Joel Schumacher could have made a decent Batman film. - Page 2

stoobytoons · #26 06-08-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Drazar

Killer croc is easy, you just make him a skin diseased man like in Joker he was, heres a couple of examples:
Heres one, another and the last.

Now Clayface can be harder thing, but thats the beaty of hyper realism that you just need to make it believable. Just like Batman TAS made things believeable such as Mr. Freeze and so forth. I can't recall much of Clayface's backgroudn as theres like a dozen of them, i just remember the TAS one but i should check for the other ones and see if theres more possible origin tales there that can be hyper realisimized.

See, I always thought that using Matt Hagan would work if he was more of a disguise expert that made hits for the mob. "Clayface" would be more of a nickname than anything to resemble a shape-shifter.

The Hylden · #27 06-09-2009, 12:17 AM

Either could make either work, if they wanted to. That's what has been shown through both franchises. I love them both. It's not realism nonsense in the Nolan films, either. It's just plain brutal in your face, this is how it is. I dare say that Two-Face is still a bit out of bounds, even though he's in the "hyper-realism" of Nolan's universe. No man alive can live long with most of his not only skin, but his muscle down to the very bone, on the left side of his face burnt away. The brain would die, from lack of oxygen from the blood vessels, and most likely, he'd be infected by a myriad of germs from the lack of skin covering the lack of muscle tissue. Not to mention, that even IF he were to have survived, the pain from any surviving nerve endings would unbearable and you talk about an outlandish pain-fetish scene?? He downs a drink of scotch in the bar, half it goes down his burnt face. Alcohol + burnt flesh = OUCH??!! Some of it, sure, is attributable to the fact most of his nerves are brunt, along with his flesh, to the point science believes we cannot feel... I disagree.. The film disagrees too, saying Dent was in “agonizing pain” but “refused medication.”

Besides the “realism,” or not, again, either film maker could have made the franchise with just about any villain. Film is about imagination. You limit yourself when you say one "universe" can't incorporate the other. That's like saying comic books can't cross over to films in the first place. I can't wait for the first live action anime cross-over to shut the hell out of the morons who think it can't happen...

People who say "it can't" have most undoubtedly usually been proven wrong.

shadowmatt18 · #28 06-09-2009, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Drazar

Killer croc is easy, you just make him a skin diseased man like in Joker he was, heres a couple of examples:
Heres one, another and the last.

Now Clayface can be harder thing, but thats the beaty of hyper realism that you just need to make it believable. Just like Batman TAS made things believeable such as Mr. Freeze and so forth. I can't recall much of Clayface's backgroudn as theres like a dozen of them, i just remember the TAS one but i should check for the other ones and see if theres more possible origin tales there that can be hyper realisimized.

actually i think it would be easy to do clayface in a realistic world like Nolans. if Nolan wanted to do clayface, he could do black mask. Like black mask makes a mask made out of clay for clayface. i know it's sounds kinda silly but nolan likes to have it realistic with characters that don't need or rarely need CGI. he'd make clay face be like a serial killer and he's just wearing a mask made out of clay instead something like sandman when it comes to CGI. now croc would just be a guy the size of a wrestler but he just would have a skin disorder.

**Drazar** · #29 06-09-2009, 06:00 AM

Well i did some research on the Clayfaces and lets see:
Matt Hagen had a magical pool, doubt Nolan wants to use that.
Basil Karlo is an angry actor who wants revenge on people who wanted to reboot his movie.... yeah no thank you.
Preston Payne uses the matthew hagen's blood on a lab research and becomes the new Clayface, now this is something we can twist around into something believable.

NoMoarDedCawpz · #30 06-09-2009, 06:11 AM

What if Batman & Robin didnt fail?...
Joel Shoemaker was set to make a final Batman film called Batman Triumphant(yes...cool title eh).
It would of had Scarecrow, Harley Quinn and Jack Napier in some shape or form. The film was set to bring Batman 'full circle' by killing off Robin and Batgirl, and returning Batman to the darkness(As seen in Tim Burton's movies).

Jeff Goldblum(i know

) was rumored to play Dr. Crane/Scarecrow. Jack Nicholson was set to return as The Joker.

JS said there would be a scene where the Batmobile chases the scarecrow(on horse) through the woods outside Arkham(in reference to Sleepy Hollow).

I would probably sell my soul to have seen this made, But then we wouldnt have Batman Begins and TDK,,,or would we

CaptainMcMulla · #31 06-09-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMoarDedCawpz

What if Batman & Robin didnt fail?...
Joel Shoemaker was set to make a final Batman film called Batman Triumphant(yes...cool title eh).
It would of had Scarecrow, Harley Quinn and Jack Napier in some shape or form. The film was set to bring Batman 'full circle' by killing off Robin and Batgirl, and returning Batman to the darkness(As seen in Tim Burton's movies).

Jeff Goldblum(i know

) was rumored to play Dr. Crane/Scarecrow. Jack Nicholson was set to return as The Joker.

