Please IO... don't pull a "steam exclusive" on us

[111BLACKLIGHTNING111]

Please realize, Eidos, and IO, that DRM is bull. It has never increased sales by a profitable amount. DRM is like the border to mexico. It's laughably ineffective.

All the reasons people use to support steam are illogical; "Itz haz a fancee interfaese, I iz having all games in saem plaese, I iz need no dihzk". Why the constant red tape is somehow made less red because of these "reasons" is beyond me.

Every game that has attempted to thwart piracy has been exponentially ineffective, and I say exponentially because DRM encourages piracy. A pirated game doesnt have the intrusive DRM a player would otherwise have to put up with, and in addition, the person gets it for free and faster.

If it were one time activation for every steam game with everything else optional, there would be no issue. The problem is that EVERYTHING is mandatory; you must update if there is one available, you cannot download from the disk you must download from the site regardless of having physical media, updates are lengthy to the point of feeling like you're just redownloading the entire game again and they are always slow regardless of you're internet connection probably because it's done "securely".

The offline mode that steam has only barely remedies these problems, and it doesnt work with all games.

My one wish would be that Hitman Absolution be the first big budget game to make it to GoG. If not GoG, then something that is less intrusive than steam. If it has to be steam, make it one time activation with optional updates like bethesda did with fallout and skyrim.

[Divine Shadow]

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

Please realize, Eidos, and IO, that DRM is bull. It has never increased sales by a profitable amount.

Actually, Steam sales have largely allowed titles that have long since stopped making money, become somewhat evergreen with their profits. Steam is now a smart business move.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

All the reasons people use to support steam are illogical; "Itz haz a fancee interfaese, I iz having all games in saem plaese, I iz need no dihzk".

Absolutely pathetic, building your own straw man to demolish there. Steam does have an effective interface, there is an undeniable convenience in having all your games in one place, and playing without the DVD/CD should have become industry standard years ago. Steam allows me to play my games wherever I am, regardless of the proximity of the disc.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

Every game that has attempted to thwart piracy has been exponentially ineffective, and I say exponentially because DRM encourages piracy. A pirated game doesnt have the intrusive DRM a player would otherwise have to put up with, and in addition, the person gets it for free and faster.

Actually due to their competitive sales and encouragement of free DLC content and patches, Steam has had a significant impact on reducing piracy. People who didn't used to buy games, now do. Its a success story for the industry.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

If it were one time activation for every steam game with everything else optional, there would be no issue.

I don't understand what this means. Please be clearer.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

The problem is that EVERYTHING is mandatory; you must update if there is one available,

Lie. Steam's offline mode works perfectly and does not need any updates for games to function.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

you cannot download from the disk you must download from the site regardless of having physical media,

Lie. Steam will prompt you to install from the disc if you insert it. You are clearly doing something wrong.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

updates are lengthy to the point of feeling like you're just redownloading the entire game again and they are always slow regardless of you're internet connection probably because it's done "securely".

Steam is fast and efficient and updating software and has some of the fastest speeds of content delivery that I know - I say this as someone in the UK who is not even in the same country as Valve's primary content servers. I suggest you take up this problem with your ISP.

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

The offline mode that steam has only barely remedies these problems, and it doesnt work with all games.

Please document the games that Steam's offline mode does not work with. (aside from online games, of course).

Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111

My one wish would be that Hitman Absolution be the first big budget game to make it to GoG. If not GoG, then something that is less intrusive than steam. If it has to be steam, make it one time activation with optional updates like bethesda did with fallout and skyrim.

Steam is hugely more profitable than GoG, and I'm saying that as a fan and customer of GoG. Steam also has a model in which a game like Hitman: Absolution will be massively discounted during the Christmas sale giving further profit to Square Enix and access to the game to a wider and less-dedicated audience. Your descriptions of Steam as "intrusive" are significantly counter to my experience with the service.

[The Youth Counselor]

Unlike others I don't see Steam as intrusive DRM.

I see it as a convenient all in one gaming client that has replaced the need for CDs, cracks, shortcuts on my desktop, chat clients such as Vent and Teamspeak, and going to websites to download patches.

I find it funny that the only people I see gripe about Steam and having to connect to the internet to play games are people who post about this online and are also the ones who like to show off their massive rigs (that somehow Steam slows down?).

I'll admit it, I'm a VALVe b*tch.

[111BLACKLIGHTNING111]

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
Please realize, Eidos, and IO, that DRM is bull. It has never increased sales by a profitable amount.

Actually, Steam sales have largely allowed titles that have long since stopped making money, become somewhat evergreen with their profits. Steam is now a smart business move.

I said DRM, not steam so you strawmanned a bit there but not to worry, you're wrong anyways. Steam is not the savior of the PC gaming industry as people claim it is.

What you call "sales" as if to prove steam's "popularity" I call forced purchase. Gamers have no choice but to buy from steam if they can't find a better alternative DRM or if it's a steam exclusive.

