Official new Lara's voice & VA discussion thread

[Driber]

Originally Posted by a big house

I don't think she deserves all the attention she is getting, I can understand why she is getting it, I just don't agree with it entirely.

So why then? You didn't explain.

[a big house]

^ Because she isn't the only Voice actor, motion capture person and she didn't make the game herself. I'd rather see every single developer that worked on the game, than her...
I'd rather celebrate the two odd years of hard work they've done than someone who stood in a recording both and moaned for a while :L

[The Hylden]

But she didn't stand in a recording booth. She did most of the Lara you see, every movement you see with Lara in every cutscene -- good bet that you're seeing her. She and the rest of the cast aren't recording around a booth; they're in an open huge room called the Volume, with mocap suits on, acting physically together. I don't know how many times that has to be said before you accept that

And at one event, one, they're showing her. I mean, if they show her at every event in the spotlight, maybe you have a point starting to form, but this is probably the first and only time they're going to do this.

Do you also have a problem with them showing Rhianna Pratchett, the writer, at this panel? She didn't make the game, either, and all she did was write the game's script nice and cushily on her laptop, most likely. Does that make her input any less valuable? Because she was also at this event shown about as much as Camilla Ludington was.

And I agree that what's working and what's different and better now in this lead up to the game is due to the efforts of Meagan Marie. She's definitely involving the fanbase the community the way it should be, and she's doing a great job of making sure that things like this are shown the right way to the public.

[a big house]

But still, she isn't the only person who has done the mocap ect... And no, I don't have a problem with Rhianna being on the panel, even though she didn't make the game, she is still a vital part of it's success... And, she isn't a 'hot topic' as it would be...

[The Hylden]

This is exactly like arguing that Mark Ruffalo should have never been featured in an interview for playing the Hulk, even though he not only does the voice and the Hulk is modeled on his features, but he also does most of the physical mocap work. They had stuntment do a few specialized things that he couldn't too, but I guess they all are diminished and we only need see the interviews of the 3D animators that brought Hulk to life.

Or Iron Man's Robert Downy Jr. When he's in the suit, after all, you can't tell who it is, so he's not important...

Hell, remove the 3D element and just compare this to any live action performance. Because Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen played Obi-Wan and Anakin, respectively, doesn't matter a hill of beans, because they had stuntment now and then step in for them. Like Ludington here, they did most of their stunts on greenscreen, not mocap, but it's the same principle. Wires were used to pull them around in spots, and that's about what Ludington has stated they did to her, tying ropes around her and pulling her about. Sounds like wirework is what she's describing. But, these actors hired to play their parts now mean nothing at all, since others were also used, and CGI was used to further enhance their moves on screen. Best not even dare interview them...

The others that they've had do mocap for Lara and the other actors for their roles in this game are only used to get certain moves, like stuntmen that are hired for live action actors when they can't do all of their moves. Camilla did most of her stunts, as well as the entire cutscene performance actor-to-actor. She was hired to play Lara in every aspect and so she is Lara this time around. It's not hype, or the current "hot topic." If it is seen as such to have her in an interview, than it also is for any actor playing any role in any film, game, or cartoon, and especially one that's been enhanced by CGI to be something other than they are physically, or with make-up. That puts a big damper on Robert Englund playing Freddy Kruger all of those years, as that was due only to the makeup artist and not him, right? The director and crew made the movie, so just leave him out of any appearance. After all, it's just a bunch of hype going to see him at a convention, or in an interview...

It sounds more to me like you had a knee-jerk reaction to this all without thinking it through entirely.

[a big house]

Even though your sarcasm did hurt me a little inside, cause you know, your taking the piss out of my opinion and all. I agree with what you said.
Except I'm not saying the main actor should be pushed aside for the '3D animators' or 'stuntmen' in your examples, I'm saying they should share the limelight equally.

I don't even see why your arguing with me, I only agreed with someone else's opinion. I think it's quite rude that I'm having to justify that.

[The Hylden]

My post wasn't meant to be sarcastic, or hurtful.

Perhaps it's the length of my post, or the amount of examples I used? I do that to back up what I saying in debates. It's nothing personal against you. I like to be thorough.