JS said there would be a scene where the Batmobile chases the scarecrow(on horse) through the woods outside Arkham(in reference to Sleepy Hollow).

I would probably sell my soul to have seen this made, But then we wouldnt have Batman Begins and TDK,,,or would we

I still wouldve thought that Batman Begins & TDk wouldve been made regardless of this. As it is Nolans take on Batman.

Ensanguined Walls · #32 06-09-2009, 06:57 AM

Batman Triumphant sounded very intriguing.

SirRoscoe · #33 06-09-2009, 06:40 PM

Well as the old saying goes..."coulda, woulda, shoulda..."

EliteF50 · #34 06-09-2009, 06:45 PM

I actually hope someone makes Batman Triumphant. It sounds amazing... maybe better than TDK.

**Drazar** · #35 06-10-2009, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteF50

I actually hope someone makes Batman Triumphant. It sounds amazing... maybe better than TDK.

Lol. Did you forget how horrible studio the movies were done in with those ridicilous statues everywhere, the poor script and horrible characterizations.

EliteF50 · #36 06-10-2009, 04:52 AM

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Lol. Did you forget how horrible studio the movies were done in with those ridicilous statues everywhere, the poor script and horrible characterizations.

I meant if someone made it now. Not back then.

The story sounded great. With the right cast and script, it could have easily out-done TDK.

**Drazar** · #37 06-10-2009, 05:05 AM

Doing it now would be just dumb since the Tim Burton series are done.

Sure you can speculate but its not going to happen after over 10 years of Burton's serie being dead thanks to Joel + Warner Brothers. ^^;

EliteF50 · #38 06-10-2009, 05:09 AM

It doesn't have to be a sequel to Burton's films, it could be a reboot. All they have to do is re-write some parts, like Harley Quinn taking revenge on Batman for her father's death.

**Drazar** · #39 06-10-2009, 05:20 AM

Depends. Harley Quinn being Joker's daughter? Please that ruins all her origin from a doctor gone nuts into... "oh its in my veins to be insane, what a clever origin lol" wanting revenge on someone murdering a homocidal murderer, heh.

Joker being Batman's biggest fear is also abit skeptical because why would he be scared of an dead person? Now Scarecrow could have been interesting but not as alone villain, but having Harley Quinn as Joker's daughter is just a slap in the face for Paul Dini and Bruce Timm.

NoMoarDedCawpz · #40 06-10-2009, 07:50 AM

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Depends. Harley Quinn being Joker's daughter? Please that ruins all her origin from a doctor gone nuts into... "

It was also going to be his wife.
And hey, Nolan changed Joker's origin...actually, he didnt give him one

Origins and backstories can be changed...
Its not uncommon.

**Drazar** · #41 06-10-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMoarDedCawpz

It was also going to be his wife.

It seems to vary from Wife to child from different sources.

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And hey, Nolan changed Joker's origin...actually, he didnt give him one

As Joker's past is ever changing. "If i'm going to have a past, i prefer multiple ones" - Joker from The Killing Joke. Thats where the whole "Know how i got these scars?" came from.

Amputechture · #42 06-10-2009, 08:16 AM

I like Nolan but he would tone it down a notch...IF it works that's fine though.
I mean, the more I get into comics, the more I am thinking less of The Dark Knight...It's still a fantastic film, and yes Drazar, Hyper-Realism. But not a great COMIC BOOK adaptation. It's more like a film ABOUT comic book characters. One things I still want to know is this:

In TDK, when he and Rachel were falling, why didn't he use the Grappling Hook? He just let them hit the car. In fact, he barely uses the hook...

NoMoarDedCawpz · #43 06-10-2009, 09:07 AM

Guillermo del Toro should do Batman Triumphant

nuff said

**Drazar** · #44 06-10-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputechture

In TDK, when he and Rachel were falling, why didn't he use the Grappling Hook? He just let them hit the car. In fact, he barely uses the hook...

With the speed they were going down trying to get the gliding cloak to ease the impact was probably the 1st thing he had, and hey it worked.

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Originally Posted by NoMoarDedCawpz

Guillermo del Toro should do Batman Triumphant

nuff said

Tskh why make Guillermo Del Toro do something that seems so mediocore when he could do something much more innotive.

Ryanodamonkey · #45 06-10-2009, 09:50 AM

First things first Batman & Robin was ridiculously made. It destroyed 2 great and one decent film before it and destroyed the characters of Mr.Freeze, Poison Ivy and pretty much the Wayne family. According to me, it never happened nuff said.

About the supernatural stuff, I think Nolan could do something supernatural. I feel that Killer Croc (actual crocodile version) is not that hard to make real especially with all the talk about scientists making hybrids with human DNA, scary I know

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I think that sometimes that Hollywood sometimes thinks that it's audience has no imagination or sense of of like 'that could possibly exist'. I feel that its the natural evolution of the Nolan Batman films to look beyond the more human villains and the mafia (Nolan's obsessed with them) and maybe make a film about the monsters within, since all of these modern films have a very strong message woven into them.

For me the next film in the series is this game!