babifrence's LOKD oddities

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Another round of my oddity pages . I discovered the following images by accident. Once I had a browse withing the spirit forge I realised that when my mum called me downstairs, I closed the game when I was starting with Kain at the Catacoombs in the demon realm (remembering that I did not encounter a checkpoint because I quit when the cinematic of Kain finding that he was still alive).

Take a look at what I discovered when I reloaded the game (using continue game and not load game): -



When I first saw this I was quite shocked. Where the etherial gases are coming from cannot be accessed because there is no platform to stand on.



You can see that if you look closely that due to code optimisation as well as memory efficiency the 4 tentacles that are supposed to plunge the platform lower and lower are not complete because behind the platform nothing can be seen anyway. Nice one CD !!! These programmers sure know how to optimise on memory/hard drive capacity.



This is the bottom of the spirit forge but it seems that its half spirit half light forge ? Did I stumble upon a programming cheat (thats code cheat and not cheater) ?


PEACE OUT !!!


PS Just so you guys know, Raziel has already acquired the Spirit imbuement at this point but I do advise that if you intend to start with Kain at the Catacoombs in Avernus, find a checkpoint before saving and/or quitting otherwise you will end up with this .

Once it happens you cant escape because there is no way to get back to the material realm. The little rubble mountain on the floor can be climbed on but because you cant use the water imbuement you are stuck on the floor with no etherial conduit. As I said above as well, due to the etherial gases having no platform in which to transform (yes I know it rhymes ) it means you have to start from scratch .

[card]

pretty neat thing. gonna try that sometime
thanks, babifrence for the weekly oddities

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Originally posted by card
pretty neat thing. gonna try that sometime
thanks, babifrence for the weekly oddities

Thanks dude . Theres more to come in the sign of Oddity threads by me, stay tuned .


PEACE OUT !!!


PS Do remember once you try out what I explained in the first post that you cant escape, get out or return back to the material realm so keep a save game handy .

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Yes its me again with some more regular oddities . I was fortunate (if you can call it that) to have stumbled on some kind of programming oddity when I started running through the cheats.

Basically, I started in Chapter 1 as Kain and at this point you have just activated the first checkpoint. Now, when I read Azazel's help in trying to do the cheats I thought (as probably most people did) that the wireframe mode would be the coolest.

So I first applied the Reaver cheat so that I had the "tube" and Simon's hilarious voice over saying "fear... the tube !" can then be heard. I knew that toon Kain wouldnt support this feature but I turned into him anyway. I then changed to wireframe mode and I was mesmorised by the work, architecture and the ability to include such a moving set of codes. I was running around looking at how good Kain looked, realising that different parts of him were drawn separately - like the eyes, the mouth, etc.... Then I applied the textureless rendering cheat. This was just as moving for me as the wireframe mode was. I was flabbergasted and again I did some running around just looking in amazement at the dynamics of the character and how fludic the game was. I began to truely appreciate the technological advancements and the talents that CD had embedded within their new game. I was just in awe. I decided I would change back to Kain whilst I remained in the textureless rendering mode (me still being mesmorised of course ) and I found myself turning into Raziel ?!?!

I tried changing back of course but it wouldnt work. I decided I would take some screenshots for you guys to see for yourselves. This isnt really a bug I suppose - just a simple coding glitch I guess...

Anyway, here are the pics I took: -



This first image shows Raziel standing on Kain's red checkpoint insignia. Quite strange eh ?




The second image shows Raziel draining blood from a vitality basin. As you can see the absorbing colour stream is red and not blue.




This image shows Raziel standing infront of the Balance emblem, for some reason he cant pick it up. Everytime I try to press the action button he just tries to slash it.




This image is a screenshot of Raziel's inventory with Kain's tasks. It even has the correct colour schemes for Raziel.




As I began to get more and more curious I decided I would save this game to see what would happen the next time I reloaded it. As you can see, the insignia is unmistakably Raziels now.


Thats it for the oddities in my neck of the woods. I will return with "Vorador's Mansion" oddities once I have finished re-writing it since when I tried to submit it yesterday and I received an error saying I had included too much vb code in my post. I returned to find that when I clicked back - several hours worth of text, time and effort had simply disappeared. I wont be making that mistake again so I use notepad as a source of backup. In case you guys havent had this problem, take precautions when writing long posts to back it up somewhere in case you lose it for whatever reason. Several kilobytes worth of a document space wont eat up your harddisk so take heed on my warning peeps. By the way, I hope the messageboard authors are taking notes !


