread. What each of the volunteers will do is compile EVERY complaint on their assigned pages and PM them to me. This will also make the list go a helluva lot quicker, to be honest.

I will sort through all the final material and create an encyclopedic volume for Driber.

Now remember that if you volunteer to help, we are NOT to inject our own opinions into this, In other words, I read some things that I didn't agree were real problems, for example, but I am, going to report them anyway. This is a list of reported problems and issues. We are not to edit it based on disagreeing with the issues presented.

[rinmach]

Originally Posted by ChiroVette

So the only way I can do this is to get 5 volunteers to help me with this thread. One person can sift through pages 21 through 30, another through pages 31 through 40, and so on up until page 70. I will handle everything from the beginning of the thread through page 20 and everything from page 71 through the last page of the thread. What each of the volunteers will do is compile EVERY complaint on their assigned pages and PM them to me. This will also make the list go a helluva lot quicker, to be honest.

I'll do pages 21-30.

[willyfoofoo]

Originally Posted by RunningBare

I assume you mean for the console because the pc already has it, but the bolopatch is nothing to do with the devs, nor can they release it for consoles, that's upto microsoft and sony, the bolopatch is a mod that microsoft and sony would never allow on their consoles for security reasons.

Bummer....

[Eljacko]

Originally Posted by ChiroVette

Yeah, I have t agree with you. unfortunately a lot of people have abandoned the game and the forum.

Okay, one problem I have is that I am a Chiropractor and a writer in the process of trying to get several of my novels published. Plus gaming here and there and moderating a whole bunch of forums on one of the busiest tech/gaming sites around leaves me with very little spare time. It is taking an insane amount of time to compile this info in MSWord and I am only up to like page 15!

So the only way I can do this is to get 5 volunteers to help me with this thread. One person can sift through pages 21 through 30, another through pages 31 through 40, and so on up until page 70. I will handle everything from the beginning of the thread through page 20 and everything from page 71 through the last page of the thread. What each of the volunteers will do is compile EVERY complaint on their assigned pages and PM them to me. This will also make the list go a helluva lot quicker, to be honest.

I will sort through all the final material and create an encyclopedic volume for Driber.

Now remember that if you volunteer to help, we are NOT to inject our own opinions into this, In other words, I read some things that I didn't agree were real problems, for example, but I am, going to report them anyway. This is a list of reported problems and issues. We are not to edit it based on disagreeing with the issues presented.

ill do 31 to 40

[RunningBare]

How big is this patch?, Steam appears to be re-downloading the entire game!, no I have not uninstalled the game at anytime.

[RunningBare]

A heads up to anyone using bolopatch, it will not work with the title update, fingers crossed bolo will update the patch.

[JoeyTR]

Originally Posted by RunningBare

A heads up to anyone using bolopatch, it will not work with the title update, fingers crossed bolo will update the patch.

this seems strange as up until now the developers have strongly supported the modding community...
maybe they did it by accident

[RunningBare]

Originally Posted by JoeyTR

this seems strange as up until now the developers have strongly supported the modding community...
maybe they did it by accident

Has nothing to do with supporting or not, the game has been updated with fixes, this cause changes in memory locations, remember bolopatch works by directly accessing the memory, so if any official updates happen then the memory address is likely to be different.

[JoeyTR]

Originally Posted by RunningBare

Has nothing to do with supporting or not, the game has been updated with fixes, this cause changes in memory locations, remember bolopatch works by directly accessing the memory, so if any official updates happen then the memory address is likely to be different.

So they did it by accident

[Jorddp]

So is the patch out on steam and if so where because I am in the UK and i cant seem to update it

[CausingChaos]

Originally Posted by Jorddp

So is the patch out on steam and if so where because I am in the UK and i cant seem to update it

I got the patch today. Steam updated it automatically as usual.

[Burner5210]

IDK if anyone else has posted this, I did a search and couldn't find anything on it. But I am playing on the Xbox 360 and have noticed the civilians disappearing every time I play. Sometimes they come back, but more recently they haven't. If I shut off the console and turn it back on, they are back, but eventually disappear again. I thought that the patch was supposed to fix this. I never had this problem before the patch, and now I have it every time I play! Anyone else having this problem?

(Also these weird things keep happening like the enemies bodies go flying when I shoot them (Not with the APG), or when they have died they are repelled away from me like magnets pushing away from each other, its sooo weird!)

[spaceboy]

I played last night with the patch for the first time and yes I too got the disappearing civi issue which I had never gotten before. They came back after I completed a communication outpost.

I also had a radar arrow on for a vehicle part from like a mile away and it stayed on - even the little black and white icon that appears when you are really close was there. I finally worked my way over there and picked it up and it went away.

Strange. I sure hope the patch didn't make things worse and these are coincidences. I never had an issue with the game before.

[RunningBare]

after the patch update I knew the city would be a good place to test, I stood on a roof corner looking down at a road junction, guess what?, yeah you guessed it, I was watching civs and vehicals vanish!

[ChiroVette]

Okay, we've got:

Originally Posted by rinmach

I'll do pages 21-30.

Originally Posted by Eljacko

ill do 31 to 40

Now all we need are three more volunteers for 41-50, 51-60, and 61-70.

