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Old 06-11-2012, 03:40 PM
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Default In Absolution, 47 might not actually be 47 (plot twist idea)

Here's the end of Hitman Blood Money to give you a better picture of latest events in Hitman:



I'm putting this out there mostly in case IO hasn't thought of it already.

I'm thinking that IO could be massively trolling us along with Bateson and that Bateson will actually assume some role in the game, likely voicing the "real" 47.

Let me explain. My theory is that this new 47 (and possibly Diana) is simply a clone imprinted with the memories of the real 47.

As for the real 47's role in all of it, he could be the new head of ICA, or he and Diana were in it together which is more likely. Considering Diana and 47 were the only one's left of ICA in the first game, this seems likely.

From there I have two other theories;

There was a coup in the newly reformed agency and 47 and Diana lost their high status, 47 fleeing and Diana being allowed to stay so long as she did what she was told (either that or Diana isn't actually Diana either). In this case Diana and 47 remain the protagonists. The "new" 47 will end up meeting them somewhere in the game.

The other theory is that 47 is the mastermind behind everything and has assumed total control over the agency. He has since lost his compassion for Diana and has passed the order along to "47" to terminate her, because she has been plotting against the agency. So in this case, 47 becomes somewhat of a "Big Boss" and "47" a "Solid Snake", 47 being an antagonist unlike above.

Another theory might be that 47 is actually dead.

As for the reasons for the head of ICA creating a fake 47, I'm not sure.

Also IO, if you're listening, 47 needs to have a more convincing motive for killing Diana. It makes no sense that 47 would just kill the only person that he values in the world just because the damn agency told him to. The ICA may have indoctrinated him, it may have trained him and rewarded him, but it cannot control 47's mind and 47 is no naive child. Also, if 47 is so foolish as to kill Diana just for money or just because he was told, the fact that he goes rogue after that is contradictory.

Hopefully it's shown that the ICA has lied to him or otherwise manipulated 47 in a way that makes sense for him to end up killing Diana.

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Old 06-11-2012, 03:51 PM
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Interesting theory but if the new "47" is an identical clone why would there voices be different?
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:11 PM
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Well 47s other clones don't sound like him. Also 47's face "new" face isn't exactly identical to the old model based on Bateson.

Also, remember what Bateson said regarding his "unceremonius" drop from the role?

"I cannot comment further for legal reasons"

I could be wrong, but I think the only thing keeping him from talking would be that he is under contract with IO, as nothing else can legally prevent someone from speaking that I can think of. And come to think of it, he was confirmed for casting 47 a while ago, its beyond strange and therefore unlikely that Bateson wouldnt at least get a simple email if the casting was changed as he claims.

I'm more convinced than ever that this is why IO and Bateson are keeping totally quiet. If they were serious, they'd probably be talking more openly about it because if their intention was'nt to completely ignore their most loyal and longest established fans they would'nt have made the difference of casting in the first place.

I hope desperately that I'm right.

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Old 06-11-2012, 08:37 PM
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i agree.. i think there may be some plot twists with some clones and stuufff too...

my thing is... would 47 really just cut off his barcode like that??? what would make him do it??? cauuusee now for the rest of the series 47 just has an f'd up barcode on the back of his head?!

also this whole thing with bateson.. who knows what will happen... it would be awesome to still have him.. and IO might be hiding something with that... but also they may not be... its wild...

plus '47' does look a bit different... but that could be the new graphics/style..

a lot is still up in the air... november.. i don't even know what i am going to be for halloween yet :/ and no my gf will not let me be 47 fyi
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:28 AM
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i agree.. i think there may be some plot twists with some clones and stuufff too...

my thing is... would 47 really just cut off his barcode like that??? what would make him do it??? cauuusee now for the rest of the series 47 just has an f'd up barcode on the back of his head?!

also this whole thing with bateson.. who knows what will happen... it would be awesome to still have him.. and IO might be hiding something with that... but also they may not be... its wild...

plus '47' does look a bit different... but that could be the new graphics/style..

a lot is still up in the air... november.. i don't even know what i am going to be for halloween yet :/ and no my gf will not let me be 47 fyi
Maybe there's a tracking device beneath the barcode that 47 cuts out...?
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Hmmm... interesting ....
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:36 PM
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Interesting theory.
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Meanwhile, 47 is seen at a business engaging in conversation with a traditionally-dressed Chinese man. They discuss a service that can be found 'in the back'. The story ends with a set of curtains closing on the two.
I would like to point out this part of the story recap you included in your OP. Notice the chinese man. Notice that this is towards the end of the game. Since this happened directly at the end, it was more than likely foreshadowing the events of the next.

I would say there's a fair chance (if your theory is anywhere near correct) that 47 made a clone of himself and went into hiding after imprinting his memories on his clone.

First, the cloning project originated in Indochina, and the guy's chinese (making him asian). Second, 47 doesnt need weapons or money, or information, as he has all of those things and more. So the more likely theory is that the "service in the back" wasn't just your everyday thing. 47 had himself replaced with an identical clone, an impersonator of himself.

Why would 47 want to replace himself with a clone? He wanted to get off the radar of the agency of course, because he knows all about their plans.

Oh yes... this theory is much more believable now. Also, Bateson said
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I really appreciate it and I only hope for your sakes, Hitman Absolution lives up to all our expectations. I am sure it will.
This might be a further forshadowing that Bateson knows Absolution will be good because he is involved in it still.

Anyways, I think it might just be in the way of overthinking things. Usually assuming the worst turns out to be the most accurate prediction when skeptical about things.