PEACE OUT !!!


PS I will be back

[Reaper007]

Nice find, but these really aren't bugs of any kind just to inform anyone who may think they are, nor are they coding glitches. I'm not sure what they are called but they aren't bugs. Bugs fall under what can cause problems during normal game play. Once you enter cheats you diverge from regular gameplay, and any bugs encountered while using these cheats during gameplay will usually be ignored unless they cause a crash or something as equally bad.

For example one bug I found while using the toon cheat in Voradors mansion while in the 3rd spear room. If you try to leave the room with Raz in toon mode the game will crash with no error message.

Reaper007

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Yes, yet again there are more of my oddity threads. Soon enough we will have the Babifrence Oddity Forum . Anyway, I believe when I did this I discovered it merely by accident. I think I wanted to view Kain's front and hence the reason for my accidental discovery.

Basically, I tried out the cheats as soon as I had discovered them on blincoln's site. Never-the-less I couldnt get them working (though a while later, I asked for help and got it ) so I decided to look at Kain by moving the mouse a little so that I could see Kain fully. I noticed Kain did this funny movement thing with his head when he held TK. I also noticed how he does this piculiar thing with his jaw when you watch him feed and his claws are just hypnotically waving in the air.

I discovered this: -







I browsed through all the rooms and everything on the wall and the rooms connected to the wall from which I drank blood from and couldnt find a thing. In wireframe mode, things cant be seen so Im clueless as to how it is possible to drink from an entity that is clearly invisible ?!?!

But for now, I bid you farewell until next time...


PEACE OUT !!!

[Umah Bloodomen]

Just a suggestion, babifrence;

Do you think we might be able to combine your "oddities" into one "easy-to-locate and manage" thread?

[AndaPanda]

I was thinking the same thing.
And btw, I love your "oddity" threads, babifrence!

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
Just a suggestion, babifrence;

Do you think we might be able to combine your "oddities" into one "easy-to-locate and manage" thread?

Yeah sure .

I thought it would be more appealing to the fans if they could have a flavour for different things, but I guess this is a nice thought.

Thanks

Originally posted by AndaPanda
I was thinking the same thing.
And btw, I love your "oddity" threads, babifrence!

Thanks Anda

Theres more to come by the way, so hold on to your hats cause this is gonna be a rough ride .


PEACE OUT !!!

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Yes, yet another round of informative goodies on LoK: Defiance's Oddities. This time round Umah Bloodomen was kind enough to merge my prior threads that entailed oddities into one big wholesome sized one .

This is gonna be a brief oddity, but an oddity at that. Its about the first cracked wall you have to shatter. Looking at the screenshot below you can already see the Sarafan is dead and hanging onto that spike but I havent even got to the other side of the wall yet let alone brake the wall !



Here is Kain before he shatters the fractured wall in wireframe mode.




Now as we can see from the screenshot hes not dead and not hanging off the spike. The cinematic obviously occurs once I have shattered the wall and passed through.

The cinematic appears in wireframe mode as well, this obviously means that it is an in-game cutscene (you didnt need me to tell you that though, bet you already knew ).



From a 1st person view we can now see he is impaled again and the entity is just lying there as before.

The screenshots are in order of execution and not preference.


PEACE OUT !!!

[KainOFthehylden]

Keep'em comin

[Dark_Raziel01]

great pics i wish i could find something good on lok that i found & put it on my site

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

This is a repeated post about the bending reaver subject. I thought it was time to clear up any confusion and illustrate my ideas and opinions for you. I wasnt sure if everyone or even most people viewed the Defiance Tricks thread and hence the reason for the repeat. After all, it is Babifrence's Oddities .

Here is the bending reaver (or not ): -

On the floor: -


On the pool: -



They arnt camera tricks (no pun intended) or extremely excellent fakes lol. By the way, that is the earth reaver that you can see not the spectral reaver.

I took the liberty of taking another 2 screenshots for all the sceptics out there. Theres even a ripple of the TK blast I made (according to the instructions of several forum members), but I stick by my guns - its just a reflection on the floor. The TK creates a fractional movement by Raziel creating a visual illusion. If you positioned Raziel correctly the Reaver would appear bent even if you didnt tap TK.

