Dishonored (What DE:HR should have been?)

[SDF121]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...rdery-you-are/

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by KingNL

It's looking to be a good game but I honestly cannot see how it is going to be better than DXHR, it looks way too arcadey and the AI seems dumb as hell

I don't know about any of that, but the mere fact Dishonored has no social gameplay means it'll never truly compete in my eyes.

I'm excited for it, don't get me wrong. But any game that builds an interesting world and doesn't let you interact with its citizens on a social level I see as a major cop-out. When I see folk walking around, I want to be able to talk to them, goddamnit!

[KingNL]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

I don't know about any of that, but the mere fact Dishonored has no social gameplay means it'll never truly compete in my eyes.

I'm excited for it, don't get me wrong. But any game that builds an interesting world and doesn't let you interact with its citizens on a social level I see as a major cop-out. When I see folk walking around, I want to be able to talk to them, goddamnit!

Me too and I hate the fact that most modern games don't allow that...

[Jerion]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

I don't know about any of that, but the mere fact Dishonored has no social gameplay means it'll never truly compete in my eyes.

I'm excited for it, don't get me wrong. But any game that builds an interesting world and doesn't let you interact with its citizens on a social level I see as a major cop-out. When I see folk walking around, I want to be able to talk to them, goddamnit!

Being able to just talk to random people has always helped to ground me in a locale. It did that in DX1&3 (never got too far into IWar, so leaving it out), it did that in all three Mass Effects. Emergent stealth and combat? All for that. I just...a lack of social gameplay makes the world seem all that further away from my grasp.

[SDF121]

I had assumed that you would be able to speak to certain characters throughout the game. For example, they've already said that you can take out the Pendleton Twins by working out a deal with another crime boss if you find him and complete a series of tasks for him. All we've seen thus far are segments from a particular mission where everyone present is hostile towards your character.

Can anyone confirm/deny if there is any social aspect to Dishonored? If not, then that will be somewhat disappointing.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by SDF121

I had assumed that you would be able to speak to certain characters throughout the game. For example, they've already said that you can take out the Pendleton Twins by working out a deal with another crime boss if you find him and complete a series of tasks for him. All we've seen thus far are segments from a particular mission where everyone present is hostile towards your character.

Can anyone confirm/deny if there is any social aspect to Dishonored? If not, then that will be somewhat disappointing.

I've posted some on the Dishonored forums, and last I heard, there would not be anything that could really be called social. Some folk will speak at you in order to give missions and such, but you won't be able to prompt random conversation.

Unless they've changed their mind in recent months. Maybe my impassioned cries have moved their heart.

[m G h m u o s]

Well we've only seen mission stuff so far. I know theres a hub where you have allies who help you. I'll be damned surprised if you can't talk to any NPCs whatsoever, but not so much if you can't talk to neutral NPCs you find in the mission areas, like the whores in that gameplay vid.

[kud13]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

I've posted some on the Dishonored forums, and last I heard, there would not be anything that could really be called social. Some folk will speak at you in order to give missions and such, but you won't be able to prompt random conversation.

Unless they've changed their mind in recent months. Maybe my impassioned cries have moved their heart.

point to remember--you're playing a Dishonored, (and wanted man), who is accused of assassinating a (from what I gather) universally beloved empress, whom you were supposed to be protecting. Oh, and you wear a skull mask. I can see how that may make conversing with randoms somewhat difficult.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by kud13

point to remember--you're playing a Dishonored, (and wanted man), who is accused of assassinating a (from what I gather) universally beloved empress, whom you were supposed to be protecting. Oh, and you wear a skull mask. I can see how that may make conversing with randoms somewhat difficult.

You can construct a scenario to excuse anything. Doesn't mean the game wouldn't be much better if you played as an actual person who was connected to the world in a broader, more realistic way. Playing as a faceless, voiceless wraith who cannot participate in the world on any social level has me feeling dissatisfied right out the gate. That sort of impenetrable isolation is not a pleasant way to experience a new, populated environment.