Edit:
A Big House, looking at this, I am guessing that it was the number of examples I used to drive home the point that probably made you feel I was really trying to tear down your point utterly. There was sarcasm in showing the examples, how to me it would be if the same thing were to be said about those that starred in these other projects. That wasn't meant to be a bullying level of sarcasm, something to tear down your worth as a poster.

I was replying to you like I would anyone else in this thread, and have been. I am sorry that you felt I was really driving the hammer your way. I absolutely also do not want you to feel that you're being badgered into not posting. That's why I said you're free to post and comment on anyones' post here in a thread, as others are to reply to you. I don't think this is as clear as I meant it to be last night, either.

Until you, or anyone, feels that someone is directly attacking you, or that you become offended. in this case, that was never my intention, so I feel it's a shame that I made you feel this way and wanted to make this clearer than my reply last night.

[Driber]

@a big house: While TH's post did contain some sarcasm, I think it wasn't anything to really get upset about. You know, there is sarcasm and then there is SARCASM. Not trying to tell you how you should feel; just explaining that I viewed his post as pretty mild.

Like TH pointed out, as this is a public forum, it is meant for debate by any member. All are free to chime in on any post, such is the nature of internet forums.

Yes, it was me who asked you to clarify why you seem to have a problem with Camilla being in the spotlight these past days. I asked because you didn't say much besides "she shouldn't be", which I found strange, considering that the purpose of SDCC is having interviews with.......(voice) actors

At no point did any of us pressure you into "justifying your opinion", as you put it. If you don't feel like explaining to us why you have a problem with Camilla being in the spotlight, then don't. No problem

I was just curious about why one of our long time forum members suddenly seemed to get very negative lately and began to leave brief, negative comments without really explaining the reasons behind it.

Not saying that you cannot post negative comments here, but why bother telling us that you don't like something without telling us why you don't like it

Anyway, if you feel like discussing it further - which is of course totally up to you - here are a couple of things that stood out to me in your last few posts:




First you wrote that you like Camilla's voice acting. But then you made a rather cynical remark about her "just standing in a recording both and moaning for a while". That doesn't add up for me...



You also seemed to be complaining about the devs not getting as much attention as Camilla. This I also find strange, because for example an animator is more of a behind-the-scenes kind of person and (voice) actresses are generally considered the "stars" which the public wants to see, so it is only natural that one gets more attention than the other.

Camilla, Karl, Meagan, etc are doing the type of work that gets you into conventions, expos, on TV, etc. Animators, texture designers, level designers, they simply do not pull the same level of interest from the general public.

Now, you and I are long time TR fans. We actually want to see folks like Alex Wilmer, Noah Hughes, etc and what they do on the game. But like it or not, we are a small audience and we'll be lucky if we see them in the odd behind-the-scenes featurette or podcast.

I take this as normal. It's how the game bizz (and movie bizz, and TV bizz, etc) works.



Finally, you mentioned that Camilla nor Rhianna "make" the game. I have to disagree with this. Anyone who is actively involved with shaping the game is in fact making the game.

Without a VA, there would be no game. Without a writer, there would be no game.

Both of these people are quite crucial in the creation of the game, so I find it odd that you seem to consider their role as so much less important than for example a level designer or an animator.

"Making" a game is not just sitting behind a desk typing in bits of code for the engine. Nor is it just sitting behind a drawing table sketching out the environments.

[Angelo1989]

hey,
whos playing lara croft now in this game. ( the model i mean ) Alison Carroll or Camillia Luddington.
I heard and read it was Alison Carroll at first. but know i read on the news its gonna be Camilla Luddington. or is she only the voice ?

in the official trailer its Alison Carroll right ?

[The Hylden]

Camilla Luddington is both the model and voice. She was captured, along with the actors for the rest of the roles, acting out the story physically together. They had wide screen tvs in the room showing her that the mocap of her was instantly translated to the character model in the game. Only for a few added moves were any other individuals mocaped for Lara, including some of the animators. Most of it you'll see in the game, however, is her. It's also her in all of the trailers.

[Driber]

Perhaps it should be clarified that Camilla is not a promo model, but the VA and mocap artist

Allison was the last model and there currently is none.

