Legacy of kain defiance 2?

[imation]

When will they make the sequel to this game?

[Balance Reaver]

I'll quote Raziel'sRevenge on this:

There is no news about Legacy of Kain at this moment. Eidos has neither confirmed or denied the creation of another game, so there is still hope. Look at how long it took another Doom to be made. That being said, there are things we can do to help as fans. Money talks, if you own a PS3 or PSP buy all the games for it. Support the fan-created games because it shows interest in the series, write fan-fictions for the same reason, buy official Legacy of Kain merchandise, post on the Legacy of Kain boards, write the company letters (they pay more attention to an actual paper letter and my signature gives a link with the address), and do anything you can think of to bring attention to the series! Remember, don't give up hope! I'm always glad when I see that there are people out there who are still actively thinking of ideas to help so by all means if I haven't stated something here that you think could help then post it!

[Paradoks]

This should be a sticky.
And don't forget to vote here: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=74288
Not that it will change anything, but still...

[OugaBooga1]

NOT happening & if it does it won't be named defiance

[Linikratyo]

Originally Posted by OugaBooga1

NOT happening & if it does it won't be named defiance

That probably has been proven by The Dark Prophecy

[Raziel'sRevenge]

Originally Posted by Balance Reaver

I'll quote Raziel'sRevenge on this:

Lol thanks mate. I'm getting a tad tired of copying and pasting that little segment

Originally Posted by Paradoks

This should be a sticky.

A sticky would be very nice, but I think that comes too close to actual news on the series and everyone is much too afraid of getting us all riled up

[Corpse Core]

I hate to be a kill joy, but we're not getting a new Legacy of Kain. The reason? It's been so long since any Legacy of Kain title has been on the shelves that it wouldn't appeal to anyone new to this series for the very fact they weren't around for the beginning of the story. Actually, the only reason Legacy of Kain is even still around is because of its fan base. Think about it, the last thing we heard was that Dark Prophecy had been cancelled, and that was roughly 6 years ago.

However, there is light at the end of the tunnel, just depends how far your willing to go. Me and a few others are doing work on a Legacy of Kain mmorpg for are contribution to the series and yes we're looking for help. The point is this people, if we actually want another Legacy of Kain game we're going to have to work for it. When a game company says "we can neither confirm or deny," it means they aren't planning on anything and it's been left in a closet somewhere . So if you want something to happen then support a fan project, even join in on the effort. Just don't sit there hoping Eidos will get back around to Legacy of Kain, their devotion is to whatever brings in the most money and our beloved series didn't make the cut.

[Paradoks]

Originally Posted by Corpse Core

I hate to be a kill joy, but we're not getting a new Legacy of Kain. The reason? It's been so long since any Legacy of Kain title has been on the shelves that it wouldn't appeal to anyone new to this series for the very fact they weren't around for the beginning of the story. Actually, the only reason Legacy of Kain is even still around is because of its fan base. Think about it, the last thing we heard was that Dark Prophecy had been cancelled, and that was roughly 6 years ago.

However, there is light at the end of the tunnel, just depends how far your willing to go. Me and a few others are doing work on a Legacy of Kain mmorpg for are contribution to the series and yes we're looking for help. The point is this people, if we actually want another Legacy of Kain game we're going to have to work for it. When a game company says "we can neither confirm or deny," it means they aren't planning on anything and it's been left in a closet somewhere . So if you want something to happen then support a fan project, even join in on the effort. Just don't sit there hoping Eidos will get back around to Legacy of Kain, their devotion is to whatever brings in the most money and our beloved series didn't make the cut.

Originally Posted by Corpse Core

I know, tactless, but I gave the same answer to 4 different threads. Find the last one and you collect the whole set :P

Yeah, its not very funny, but I'll laugh anyway.

As someone said - stating your opinion numerous times does not make your argument stronger. You could simply reference your post instead of posting the same thing four times - please try to avoid it in the future. Since I answered this three times already I see no reason to reiterate my post - everyone can find it easily.

[Corpse Core]

I wasnt trying to make my arguement stronger, I simply had the same opinion here just as I did on the other threads. Now, I would be more than happy to avoid this if I knew how to reference them just as you have.

[Paradoks]

Originally Posted by Corpse Core

I wasnt trying to make my arguement stronger, I simply had the same opinion here just as I did on the other threads. Now, I would be more than happy to avoid this if I knew how to reference them just as you have.

