I want Lara in shorts !

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by LARALOVERnr.1

You know what would be awesome? The following scene:

Before she can escape, Lara will have 1 final, heavy task to complete.
While she's preparing herself mentally, she cleans her wounds and washes away all dirt and blood.
Her pants are torn apart, so she cuts of a big part, making them into her classic shorts.
She doesn't want her hair to be in the way, so she braids it into her classic ponytail.
She rises, grabs the 2 guns she found in a ship, checks them for ammo, decides what other weapons/supplies she will take with her (there's no going back after this, it's either escape or die), then leaves the safe basecamp, the only place where she felt save on the island, and walks into the forest, all of this displayed in a sexy cutscene with dramatic 'survivalish' music playing ofcourse.

BAM, she turns into a younger, badass version of the modern Lara we all know and love

Imo, that happens way too fast. I would rather it all pan out nice and slowly. Besides, you don't just become a badass by ripping your trousers into shorts and turning your ponytail to a braid. Plus I don't think those trousers will rip and I don't want them to either.

[Thetford]

To me, what makes Lara is the dry British humour and sarcasm, the determination of taking what she wants for her own personal interest, as well as lack of regard for personal safety, law or sites and relics of spiritual or cultural importance, as well as a shade of moral ambiguity (Such as breaking into the Louvre and British museum, killing security guards in both as well as launching off a missile to an unspecified location - by this point I'm guessing as soon as they learn that she is in the country, all of the local embassy staff suddenly decide to go on mass sick leave).

But I'm not expecting any of that in this game, since I'm lead to believe this is how she becomes the Lara we all know and/or love. She hasn't been in this situation before: In the Hagia Sofia, she was under the protection of Von Croy, no matter what, he'll keep her safe, she knows she is safe (until he gets trapped in a giant sphere, that is), by this point, she can't be this little girl anymore.

The only part of her appearance I would say would be what makes her would be the hair, she has had a lot of outfits, but only one general do that combines femininity with practicality (whether it's the braid, ponytail and was that a bun in the first game?), it makes sense for her to have her hair tied back (I somewhat think that if she attempted the Rachel, her hair would get in the way if she attempted any sort of jumping).

Well that's what I think anyway.

[Driber]

Originally Posted by larafan25

People need to overcome this idea that Lara wearing shorts would make her too sexed-up.

That's not avoiding sexualizing Lara, it's just shorts, it's avoiding ammo for those who do see Lara as just a sexual object.

Originally Posted by Thetford

(Such as breaking into the Louvre and British museum, killing security guards in both as well as launching off a missile to an unspecified location - by this point I'm guessing as soon as they learn that she is in the country, all of the local embassy staff suddenly decide to go on mass sick leave).

That gave me a chuckle

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

Plus I don't think those trousers will rip and I don't want them to either.

I wouldn't try to push old Lara out of the window that quickly if I were you. Her shorts are more iconic than her not dropping the f-bomb () and I have a pretty good feeling they'll be back.

Hmmm, wait a minute....I say "back", but they've actually not even been "gone" yet, lol.

Anyway, just look again at those cuts, folks:



You just know it's realistically very much possible that they are getting ripped more and more throughout the game and/or will be ripped off intentionally.

In fact, I think I remember an ambassador asking something like this to the devs and they being quite elusive with the answer. Leading one to suspect that...... (fill in the blank )

Double in fact, I'm willing to put money on it at this point!

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by Driber

I wouldn't try to push old Lara out of the window that quickly if I were you. Her shorts are more iconic than her not dropping the f-bomb () and I have a pretty good feeling they'll be back.

Hmmm, wait a minute....I say "back", but they've actually not even been "gone" yet, lol.

Anyway, just look again at those cuts, folks:



You just know it's realistically very much possible that they are getting ripped more and more throughout the game and/or will be ripped off intentionally.

In fact, I think I remember an ambassador asking something like this to the devs and they being quite elusive with the answer. Leading one to suspect that...... (fill in the blank )

Double in fact, I'm willing to put money on it at this point!

Camilla confirmed that her shorts won't rip at around 25:00 in the video below. Can't say i'm not happy. It's not like she can't be Lara without her skimpy shorts. I honestly think she looks much sexier as this Lara than the old Lara because it's a down-to-earth sexy. And like I said before: sexy shouldn't = bare skin.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23990314

[d1n0_xD]

^ Agreed, I'm just fine with this outfit No need for references that'll look forced

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

Camilla confirmed that her shorts won't rip at around 25:00 in the video below. Can't say i'm not happy. It's not like she can't be Lara without her skimpy shorts. I honestly think she looks much sexier as this Lara than the old Lara because it's a down-to-earth sexy. And like I said before: sexy shouldn't = bare skin.

Bare skin is by no means a requirement for sexiness.