Here are my developed findings: -

Crossed Reaver (EARTH): -


Bending Reaver (EARTH): -



PEACE OUT !!!

PS Theres more to come. I have said before that Vorador's Mansion was to come soon and it will my pretties, it will *rubs his hands together*. Im just gonna take care of any existing oddities that I can find and let you oggle on them for now .

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

When I went into that portal (where the Elder God talks from) as Kain, (going 500 years into the future) I had to go to the bat beacon (Vista) to get to Avernus Cathedral and I noticed that after he disappears he can still walk around. I even drained the blood from that basin beside the Vista !!!

LOOK: -








PEACE OUT !!!

PS These screenshots look as if they were taken sequentially, believe it or not they took at least an hour to get all 3 images the way I wanted and so that they looked good.

The TK image took ages because it is a moving shock of colours and hence it would only show faint lines at times so that took a while.

When I tried getting the slash bit I kept ending up with the ending point so you would see a white line instead of a smooth gash.

And with the blood suck, I wanted the camera angle to look decent otherwise you would end up with an odd view where the basin can be seen emptying itself.

[Fury]

Very nice pics babifrence

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Originally posted by Fury
Very nice pics babifrence

Thanks , glad you like them. I have a few more surprises up my sleeve for you guys. If you are patient enough, you will not only notice this post in your email but you will notice a new oddity I am currently writing up.

Stay tuned


PEACE OUT !!!

[warpsavant]

It is refreshing to see someone having such a good time with the game. Nice pics. Post more.

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

I was keeping my eyes pealed yet again for more interesting and eye opening Oddities. I wrote this particular oddity about the spectral reaver and the material reaver in the official bug thread but I didnt provide any pictures. Welcome to my oddity hall of fame .

Well heres Raziel preaching to Kain about the Ancient Vs Hylden battle during the game cut-scene: -




However, when you refer back to the Dark Chronicle of this same cinematic, look what happens: -




Magic eh ?


PEACE OUT !!!


PS I have spent many hours looking for oddities and I have enough to keep you happy for about a week simply because I visit the forum everyday and write at least 1 post .

Anyway, hope you enjoy it.

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Originally posted by warpsavant
It is refreshing to see someone having such a good time with the game. Nice pics. Post more.

Thanks.

Yeah I have had a lot of fun playing Defiance. I must have played it soo much though, it would make someone half my age seem mature .

Dont worry warpsavant theres many more where that came from .


PEACE OUT !!!

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Heres another dose of Babifrence's Oddities . I noticed that when Raziel absorbs Turel's soul his eyes begin to glow green ?!?! When he realises how to rematerialise his eyes are shown with a bluish glow.

His eyes have always been a blue glow and throughout the entire game the green eyed glow implies the hylden or at least a demonic entity is possessing humans or a dead vessel. Is this a deliberate act or are we led to believe this is a bug ?

Perhaps the reason why Raziel's reaver is green during gameplay and not blue amounts to the same reason perhaps. I hope CD can collaborate on some of these if not all these discoveries.

Heres a pictorial example: -


Good ol' blue eyes, no not Frank Sinatra :-




Raziel is unbecoming, help me its a Hylden !!! : -




Theres more to come


PEACE OUT !!!

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

This is a fixed and far more developed post than my other one on the Official Bug Thread. As no one made any comments or referred to it at all I decided to place them here and see what people thought.

So why does the last and most important mural seem to change places ? Because its more practical for Raziel?, hmm.....

Here is the pictorial evidence to support my argument: -









Nothing there now ?!?!




Ahh, here we go - its moved homes .




PEACE OUT !!!


PS I have been trying to fix my post with the pictures because the forums on Eidos dont seem to support images which include a parenthesis in them, i.e. they contain brackets ( ).

Anyone like my Avater Pic by the way: -

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

This isnt so much an Oddity, more of an interesting revelation. Basically, on the entrance to the Elder God's inner sanctum the full Balance Emblem needs to used as the key that opens the door. I never knew that the image before you place the key there was an image of the pillars. This truely is amazing and very interesting. Its like the saying about how the reaver is the key. We know that Kain is now the key that will return the pillars to vampiric rule and hence the drawing. I cant wait to find out what the significance of the complete balance emblem has with Kain's destiny although you can tell that the key he has found has everything to do with opening doors and going to sacred places in LoK 6 (my theory).