Clicking the number in the top right corner of the post (#10 in this case) displays that post. Just copy the address and paste as link.
Or I think that better solution would actually be posting the thread with your post. Posting the same thing in several places makes the conversation more difficult - some people will respond in one thread, others will respond in other. As a result the same thing is being discussed in different threads.
And I'm sorry for my tone in previous post. I just think that we should try to keep this place organised.

[The Hylden]

I look toward Fallout and other so-called dead series that have not only gotten a sequel, they've done extremely well. None of the LoK games, I think, ever lost money, and Defiance did well, just not as well as expected (because Eidos at the time was looking for a lot more to keep themselves afloat). Saying there was no money there is a misnomer.

[Raziel'sRevenge]

Originally Posted by the hylden

i look toward fallout and other so-called dead series that have not only gotten a sequel, they've done extremely well. None of the lok games, i think, ever lost money, and defiance did well, just not as well as expected (because eidos at the time was looking for a lot more to keep themselves afloat). Saying there was no money there is a misnomer.

thank you!

[KainFanatic192]

How come Legacy Of Kain: Dark Prophecy (if that was the name) got canceled?

[Paradoks]

Originally Posted by KainFanatic192

How come Legacy Of Kain: Dark Prophecy (if that was the name) got canceled?

Originally Posted by Corpse Core

Explains why Dark Prophecy was cancelled and why they sold out to Square....

I was saying something about the same thing being discussed in different threads and apparently I was right .
Since it is the only thread out of four where I didn't refer to my answer I think I should post it anyway, despite of what I was saying earlier, because many people come to this particular thread.

About Dark Prophecy being cancelled. The game wasn't announced in the first place, but we can make a good guess about why it was cancelled. Tomb Raider. Eidos was fighting for survival at that time, and TR was their biggest franchise - it made some sense to focus on it. I see it as "playing safe". All this probably wouldn't take place if it wasn't for this.
The common argument is that Defiance didn't sell well enough. It may be partially true, but with the pitiful amount of marketing this game had Eidos has only themselves to blame. Why I think Defiance sales were bigger than some people claim? If Defiance was such a "failure", then why did Eidos entrust CD with their most valuable series?

Originally Posted by The Hylden

I look toward Fallout and other so-called dead series that have not only gotten a sequel, they've done extremely well.

Fallout may not be the best example here. First because it was undeniable classic, and the chances that no one would take advantage of it were very slim. And it was dead becuase Interplay was... maybe not dead, but in a zombie state. More important is the fact that while Fallout 3 was a huge critical and commercial success, there are really many fans of original games that literally hate this game and refuse to call it a part of the franchise. But as I said in other thread, there are much less popular franchises that were brought back.
Interesting thing is that Eidos still owns the rights to LoK, which suggest that even if they don't have any plans for it at the moment, they still consider it a valuable series. I doubt there was no party interested in acquiring these rights during the time when Eidos was struggling to survive.

[CyclopS]

Originally Posted by Paradoks

This should be a sticky.
And don't forget to vote here: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=74288
Not that it will change anything, but still...

Thank you for posting this. I logged back into my account after being idle from it for over 3 years so that I can vote for Legacy Of Kain

[Paradoks]

Originally Posted by CyclopS

Thank you for posting this. I logged back into my account after being idle from it for over 3 years so that I can vote for Legacy Of Kain

It's good to know that someone got caught in my web .
I am sure that there are many more people who would do that if they knew about the "new" poll.
The results may seem disappointing if you look at the previous poll. But with threads like this and this around the net, it's not that surprising.

[Raziel'sRevenge]

Originally Posted by Paradoks

It's good to know that someone got caught in my web .
I am sure that there are many more people who would do that if they knew about the "new" poll.
The results may seem disappointing if you look at the previous poll. But with threads like this and this around the net, it's not that surprising.

Lol you can hardly blame people for trying to get others to vote for their favorite series, that just means that we have to be twice as aggressive when it comes to promoting Legacy of Kain. And while we're on that topic *cough Look at the link in my signature to find ways to help out cough*.

Too subtle?