Anyways, my point in the first place was that DRM has never thwarted piracy. A steam DRM takes about a month or so to crack depending on the popularity of the game and the dedication of the pirate.

If someone wants to pirate a game NOTHING will stop them unless you introduce some seriously draconian DRM.

DRM is completely and utterly POINTLESS.

Publishers and developers who think anything contrary are morons. Nothing but illogical paranoia.

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
All the reasons people use to support steam are illogical; "Itz haz a fancee interfaese, I iz having all games in saem plaese, I iz need no dihzk".

Absolutely pathetic, building your own straw man to demolish there.

A strawman is when someone claims someone quotes another person but that quote is not accurate or it is completely false. According to that definition, anyone can clearly see that I have not strawmanned anywhere. Class dismissed.

Steam does have an effective interface there is an undeniable convenience in having all your games in one place, and playing without the DVD/CD should have become industry standard years ago.

Being able to redownload you're digital copy in case you lost you're physical one is unquestionably a great convenience, but having a disc on hand unless it grew legs and crawled away is much greater. Putting the disc in the tray and simply clicking install is much faster and convenient.

Also, the convenience of digital downloads also depends on the person's internet connection. Not so convenient when it takes two days to download a few gigs is it? I've since upgraded my internet connection, but it goes without saying.

Steam allows me to play my games wherever I am, regardless of the proximity of the disc [as long as I can access the internet from where I am].

I fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
Every game that has attempted to thwart piracy has been exponentially ineffective, and I say exponentially because DRM encourages piracy. A pirated game doesnt have the intrusive DRM a player would otherwise have to put up with, and in addition, the person gets it for free and faster.

Actually due to their competitive sales and encouragement of free DLC content and patches, Steam has had a significant impact on reducing piracy. People who didn't used to buy games, now do. Its a success story for the industry.

I've heard the same bull story everywhere I've been, and it's old. Class is now in session.

Patches have always been free.

DLC always costs something or nothing depending on the publisher; it has nothing to do with steam.

Again, sales have nothing to do with steam's success because noone can compete with them.

Class dismissed.

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
If it were one time activation for every steam game with everything else optional, there would be no issue.

I don't understand what this means. Please be clearer.

Here's clearer for you;

(Imagine the following in an asian accent)

AH SEHDA IHT SHOODA BE A WAAHNTUM ACTUVAESHUN SO DAT EVERFING AFTAWAAADS DIHDNT REQWAAYAA ASSESSING DA CLAEINT ANYMOO.

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
The problem is that EVERYTHING is mandatory; you must update if there is one available,

Lie. Steam's offline mode works perfectly and does not need any updates for games to function.

Depending on the game, offline mode might not work, and what about when you actually want to update? You are treated to what I can only describe as a lazy plumber showing his crack to you while he pretends to work. The estimated time goes up and down, and even on a good internet connection can take about 5 hours just for a few gigs.

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
you cannot download from the disk you must download from the site regardless of having physical media,

Lie. Steam will prompt you to install from the disc if you insert it. You are clearly doing something wrong.

I just looked it up and while it may not be intentional and simply an unintentional bug, every single game I have tried to install from the disk, being a steam game, has refused to do so and instead redownload the entire game claiming to be "updating".

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...downloading-it

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
updates are lengthy to the point of feeling like you're just redownloading the entire game again and they are always slow regardless of you're internet connection probably because it's done "securely".

Steam is fast and efficient and updating software and has some of the fastest speeds of content delivery that I know - I say this as someone in the UK who is not even in the same country as Valve's primary content servers. I suggest you take up this problem with your ISP.

You're either bullting and just can't accept that you're wrong, or are very privileged to have never had a problem with download times.

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
The offline mode that steam has only barely remedies these problems, and it doesnt work with all games.

Please document the games that Steam's offline mode does not work with. (aside from online games, of course).

The games that require window live in addition to steam.

I should also mention that offline mode is basically useless because "It won't work if you unexpectedly lose internet access -- which is probably when you'd most want Offline mode to work."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1105333AAV8g2i

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Originally Posted by 111BLACKLIGHTNING111 View Post
My one wish would be that Hitman Absolution be the first big budget game to make it to GoG. If not GoG, then something that is less intrusive than steam. If it has to be steam, make it one time activation with optional updates like bethesda did with fallout and skyrim.

Steam is hugely more profitable than GoG

Which is only a result of basically all PC games being exclusive to it and nothing more. Don't believe me? If developers/publishers reason for putting all their games exclusively on steam was because its just so "convenient" and "awesome", and it wasn't actually an issue of pirate paranoia, then why not make you're game available on every digital download service possible? It would maximize profits, so why not?

and I'm saying that as a fan and customer of GoG.

So, theoretically speaking, if GoG was anywhere as massive as steam would you like it more? You see what I'm saying? The only thing steam has on anything else is that it has everything.