Anyway, here is the screenshot I took: -



If you are playing the game in 16 bit colour then not everything is clear. From a distance (i.e. not first person view) the image looks scaly and unclear. My graphics card is a GeForce 2MX 200 64MB card. It is a lower range nVidia card so it performs considerably less than an average GeForce.

Hope you guys like it .


PEACE OUT !!!

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Not so long ago Anda was kind enough to PM me about an oddity she too encountered through her journeys into Nosgoth.

Here is an image dipicting Anda's Oddity: -



From what I gather, the Sarafan Archers appear to be stuck in a point of the terrain that she couldnt reach and thus had to use TK to pull them out by force and give them a serious butt whooping .


Im not sure if anyone has noticed this but during the game there are points on certain terrains that our heroes cannot reach for technical reasons. Ill give you a small example. On the 3rd chapter Moebius goes on about how Kain has found the first fragment of the Balance Emblem and that Raziel is not here in the typical sense. Never-the-less Kain is now free to wander over to the vista and teleport himself to the pillars. Now we can see that the balcony has room for roaming around (not greatly) but based on its size you could walk quite abit. The way CD have done this is so that there is a platform to teleport and nothing more. Kain cannot move on to the left or right side of the balcony which is coded into the game just like in the image where the Archers are.

For a start they shouldnt be there generally and for technical reasons. If Kain cannot go to them and walk the terrain they can then the adversary should not be able to either. Also, if you notice that you cant use first person view on the balcony either. Thats because due to game optimising they only drew part of the balcony. If we were able to actually look around in first person view we would probably see a green empty atmosphere as the terrain is only drawn for us to see and use (briefly), nothing else.

Anyway, hope that explains a few things. More to come soon .


PEACE OUT !!!

PS Anda if you wanna fill them in on exactly what happened feel free .

I have taken the liberty of resizing the image so that people can see it and download it to their internet cache quickly in case they are on a dial-up connection (like me ).

[babifrence]

Hiya Peeps,

Originally posted by Reaper007
Nice find, but these really aren't bugs of any kind just to inform anyone who may think they are, nor are they coding glitches. I'm not sure what they are called but they aren't bugs. Bugs fall under what can cause problems during normal game play. Once you enter cheats you diverge from regular gameplay, and any bugs encountered while using these cheats during gameplay will usually be ignored unless they cause a crash or something as equally bad.

For example one bug I found while using the toon cheat in Voradors mansion while in the 3rd spear room. If you try to leave the room with Raz in toon mode the game will crash with no error message.

Reaper007

I never actually said they were bugs what I said was "This isnt really a bug I suppose - just a simple coding glitch I guess...".

I had to burst your bubble my dear Reaper007 but it is a coding glitch . When you code something theres always a default action that the game will always comply with. That being said once a specific action is done it complies with how its programmed. Heres a simple coding example I will show you to give you an idea as to why it is a coding glitch: -

Lets say we have a case statement about the changing of Kain from Toon mode to normal mode: -


switch (Kain_Toon_Expire)

{
case '1':
normalKain = normalKain - toonKain;
break;

case '2':
normalKain = normalKain++;
break;

case '3':
if (toonKain < 0)
{
normalRaziel = normalRaziel + toonKain;
}

else
{
normalKain = normalKain++;
}
break;

default:
cout << "Numerical Calculation Error"\n;
return 1;
}


Case 1 implies that normal Kain goes into toon mode Kain.

Case 2 implies that Kain returns from his toon mode into the normal Kain we know and love.

Case 3 implies that if normal Raziel's variable is combined with toon Kain then Raziel will inevitably change into the character.

The conditional part means turn back toon mode Kain into normal Kain again.

The default case implies that there is a problem and the error message Numerical Calculation Error will appear to inform the programmer (or sometimes even the home user) that a problem has occured. In worst case scenarios Windows may ask you to debug.

Anyway, thats just an example of how a coding glitch could allow for toon Kain to become normal Raziel instead of normal Kain. It could be an easy mistake, it could be a forced mistake due to consistant variable quantities continuously changing and left with no other choice but to change into Raziel - who knows ?


PEACE OUT !!!

[JRootabega]

Good call on the Reaver reflection, babifrence! Of course, no real reflection would make the images cross like that, but it does explain the bending!