[Shralla]

I like social gameplay as much as the next guy, but I disagree that any game with a rich world needs to have it. The structure of the story seems as thought it's going in a more Half-Life direction, which I don't have a problem with. I enjoy the way the story is told through chance encounters and the environment moreso than dialogue.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Shralla

I like social gameplay as much as the next guy, but I disagree that any game with a rich world needs to have it. The structure of the story seems as thought it's going in a more Half-Life direction, which I don't have a problem with. I enjoy the way the story is told through chance encounters and the environment moreso than dialogue.

In Half-Life you can walk up to anyone and encourage them to talk directly to you. In Half-Life2 the whole world comes to know you as the famous Gordon Freeman, and they all speak to you on a personal level, making the player feel a powerful connection to the world.

[KingNL]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

I've posted some on the Dishonored forums, and last I heard, there would not be anything that could really be called social. Some folk will speak at you in order to give missions and such, but you won't be able to prompt random conversation.

Unless they've changed their mind in recent months. Maybe my impassioned cries have moved their heart.

So disappointed by this..

[Ashpolt]

Originally Posted by KingNL

So disappointed by this..

Yeah, it's a shame. But to be honest, the meat of the actual gameplay looks so good that I can overlook the lack of social options.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Ashpolt

Yeah, it's a shame. But to be honest, the meat of the actual gameplay looks so good that I can overlook the lack of social options.

This.

The stealth and infiltration looks king-hell awesome!

[Shralla]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

In Half-Life you can walk up to anyone and encourage them to talk directly to you. In Half-Life2 the whole world comes to know you as the famous Gordon Freeman, and they all speak to you on a personal level, making the player feel a powerful connection to the world.

Anyone that isn't hostile, sure. But that's exactly how it's going to work in Dishonored. It's not like Corvo is some great unknown. People will know he escaped from prison, and some of those people will put two and two together in regards to the vengeful night prowler. Aside from that, we know he's going to have allies helping him out and that he's going to be able to get side missions from people, who will presumably know who he is as well.

And also the developers have said

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/137...#entry21110471

"Yes the HUB is a real place in which you can visit and talk with NPCs, some of them give you side quests. You might also find some cool stuff story-related or gameplay-related if you take the time to explore a bit!"

And then there's this, in which he talks about how you sometimes have an option to remove the mask and communicate with people.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUIIfYmoDiA#t=3m0s

[Pinky_Powers]

That's cool. They didn't have any of that information last time I visited their forums. I knew about the HUB, though it was previously described as little more than a place to pick up your mission intel.

[SDF121]

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/...ex-arx-fatalis

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by SDF121

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/...ex-arx-fatalis

Excellent read! Thanks for posting!

[JCpie]

I want to play Technosaur :'(

[Jerion]

Originally Posted by JCpie

I want to play Technosaur :'(

Are you kidding? I want to play the Crossing.

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally Posted by Jerion

Are you kidding? I want to play the Crossing.

Dinosaurs with Rocket Launchers > No Dinosaurs with Rocket Launchers

[JCpie]

That's why I'm not buying Battlefield 3. The dinosaur mode was a hoax.

[SDF121]

Hooray for customizable UI's!

http://www.bethblog.com/2012/07/13/a...ns/#more-19346

[Ashpolt]

Originally Posted by Pinky_Powers

Dinosaurs with Rocket Launchers > No Dinosaurs with Rocket Launchers

The truest post ever made on this or any other forum.

[VectorM]

Originally Posted by JCpie

They said that Syndicate was what Human Revolution should have been.

And who exactly was saying that, ever? I did hear A LOT of (stupid) people say that Syndicate ripped off DX:HR, though.

And I am definitely looking forward to this, but I remain highly skeptical. This isn't the first time Adam Smith has impressed people with his pre-release hype. The stuff he was talking about prior to IW and that ty FPS he worked on sounded pretty awesome as well.