I made a thread that explains exactly why Bateson was dropped from Absolution. It's not even really a theory, it's pretty much fact. It's because of Giant Studios. Go check it.

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Maybe there's a tracking device beneath the barcode that 47 cuts out...?
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Could someone please elaborate on this more? What do you guys think about the theory?
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they could have cloned diana and 47 - which would be a good reason for the agency to want to kill her....
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:38 AM
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I don't want to kill your speculation too much but there is only one 47.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:16 AM
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I can only hope that you are vaguely hinting that I'm somewhat correct. I understand that might be wishful thinking.

I asked an 8 ball if Bateson would play some role in Absolution... yeah I'm that desperate.

In case you're wondering, the 8 ball said yes.
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I'm not hinting. There is no 'fake' 47, only the 'real' 47.
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I'm not hinting. There is no 'fake' 47, only the 'real' 47.
So much for the theory.
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The story of this series is really unconnected medley after the events of Hitman Codename 47 but if you want to find a double, you should not search a copy but the original.
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I'm not hinting. There is no 'fake' 47, only the 'real' 47.
Could I interpret that as meaning "47" could possibly not be 47 clone and instead a new kind of clone?

It's not looking so good for my theory.

If it turns out that I was completely wrong and Bateson plays no role in Absolution... that really blows. In case you haven't heard me say so before, there was no good reason for dropping Bateson in place of Timothy Olyphant (I assume such because he looks and sounds a great deal like him in what cinematics we've seen).

At this point I can only wish what I'm about to write is even a tad bit accurate.

Another theory that might work is that the real 47 is being hunted by a new kind of clone (not a clone of himself) and that he is voiced by Bateson to alleviate troubled fans like myself. So while it doesn't provide a logical explanation for why 47 looks and sounds nothing like what he should, as said it would help alleviate the sting of this new voice actor a bit.
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Could I interpret that as meaning "47" could possibly not be 47 clone and instead a new kind of clone?

It's not looking so good for my theory.

If it turns out that I was completely wrong and Bateson plays no role in Absolution... that really blows. In case you haven't heard me say so before, there was no good reason for dropping Bateson in place of Timothy Olyphant (I assume such because he looks and sounds a great deal like him in what cinematics we've seen).

At this point I can only wish what I'm about to write is even a tad bit accurate.

Another theory that might work is that the real 47 is being hunted by a new kind of clone (not a clone of himself) and that he is voiced by Bateson to alleviate troubled fans like myself. So while it doesn't provide a logical explanation for why 47 looks and sounds nothing like what he should, as said it would help alleviate the sting of this new voice actor a bit.
For heaven sake all this theory regarding a Clone will feature Absolution is absolutely total garbage, and yes your theory is totally wrong. Like what Travis said there is only one 47 so that ends this theory. Anyway why would there be a Hitman game without 47 anyway? It wouldn't make any sense.

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Old 07-12-2012, 01:41 PM
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Played through Sniper Challenge due to getting a preorder I plan on cancelling.

There are easter eggs present for some of you who don't know. I think Mr. X could possibly be Bateson.
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Could I interpret that as meaning "47" could possibly not be 47 clone and instead a new kind of clone?

It's not looking so good for my theory.

If it turns out that I was completely wrong and Bateson plays no role in Absolution... that really blows. In case you haven't heard me say so before, there was no good reason for dropping Bateson in place of Timothy Olyphant (I assume such because he looks and sounds a great deal like him in what cinematics we've seen).

At this point I can only wish what I'm about to write is even a tad bit accurate.

Another theory that might work is that the real 47 is being hunted by a new kind of clone (not a clone of himself) and that he is voiced by Bateson to alleviate troubled fans like myself. So while it doesn't provide a logical explanation for why 47 looks and sounds nothing like what he should, as said it would help alleviate the sting of this new voice actor a bit.
The new voice actor is not Timothy Olyphant as he has (at least to me) a very distinctive/ recognizable voice. I heard the new voice actor and it is definitely not Olyphant. Would be nice, I really like that guy.

Also you are really grasping at straws arent you? There is only 47, that is it. You always play as 47. Sniper Challenge is set before 47 left the ICA as the chick that is talking to him is Diana. You play as 47 in Sniper Challenge and you play as 47 in Absolution.
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Played through Sniper Challenge due to getting a preorder I plan on cancelling.

There are easter eggs present for some of you who don't know. I think Mr. X could possibly be Bateson.
No, Mr. X is not 47 .

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Could I interpret that as meaning "47" could possibly not be 47 clone and instead a new kind of clone?

It's not looking so good for my theory.

If it turns out that I was completely wrong and Bateson plays no role in Absolution... that really blows. In case you haven't heard me say so before, there was no good reason for dropping Bateson in place of Timothy Olyphant (I assume such because he looks and sounds a great deal like him in what cinematics we've seen).

At this point I can only wish what I'm about to write is even a tad bit accurate.

Another theory that might work is that the real 47 is being hunted by a new kind of clone (not a clone of himself) and that he is voiced by Bateson to alleviate troubled fans like myself. So while it doesn't provide a logical explanation for why 47 looks and sounds nothing like what he should, as said it would help alleviate the sting of this new voice actor a bit.
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The story of this series is really unconnected medley after the events of Hitman Codename 47 but if you want to find a double, you should not search a copy but the original.
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it's threads like this that make me wish codename 47 was released on consoles at the time too, as poor to the pc version that they maybe. that way people would be more exposed to the finale and get 'it'. The only great thing about absolution that comes out so far in terms of 47 is he will forever have a scar across his barcode making him instantly identifiable to us in the future.
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