Steam also has a model in which a game like Hitman: Absolution will be massively discounted during the Christmas sale giving further profit to Square Enix and access to the game to a wider and less-dedicated audience.

So you're saying;

Steam invented the "christmas sale/discount [model?]".

Steam is the only franchise that does anything similar.

Your descriptions of Steam as "intrusive" are significantly counter to my experience with the service.

You're logic is counter to reason.

In the end steam's DRM scheme is completely unnecessary, and none of the superficial perks that comes with it outweigh the nasty red tape.

I suppose it's possible I've had a biased experience, with my first experience having purchased a game that could barely run on my dinosaur computer, took two days to download, and even required GFWL.

[Hitman_fan]

Another frustrated steam user that doesn't have a stable internet connection in 2012, or is too ignorant to know how to use a "complicated system as steam".

If you want to plug and play, buy a damn console.

I have tens of games on steam, and haven't had a single problem, everything works fine.
I have a stable fast internet connection and I cand download a game like Hitman BM in a few minutes. It doesn't take 5 hours or days to download a game on a fast connection.

If some frustrated people that have problems with steam or any other DRM means the producers should drop steam ? We should all cater to their needs.

I have games that required GFWL again not a single problem. So yea you could say I am "lucky" and I can say you are "unlucky".

Always the frustrated ones are the loudest bunch. Funny they complain about DRM but apparently have a stable internet connection to sit all day long on forums complaining.

It's so childish an immature to complain that you have to press a few more clicks to be able to play a damn game. Oh my gosh, WHY DO I HAVE TO SIGNUP THIS GAME, WHY DO I HAVE TO INSTALL THIS TY SOFTWARE TO PLAY IT, I WANT TO PLAY NOT INSTALL POINTLESS SOFTWARE AND BE ONLINE TO PLAY A GAME.

Again, you guys complain that you have to go through more steps(that take, a couple of minutes) to play a game, but apparently you got plenty of free time to complain in wall of text on forums.

[111BLACKLIGHTNING111]

You have failed to acknowledge that counterarguments to your points already exist in my previous replies. You don't really deserve a response, but I'll humor you, if for nothing else, for my own amusement.

Originally Posted by Hitman_fan

Another frustrated steam user that doesn't have a stable internet connection in 2012

I mentioned I used to have a bad internet connection. I also mentioned that I upgraded my connection to COX and still experienced slow download times. At another person's house (who also has a higher than average connection speed) steam was still slow.

...or is too ignorant to know how to use a "complicated system as steam".

Nice strawman there.

If you want to plug and play, buy a damn console.

Fallacy; suggesting that PC gaming software is justified in inconveniencing people because it isnt a console, and also because it is a PC.

I have tens of games on steam, and haven't had a single problem, everything works fine.
I have a stable fast internet connection and I cand download a game like Hitman BM in a few minutes. It doesn't take 5 hours or days to download a game on a fast connection.

If you want to go ahead and believe in these delusions go ahead. If they aren't delusions, then I should then say you are the luckiest person in the world.

If some frustrated people that have problems with steam or any other DRM means the producers should drop steam?

Why is can you steam are fanboys no ever construct make sense sentence?

And yes, since we're the ones giving them their money, we should be bothered when they fuhk us in the ass.

We should all cater to their needs.

We should serve the people that we are giving our money to? Why?

I have games that required GFWL again not a single problem. So yea you could say I am "lucky" and I can say you are "unlucky".

And I can say for certain you are completely ignorant.

Always the frustrated ones are the loudest bunch. Funny they complain about DRM but apparently have a stable internet connection to sit all day long on forums complaining.

And you morons spend all your time on forums defending your perfect software instead of actually using it.

It's so childish an immature to complain that you have to press a few more clicks to be able to play a damn game. Oh my gosh, WHY DO I HAVE TO SIGNUP THIS GAME, WHY DO I HAVE TO INSTALL THIS TY SOFTWARE TO PLAY IT, I WANT TO PLAY NOT INSTALL POINTLESS SOFTWARE AND BE ONLINE TO PLAY A GAME.

Fallacy; completely ignoring the actual problems with steam at hand, and underexaggerates said problems as "a few more clicks".

Again, you guys complain that you have to go through more steps(that take, a couple of minutes) to play a game, but apparently you got plenty of free time to complain in wall of text on forums.

Apparently you intended that little pet phrase of yours as some backhand slam. You probably were very proud of yourself that you had thought it up. Well, so am I *slow clap*.

Since you repeated your little "backhand slam" twice, why shouldnt I? Apparently you morons spend all your time on forums defending your perfect software instead of actually using it.

We actually have a reason to be complaining because we can't play most of our games without using the damn software. Since your "perfect software" and all it's "awesome little perks" don't look like they'll be threatened anytime soon, you people have no reason to say anything.

The only reason you people have to say anything on these forums is because you are probably socially retarded and can't have a more satisfying exchange of words anywhere else except these forums.

[4s4sin96]

Absolution on STEAM? (-_-)