But it certainly can't hurt either

[Driber]

^ Ditto. Nothing wrong with showing some leg.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Lara needs to show some leg in the new game, nor do I have a problem with the pants she's wearing per se, and if they don't turn into shorts at the end of the game then no biggy, but to actually say that shorts are LESS sexy than those dull, grey cargo pants is crazy

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23990314

Doesn't work.

[LadyRufina]

Originally Posted by Driber

^ Ditto. Nothing wrong with showing some leg.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Lara needs to show some leg in the new game, nor do I have a problem with the pants she's wearing per se, and if they don't turn into shorts at the end of the game then no biggy, but to actually say that shorts are LESS sexy than those dull, grey cargo pants is crazy



Doesn't work.

I honestly think they are more sexy. The shorts just made her look skimpy. The cargo pants are kind of in fashion right now - not saying she's a sheep but a lot of people like them at the moment.

It was the Nerd HQ panel conference. Around half-way through Camilla said she was waiting for them to have wolves rip her trousers into shorts but it never happened.

[The Hylden]

That video worked last night. They've since closed it off, apparently. She's right. 25 minutes into it, Camilla says that she was surprised that the wolves, or nothing else, ripped Lara's trousers apart at any time to make shorts. She definitely was expecting that to happen by the end, but it never did.

Edit: Also, I remember when the joke afterward Zachary Levi said about him possibly being cast to play Lara in the 2013 movie was stated, Camilla said it would work only if they brought back the shorts for him.

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by Driber

^ Ditto. Nothing wrong with showing some leg.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Lara needs to show some leg in the new game, nor do I have a problem with the pants she's wearing per se, and if they don't turn into shorts at the end of the game then no biggy, but to actually say that shorts are LESS sexy than those dull, grey cargo pants is crazy

I see what you mean about the cargo pants. Not only are they drab, they don't really complement Lara's figure. And that's the thing, an outfit can be sexy without showing skin simply by accentuating the features.

Take the catsuit for example. No skin shown at all (except for the face) but the way it HUGS those contours. Even when the skin of the legs aren't shown, the shape of her legs are still accentauted... to say nothing of her hips, her ass, her chest... her... her... those round toned curves of her entire athletic body, all for eyes to drink up...

ahhhhh.... ehmmmm.... where was I going with this again??

[pomeranianpuppy]

Having the trousers turn into shorts and having her hair braided at the end would really feel like shes become Lara but maybe in the next game...

[Metalrocks]

lol, seeing lara in a cat suit in future games would be weird. unless she tries to seduce or persuade someone to give information to solve a puzzle or to get an important piece. now that would be really eye candy.

if CD can pull it off that lara will never show any legs in the entire game..... that would be a nice thing actually .
having shorts as an unlockable outfit is something different and also more acceptable.

[Driber]

heh, unlockables FTW

@LadyR & TH: Can any of you explain the context of that part, please?

From your descriptions it sort of indicates that Camilla played the whole game start to finish and never saw Lara's pants turned into shorts, which confuses me because in that very recent IGN interview Camilla said that she hasn't played the game yet. Not even once

@AA:

[Darkwoodsoftime]

Originally Posted by Driber

Camilla said that she hasn't even played the game yet. Not even once

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[The Hylden]

Originally Posted by Driber

heh, unlockables FTW

@LadyR & TH: Can any of you explain the context of that part, please?

From your descriptions it sort of indicates that Camilla played the whole game start to finish and never saw Lara's pants turned into shorts, which confuses me because in that very recent IGN interview Camilla said that she hasn't even played the game yet. Not even once

She hasn't played much of the game, but when she does the mocap, for the cutscenes, they have a widescreen TV that's hooked up to show her Lara in the cutscenes, in real time. Everything they're capturing from her and the rest of the cast that she's interacting with in the scene is instantly translated to a finished cutscene, even including the environment around her, hazards, and fire (minus any tweaking), and so she's been able to see the story basically from start to end, as she's acted it, and lived it. They only have like one more session left to capture some lines, they said, so she's seen basically everything from a story standpoint. Note: I think this brand new tech is absolutely amazing!


I'm trying to remember. I think the question was regarding homages, or anything iconic from the previous games that might have been worked into this new game. I think that's where this answer eventually came from. The panel went around on things and she went into one of the things she thought would eventually appear were the shorts.


lol@Darkwoodsoftime, that wouldn't count, as she's only playing the demo there Haha

[LARALOVERnr.1]

Originally Posted by LadyRufina

Imo, that happens way too fast. I would rather it all pan out nice and slowly. Besides, you don't just become a badass by ripping your trousers into shorts and turning your ponytail to a braid. Plus I don't think those trousers will rip and I don't want them to either.

It's not just the ripping of her pants that's supposed to make her badass.
Think of the ripping of her pants as a fysical hint to the badass Lara we all know and love and this Lara will eventually become.