[kadosho]

Just loving the coverage in regards to the new Lara (Cam) will deliver. There is no doubt she is a strong performer, plus the teaser revealed how much of her heart was put into the project. (plus my buddy Zac did an awesome job hosting this new special)

[d1n0_xD]

^ Wait, are you saying there's a new Final Hours episode?

[Driber]

A couple of months have passed, there have been a lot more new footage since, and some of you have even played the demo yourselves now.

So I'm curious if anyone has changed their opinion on Lara's new voice since August?

[hiropon056]

I never had problems with her voice itself like some ppl said she doesn't sound british because for me there is no difference between british, american or whatever...
But while playing the demo i really noticed that there is too much moaning, girly screams and comment on stuff from Lara herself and it's kinda annoying i think. And that's why I even took off the headphones while playing the demo the second time

and i really wonder how this will sound in the dubbings of the other languages and voice actors

[TranceTrouble]

Originally Posted by hiropon056

I never had problems with her voice itself like some ppl said she doesn't sound british because for me there is no difference between british, american or whatever...
But while playing the demo i really noticed that there is too much moaning, girly screams and comment on stuff from Lara herself and it's kinda annoying i think. And that's why I even took off the headphones while playing the demo the second time

and i really wonder how this will sound in the dubbings of the other languages and voice actors

i was curious about that moaning in the demo since i thought in the first gameplay video i thought it was to much. since you say it is still a lot of moaning in the demo i hope that it isn't that much in the real game. although i never have a problem with a moan from time to time

[pidipidi39]

Originally Posted by hiropon056

I never had problems with her voice itself like some ppl said she doesn't sound british because for me there is no difference between british, american or whatever...
But while playing the demo i really noticed that there is too much moaning, girly screams and comment on stuff from Lara herself and it's kinda annoying i think. And that's why I even took off the headphones while playing the demo the second time

and i really wonder how this will sound in the dubbings of the other languages and voice actors

am i the only that didn't have any problem with Lara's voice? i mean... never? Ok, she moans a lot, of course i can't not notice that, but... it really doesn't bother me at all i find it realistic and well done
And to answer to your question:

some ''very funny people'' - and putting the '' i mean not funny AT ALL - say that for the other languages the voice of Lara will be a porn actress how much funny are they?

[d1n0_xD]

I love that she comments on stuff, I like getting feedback during gameplay from characters and not just during cutscenes

[HypeorDie]

Look!! It's Lara!!
She's beautiful!










See the similarities?


Lol.. don't blame me if your wife/girlfriend catches you looking at these pics

[HypeorDie]

Now I can appreciate the moans and groans in this game a LOT more! Lmao.

[Delty335]

Wow, really guys? A thread already got closed because people couldn't be Gentlemen, lets not make this another one.

[ChaosTheoryV2X]

Protip: Watch Californication (earlier seasons)

[Salah-ad Din]

She is the actor in terms of motion capturing and she's the voice of Lara, but I think she looks nothing like the ingame model, unless you use simple terms to describe the resemblance. Yes, both have a nose, two eyes, brown hair.

[TheManInTheAlley]

Originally Posted by Salah-ad Din

She is the actor in terms of motion capturing and she's the voice of Lara, but I think she looks nothing like the ingame model, unless you use simple terms to describe the resemblance. Yes, both have a nose, two eyes, brown hair.

I've got to agree with this whole-heartedly. If she reminds me of anyone, it's a passing resemblance to Jennifer Lawrence.

[Driber]

Originally Posted by Delty335

Wow, really guys? A thread already got closed because people couldn't be Gentlemen, lets not make this another one.

The OP of HypeorDie's previous thread was disrespectful; this one is okay.

That said, I'm merging this with the official VA thread.

Originally Posted by Salah-ad Din

She is the actor in terms of motion capturing and she's the voice of Lara, but I think she looks nothing like the ingame model, unless you use simple terms to describe the resemblance. Yes, both have a nose, two eyes, brown hair.

HypeorDie compared Camilla to TR9's CGI Lara, not the in-game model

I can see how the CGI version looks similar to Camilla.