Does Lara forget Thors hammer?

[Ants_27_]

I don't know if it is just me or not but it appears that lara forgets to pick up thors hammer? Right, during the cutscene when:

Lara Finds her mother, and after Amanda stops the doppleganger from killing Lara

She doesn't pick up thors hammer off the floor does she before going to stop the midgard serpent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9djhFsUmFE - I've only just noticed it

Look at 2:53 the hammers not on her back or is it?

P.S. Sorry if it has been posted before, ignore me if it has

[jayjay119]

Hey Ants, I don't think this has been posted before. You'll know it has from some users anyway. However back on topic, you're right about her not picking the hammer back up in the cut-scene. I noticed this a while back but we don't see her slide down the slope where she starts at after the cut-scene either. So i just took it for granted that she picked up the hammer and slid down the slope and we just didn't see it!

[Ants_27_]

Originally Posted by jayjay119

Hey Ants, I don't think this has been posted before. You'll know it has from some users anyway. However back on topic, you're right about her not picking the hammer back up in the cut-scene. I noticed this a while back but we don't see her slide down the slope where she starts at after the cut-scene either. So i just took it for granted that she picked up the hammer and slid down the slope and we just didn't see it!

True never thought of that. I only just noticed it to be honest and wasn't sure if it was just me or not

[LC is Me]

We don't have to watch her pick up the hammer in cutscene to know that she picked it up. You can just assume that if it was on her back afterwords...she picked it up.

[Greenas]

Originally Posted by Ants_27_

I don't know if it is just me or not but it appears that lara forgets to pick up thors hammer? Right, during the cutscene when:

Lara Finds her mother, and after Amanda stops the doppleganger from killing Lara

She doesn't pick up thors hammer off the floor does she before going to stop the midgard serpent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9djhFsUmFE - I've only just noticed it

Look at 2:53 the hammers not on her back or is it?

P.S. Sorry if it has been posted before, ignore me if it has

I noticed that too , it really bugs me . I've noticed that nowadays , movies and games have this flaw in common . I even saw a similar incident on the bucket list .

[carbint]

What I find even more stupid is that Lara spends the vast majority of the game seeking out these relics that she must wear so that she can physically touch and then wield Mjolnir, and then the DG just knocks it from her hand like a bit of wood. Makes Lara look a bit stupid, really.

Also, if Mjolnir is apparently, as Lara says, the "Slayer of Giants", why does it take three strikes to kill a Yeti Thrall? stupid, really. And also why does zapping Natla with Mjolnir not kill her? And how come Valgrind was so bleeding obvious to open if "Old is that gate, and how to unbolt it, few now know." And another point - if Valhalla is Odin's Hall, where the warriors came to feast before the final battle of ragnarok, where in God's name did they sit and eat? The place is teeming with thralls, and I wouldn't particularly want to come and eat my potentially final meal on a cold, dungeon floor. You'd want to eat at a long table, in a nice, well-lit room, wouldn't you. Was Odin poor? Could he not afford a nice Hall?

More tiny holes for me to pick: Where did Natla learn the ritual, why did she want the scion - it has nothing to do with Avalon at all - where did Natla enter from by the entrance to Helheim, why does the door to Helheim have Lara's mother (with half of her face destroyed too) on it, and what about the motorbike and the scuba tank that Lara left in the Arctic?

A huge flaw to me is when Lara and Amanda arrive in Nepal. If you look, before they both arrive, Excalibur is already there. On the ground, right at the bottom of the screen, there's Excalibur. But what's even more stupid is that it's on top of the ring when it's in the ground. So the ring has to pass through the sword! WTF?! And also, at the end of TRL, that monastery crumbles. How do they now leave? And how does Lara leave Jan Mayen Island? If you remember, she drives the bike through a tunnel and over a high ledge in the opening cutscene. Does the bike simply flutter back up? Very stupid and thinly written. Has anyone not noticed that the front door of her manor is BEHIND the staircase?! That's especially stupid. And obvious - how did they think we wouldn't notice?!