[Blade 2750]

i just got done with a mission it went in to the mission summery and i was falling and i couldent deploy my chute and i still cant hopefully this can be fixed

[ChiroVette]

Originally Posted by Blade 2750

i just got done with a mission it went in to the mission summery and i was falling and i couldent deploy my chute and i still cant hopefully this can be fixed

Blade, I am pretty sure there's a fix for this issue, but I don't know what it is since I never had the problem. Sit tight and several people here will definitely help you out!

[JAGeng]

I have been hearing a lot of players stating how the patch made the game worst instead of fixing the issues...I havent downloaded the patch yet because my 360 died before the patch released....Ill be getting it back up and running this weekend and im now hesitant to even downloading the patch..

is it worth the download? should i simply avoid the patch or should I download it when my console gets back? suggestions welcome. what should I do?

[Blade 2750]

Originally Posted by ChiroVette

Blade, I am pretty sure there's a fix for this issue, but I don't know what it is since I never had the problem. Sit tight and several people here will definitely help you out!

yea i looked in places all over others have had problems i did the things they said can fix it but nuthing i dont wanna restart seance im pretty far and have like 30 hours invested its painful with out a chute

[n0name]

one thing that i noticed right at the beginning is the mouse movement. imo theres way too much lag between moving a mouse and the action in game. and it's somehow too smooth. you know like falling feather - while moving down it goes smoothly from one side to another. the aim should be sharp, instantanious. and it really bugged me at the first. it help to put the graphix on lowest possible. i kow that my rig isn't the best but it runs gta iv fine on medium settings. and there isn't that smooth aim at all.

[Talidan]

So, the other day I decided to start playing JC2 again.

I was starting to have some fun with it and was even considering purchasing some DLC.

Then I started to get hit with little glitches that had never happened to me before the new patch. Things would spaz as I grappled them (including Rico), sometimes killing me in the process, other little bugs that aren't exactly game breaking, but annoying as heck, I even experienced the civilians disappearing. The only major bug that I experienced while playing it before the patch was not being able to get 100% on some areas, and not being able to get 100% completion for the whole game. That wasn't much of a concern to me since I never play to beat every inch of a game, I just like having my own fun, but now things are worse than before and I'm having a difficult time having fun for long periods of time like I used to

Now I don't think I'll be wasting my money on the DLC and am more frustrated now than I was before about them taking so long to release the patch.

If Avalanche's next game is built on Avalanche Engine 2.0, I'll probably buy it because I love the engine, but I have very little respect for the company now...

[ChiroVette]

Question: Is this a forced update? I ask because I have not signed into PSN with the PS3 tha has JC2 on it, and I am wondering if I sign in while NOT playing JC2, will I still be automatically updated in JC2, OR do I actually have to boot up the game while my PS3 is signed into PSN?

[Blade 2750]

yea ok i talked to alot of people about the dissaperance of the chutes its the brodcast tower mission its just glitched u will lose ur parachute when u jump off the building at the end mine fixed on another mission later on the one were u go to the island and have to distroy the emp tower i jumped off that and it fixed so hopefully this patch can fix the dissaperance of the chute in the brodcast tower mission

[6047]

Originally Posted by ChiroVette

6047, Lord knows Driber and I don't always see eye-to-eye (and if that isn't the understatement of the year, I don't know what is!) but that is not what he said. He is saying that we should NOT get our hopes up because the devs may be done with this game, and that he does not want our furthering of a huge list of issues with the game to give anyone false hopes. IN other words, he is allowing our list JUST IN CASE the devs decide to take it to heart, but that should not be construed as a guarantee!

Big difference between that and what you just posted..

How gracious of him to allow you to do the jobs the devs should be doing.
Anyone else who sees "I myself think the current patch will be the only one and if I were in your shoes, I'd accept this and move on." coming from a mod on the official forum is going to come to the same conclusion. The game is dying and still broken,hey Im not saying its not fun,its a blast but the experience is incomplete and there is no excuse for it.

[ChiroVette]

6047, you're preaching to the choir here, and I asolutely agree with a lot of what you said, but there are several reasons why this might be a good idea and worth doing. The first is that if we, as a community have a comprehensive list of all the flaws and faults in the game, and it is all delineated in one long encyclopedic post, maybe, just maybe, the devs will use this information for a future JC game. The fact is that to me JC2 is a mystery wrapped in a riddle. it is an overall excelent game, and what we are all complaining about is that it could have been an absolute classic, and hell, had the patch been a great deal more comrehensive and a real fix for a lot of our issues, it would have actually evolved from being a great game to being the aforementioned classic to rival the likes of GTA III.

The second reason is that, while Driber is probably right that the devs are done with this game, they are human beings. They can decide to change their mind if they like, perhaps having, as their impetus, a tangible list of what the community at large thinks is wrong with the game.

Yes, you are right. The chance of at least the latter possibility certainly seems steeped in whimsical and irrational hopes on our part, but really the game is that goosd and with that much potential that I am willing to put forth what will most likely be a waste of time on the slim chance that the devs might just change their minds and revisit this game to make their huge customer base happy.