[Cata_Blake]

how could they expect Defiance to sell better??? I have a few friends, real gamers, who only knew the game when they saw it at my place!!!!! And played it, and loved it!!! but didn't buy it, it's kind of old now and more difficult to find T_T, bedides, let's face the truth, so far away from the release date, many of them downloaded it T_T

[The Hylden]

That was a MAJOR problem with the old Eidos: its advertising of games was very, very lacking. And this is not just in regard to LoK games, but all of their franchises. Kane & Lynch had a little better advertising, but the game was supposedly only ok (I haven't played it). The first time Eidos hit the advertising market right with a game to me has been the recent Batman: Arkham Asylum game. The placement of many trailers over the NET, in Theaters, on TV, and the push into Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, etc., shows Eidos, under Square's influence and backing, finally shows it can advertise for this generation, not the last gen... And what happened? EVERYONE knew about Batman: AA and bought it. It also helped that the game was a great game, too. LoK games are great. The next one, marketed properly, will be bought by the masses.

[Cata_Blake]

that was exactly my point!!! =)

but I do remember seen some advs for tomb raider, but I can't remember many advs for LOK, just one on a huge well known gamers store... and that would be it... T_T

[VoRaDoR]

Legacy of Kain Defiance, Sould Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, Soul Reaver, Blood Omen are all great games. How comes there is no new game that beats me.

[Raziel'sRevenge]

Originally Posted by VoRaDoR

Legacy of Kain Defiance, Sould Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, Soul Reaver, Blood Omen are all great games. How comes there is no new game that beats me.

I'll say it again: it doesn't matter how great a game is, what matters is the potential money to be made. Eidos obviously thinks that there's at least some potential for further cash from Legacy of Kain, otherwise they would have just officially declared it dead, but as of right now they just aren't seeing enough potential. If there's enough cash to be made, somebody will make it. Until then, we'll be left waiting. That's why it's the job of all of us to cause some noise! Stir people up! Introduce new people to the series! Do anything and everything you can to show Eidos that this game is worth continuing.

[VoRaDoR]

Originally Posted by Raziel'sRevenge

I'll say it again: it doesn't matter how great a game is, what matters is the potential money to be made. Eidos obviously thinks that there's at least some potential for further cash from Legacy of Kain, otherwise they would have just officially declared it dead, but as of right now they just aren't seeing enough potential. If there's enough cash to be made, somebody will make it. Until then, we'll be left waiting. That's why it's the job of all of us to cause some noise! Stir people up! Introduce new people to the series! Do anything and everything you can to show Eidos that this game is worth continuing.

You're telling me that as if I'm not aware of it friend. I've been writing for 7 years in these forums just like you to make Eidos hear our voice. I was 22 when I bought and clocked LOK Defiance on my PC. Now 7 years is a long time dont you think.

We've been told nothing certain about whether if there is going to be a new game or not. This my friend is the actual problem here, what are we to Eidos seems like nobody because we shouldn't be treated like this dont you agree.

If the game is cancelled for good they should let us know so we will not bother. Why keep us waiting like this. Dont you agree we deserve a definate answer.

[Raziel'sRevenge]

I know you've been lurking here for even longer than me, and I'd like to say here and now that it's people like you that give me the most hope in the series. It's one thing to find one of the games in the "used" section and become infatuated, it's quite another to stick with it through 7 years of deafening silence, and I like to think that sort of dedication sends a message to Eidos.

I also understand where you're coming from on the announcement matter, however I'm not in agreement on this one. I'd much rather be kept in the dark and still be able to hope that somebody is working behind the scenes on a new game than to have the door shut in our faces permanently. While an official announcement of a new game in the works would send me screaming in joy through the streets, the flip side of the coin is one that I don't even want to think about, so like Kain, I'm betting it all on the damnable edge: no announcements regarding the continuation of the series but also no announcements regarding its death. At least this way I can keep up the hope.

So, to shorten that answer: do I agree we deserve a definite answer? Yes. Do I want one? No, because quite honestly I'm afraid of what it might be.

[VoRaDoR]

We have to face our fears one way or another my friend. Me I have chosen to face it. There are so many great games out there Published by Eidos.

Deus Ex - Human Revolution for instance I played all of the Deus Ex series and still own them. The first two are excellent games.

Hitman Series - Excellent, I love playing this game very fun and enjoyable. Again Eidos.

Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, Defiance these are excellent games.

These are very good games and I follow the sequels.

I do not hate Eidos and I definately dont hate Crystal Dynamics. In fact most of my favorite games are done by Eidos Studios. It's just what they're doing to us is wrong we shouldn't be left in a deep pool with no ladder to climb.

I believe as their good loyal gamers to some of their games series, we deserve an answer, a YES or a NO.