This scene is supposed to take place near the end of the game.
Lara has already been through hell and has done some nasty things in order to survive. The final challenge or task she has to complete before she can get off of the island is also a not so pretty one, but she knows she can do it.
She thinks back of all the things she has done and experienced in order to survive, and realizes this is her destiny. She's almost there and she can and will make it through this (the mental preparation). As she realizes this, she does that determined look-change-thingie she did in the turning point trailer and than readies herself fysically. Her pants are torn, so she rips off a part, making them into an adaptation of her classic shorts. Her hair could get in the way, so she braids it. She grabs her weapons and other equipment she might need and then leaves, like I described in my previous comment.

In this scene, her pants aren't being ripped just for more sex appeal or skin, but as a statement, an ode to the original Tomb raider, which just happens to be realistic and usefull in a situation like that. Why keep your ripped, torn pants while you are way more flexible if you would make them a bit shorter?

And I'm totally with Driber and Adobe on this one, shorts don't have to be skimpy. I agree that original Lara's were, but everything about her was sexy and a bit skimpy, since she was supposed to be the ultimate woman and a sex symbol. This Lara is definately not any of that, even though she's still sexy and, well, 'better (can't really find the right word)' than the average girl of her age, and thus she should have 'normal' (like, not so tight) shorts.


Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against her current outfit and I think that it is very fit for her and her situation, but a scene similar to the one I described would IMO be awesome, add to the game and make it very clear that this girl is destined to be a true, hardened TOMB RAIDER!

[Driber]

@TH: Wow that's pretty cool stuff indeed. Technology has really advanced, hasn't it

Though it's of course still cutscenes using the game engine. It'll be another 20 years or so until they can actually do that with FMV, hehe.

Thanks for the break-down. All makes sense now

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Getting back to the point, Camilla saying that she hasn't seen it herself, doesn't necessarily have to mean it won't be there. It could be in a cutscene that Camilla hasn't done any voice acting in.

Originally Posted by The Hylden

lol@Darkwoodsoftime, that wouldn't count, as she's only playing the demo there Haha

Not to mention that the photo was taken after the aforementioned IGN interview

So back to you, Mr. Darkwoodsoftime

[LARALOVERnr.1]

@Driber
Maybe the whole cutscene doesn't contain any vocals. I wouldn't expect Lara to say 'I think I'll rip my trousers, since they're torn....'

Or maybe she lied. It would be one hell of a spoiler....

[The Hylden]

She does all cutscenes physically, not just the voice. She sees Lara do every action she does in real time. All of the cutscenes are done, except a few extra lines they will need in one final session with her.

If it's a lie, I'll be surprised.

Edit: I'm actually forgetting right now in which thread Ivana KC asked about Camilla doing the mocap stuff and if she did it all, a gymnast did it, etc... Anyway, before I forget again, in this panel, she and Karl and the rest said it's like this:

Camilla does all, or mostly all, of the physical action in the cutscenes, and for the ingame stuff, and perhaps a portion of the cutscenes, a few other people, including even some of the animators at CD, get suited up to try some moves out. And, third, in the ingame moment to moment interactions and slow moving motions, a lot of that is still hand animated. CD doesn't get as much credit as they deserve, in my opinion, for their animators and what they've been able to do over the years. You hear stuff about Ubisoft, for instance, with how fluid their animations are. CD's work on the Legacy of Kain games with everything hand animated from scratch was amazing and that carried over most times through the Tomb Raider games they've done so far. I am not sure how many of the people working there have been there since the days of LoK, but regardless, they've got some really top-notch animators.

A person in the audience asking the question about the animations said that he was blown away by them in the game, that he's never seen animations so fluid and realistic

[Driber]

^ Sooo right, TH!

Having done some animations for Lara myself in the past by hand for a cutscene, I know what a painstakingly hard job it is

Originally Posted by LARALOVERnr.1

And I'm totally with Driber and Adobe on this one, shorts don't have to be skimpy. I agree that original Lara's were, but everything about her was sexy and a bit skimpy, since she was supposed to be the ultimate woman and a sex symbol. This Lara is definately not any of that, even though she's still sexy and, well, 'better (can't really find the right word)' than the average girl of her age, and thus she should have 'normal' (like, not so tight) shorts.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be buttfloss. It could simply be some nice looking normal shorts.

I liked these ones:

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Although a bit less puffy, to accentuate her figure better

(Down, AA....down!)

Originally Posted by LARALOVERnr.1

@Driber
Maybe the whole cutscene doesn't contain any vocals. I wouldn't expect Lara to say 'I think I'll rip my trousers, since they're torn....'

Or maybe she lied. It would be one hell of a spoiler....

Good point.

If the scene like you described earlier is going to be in the game, I wouldn't expect the VA to just blurt it out like that.

[adobeARTIST]

Originally Posted by Driber

@AA:

BWA-HAHAHAHA

Your BEST "oh-you" embelishment ever, Driber!!

[Driber]

^ Heh, I knew that might just tickle your fancy

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So, this thread has been dying out a bit. Do any of our recently joined members have any thoughts on if Lara should be wearing shorts or not?