Crouching Taffer hidden Garrett

[darkmagicasorseer]

Hey guys, wanna ask a silly question here . Do you move quieter if you are in a crouching position? In real life that is. I tested it, it didn't work, I make a lot of noise. So whats your opinion guys?

[fayfuya]

WOW DUDE THAT'S GREAT POINT, I never noticed that ion PC games! I think that the crouch just move into...sneak mode....that you are just a bit lower, you lower you knees, and a bit your back, this way you are ready and charged to strike, jump, escape....and not a base-standing like you are walking in the streets...then, just lowering your kness and back a little, that's how it should be.

[Albi]

lol, you must be crouching wrong then becuase the idea is that you cushion your footsteps which is much harder to do standing upright. just try it, crouching doesnt mean kneeling just try and cushion ur footsteps as much as u can and ull instinctively lower yourself.

[jtr7]

This is more about lowering all the way down so the hands can rest on the floor, I believe. Crouching in Thief means lowering way down, not the TDS slinking look.


In real life, you better have the right clothing, shoes, flexibility, and muscle development. Lots of training can make it possible. For me, my knees and ankles always crack (not uncomfortably, just uncomfortably loud) every couple of steps, especially if I'm creeping. I discovered the realities of crouching and moving simultaneously when sneaking out of the house at night as a teenager. In the games, what is really happening has nothing to do with crouching but the fact you are moving slower. The speed of your locomotion is what makes it louder or quieter in-game. Crouching changes the speed factor. Having shorter feet and footwear that is very flexible at the ankle, with flexibility of the ankle joint and strong shin muscles, the shuffling, toe-scraping, and high knee-raising movements can be reduced, making it quieter. It would take a skinny person with loose clothing to increase the stamina of sustaining this position, as the circulation is slowed from knees to toes, causing the calves and feet to fall asleep, and the thighs to tire and all get that rubbery unsteadiness. Placing the hands on the ground in front of you can allow you to take some weight off the legs and restore blood-flow, but doesn't effectively reduce the restrictions on this kind of movement, and requires lifting the legs higher (actually a little easier for the legs, but harder on the upper-bpdy, and causing blood rush to the head) to keep the feet off the floor when moving a leg forward. The posture of a typical crouching walk presses on the abdomen and restricts the diaphragm, as well as affects blood-flow, so breathing is harder. A lot of this doesn't matter for gameplay.

[Hypevosa]

I've also found that I can move quickly and make less noise than someone who's walking. I use the ball of my foot to "sneak run", instead of my heel like I do normally, and it allows me to increase the time my foot's energy is allowed to transfer to the ground, meaning that the force of my foot's impact is lessened, meaning less noise. I've snuck up on alot of people this way, it's fun Just added for fun - I agree with the "entering sneak mode" idea though. Moving slower doesn't inherently decrease your noise - I can lumber accross a floor and easily make a good deal of noise, but if I focus on being sneaky - as I've illuminated already - I can actually move fast and still be quiet about it.

[Davehall380]

Very good point. I still think that within Thief its best to have crouching as slower than walking (but with greater concealment) to balance out the game. Running and walking on most surfaces makes little to no noise, whilst crouching quite often makes this even greater. Good ideas though.

[fayfuya]

Guys your'e forgetting something, sneaking is not only about moving quietly, it's also about....staying out of the sight and keep the attention of people away from you...I don't know the exact words for this , but when we sneak we have to...try not to beeing seen there, so crouching, means less height, people usually look a bit high, they don't look to the ground, so crouching may be useful.
I've been trying to "backstab" my elder brother while not crouching, i walked normally but questly, and he could see me a bit from the side-side of his eyes, so crouching may help to stay away from the attention.
What do you think?

[jtr7]

That's another subject. This is about crouching and walking, not stealth overall. We didn't forget it, we're staying on topic.

[darkmagicasorseer]

I think moving in all four is the quietest, even thou you can't use any weapon (if you are breaking into a house) it gives you stability and maximum silence. In addition, you can also recover quickly into upright position to run or sprint if you get caught.

[imperialreign]

that would bring up the idea of going prone as well . . . which, quite frankly, wouldn't be a good idea for moving around stealthfully - you'd make way too much noise; the sound of cloth "dragging" across the ground, any metal objects being on the ground . . .

although, prone defi does make for greatly reducing visibility, too - you wouldn't cast as long of a shadow (if you're in a semi-lite area), and would be able to easily "hide" behind some rather unconventional items (small tables, under tables, behind sofas, etc.)

[jtr7]

Another plus is that a prone position would enforce the need for AIs to attack downward effectively for once. And that reminds me that we need a return of being able to attack downward intuitively again.

[Secondary]

if your asking about game mechanics, yes, you move more quietly while you are crouching (last time i checked)


if your asking if it works in real life i can say yes and no

moving quietly while crouching requires you to have tremendoues thigh strength (like being able to do the "invisible chair" for an hour), and above all you need patience, you can move quietly while crouching but you must move extremely slowly, videogames do not properly portray how fast a sneaky person moves

[darkmagicasorseer]

Originally Posted by jtr7

Another plus is that a prone position would enforce the need for AIs to attack downward effectively for once. And that reminds me that we need a return of being able to attack downward intuitively again.

If you get caught by a city guard in a prone position, then it is "coup de grace" instant kill, regardless of your health since you're in a very vulnerable position.

[darkmagicasorseer]

Originally Posted by Secondary

if your asking about game mechanics, yes, you move more quietly while you are crouching (last time i checked)


if your asking if it works in real life i can say yes and no

moving quietly while crouching requires you to have tremendoues thigh strength (like being able to do the "invisible chair" for an hour), and above all you need patience, you can move quietly while crouching but you must move extremely slowly, videogames do not properly portray how fast a sneaky person moves

Yes it is true, physical fitness is the main element to determine a successful taffer and a dead taffer...

[jtr7]

Garrett's training must be similar to that of a modern day firefighter.

[kabatta]

Sneaking is kind of hard. My knees allso crack. From what I know (except the thief stealth experience) is that you have to be slender to hide in areas a person will normally will not look at while passing by. The crounching position is best made behind a voluminous object e.x. couch, office and so on. My choice of moving with stealth is using the tip of my feet in a silently way easily redistributing the weight of my body in a manner that my clothes won't make the specific fabric sound. Breathing is allso important(for this i'm not getting into details for obvious reasons). Allso, in order to sneak to take a person by surprise you must watch the suble body language to see what action comes next.
Oh, the joy of sneaking just to give somebody a panic attack. Personally I just hide behind a door to pop out and grab the wrist. >

[kabatta]

Oh, well...maybe I'm too old for sneaking around the house. (too lazy to edit, must double post)