[Pulse]

Originally Posted by carbint

What I find even more stupid is that Lara spends the vast majority of the game seeking out these relics that she must wear so that she can physically touch and then wield Mjolnir, and then the DG just knocks it from her hand like a bit of wood. Makes Lara look a bit stupid, really.

Also, if Mjolnir is apparently, as Lara says, the "Slayer of Giants", why does it take three strikes to kill a Yeti Thrall? stupid, really. And also why does zapping Natla with Mjolnir not kill her? And how come Valgrind was so bleeding obvious to open if "Old is that gate, and how to unbolt it, few now know." And another point - if Valhalla is Odin's Hall, where the warriors came to feast before the final battle of ragnarok, where in God's name did they sit and eat? The place is teeming with thralls, and I wouldn't particularly want to come and eat my potentially final meal on a cold, dungeon floor. You'd want to eat at a long table, in a nice, well-lit room, wouldn't you. Was Odin poor? Could he not afford a nice Hall?

More tiny holes for me to pick: Where did Natla learn the ritual, why did she want the scion - it has nothing to do with Avalon at all - where did Natla enter from by the entrance to Helheim, why does the door to Helheim have Lara's mother (with half of her face destroyed too) on it, and what about the motorbike and the scuba tank that Lara left in the Arctic?

A huge flaw to me is when Lara and Amanda arrive in Nepal. If you look, before they both arrive, Excalibur is already there. On the ground, right at the bottom of the screen, there's Excalibur. But what's even more stupid is that it's on top of the ring when it's in the ground. So the ring has to pass through the sword! WTF?! And also, at the end of TRL, that monastery crumbles. How do they now leave? And how does Lara leave Jan Mayen Island? If you remember, she drives the bike through a tunnel and over a high ledge in the opening cutscene. Does the bike simply flutter back up? Very stupid and thinly written. Has anyone not noticed that the front door of her manor is BEHIND the staircase?! That's especially stupid. And obvious - how did they think we wouldn't notice?!

Thor's hammer is nothing but a piece of metal. The gauntlets are needed to open Valhalla to even get to the hammer and the belt is needed to power the gauntlets.

It says "Slayer of Giants" never how many times you have to strike a giant with it.

Many people wouldn't have thought to plug the rocks into the giant spinning mechanism. Luckily Lara lives on the edge.

Maybe mjolnir was killing her but when she hit the eitr it held onto what life she had left.

Tomb Raider added it's own style to myths. Odin's hall was one of the resting places for the dead (thralls) and it was a gian hall with large hammers. And after centuries it wouldn't be in great condition at all.

Natla was a god. Why should one god know a sacred ritual and other gods not.

Natla never cared about Avalon, she wanted to destroy the world and create a new one in her image. The scion was one way of going about that, the midgard serpent another.

In a cutscene Natla walks up behind Lara, so presumably she just followed Lara into Helheim. If you mean how did she get to the gate, it has been clarified there is another (dry) entrance. Natla, Amanda, and the doppelganger most likely used that one.

Hel was the ruler of Helheim. She's usually depicted as half woman, half skeleton. That was not supposed to be Amelia Croft.

Lara left them in the arctic. She's rich, she could buy more. Besides that has nothing at all to do with the plot.

Maybe Excalibur flew through the portal faster than the women. But i have no idea what you mean by the sword in the ring.

There were to walkways at the side of the room above where the floor fell away. Amanda and Lara could have easily used those.

Well Lara most likely back tracked and grabbed the bike and drove out. As a game developer would you waste the time creating that when it can be infered.

I'd have to agree with you about the front door though.

[carbint]

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Thor's hammer is nothing but a piece of metal. The gauntlets are needed to open Valhalla to even get to the hammer and the belt is needed to power the gauntlets.

But what I'm saying is, you must have the two gauntlets in order to touch Mjolnir, and you need the belt to be able to lift it. That's what the legend says.

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

It says "Slayer of Giants" never how many times you have to strike a giant with it.

I know, but Yeti Thralls are probably SMALLER than the giants she's referring to, and yet it takes three shots to kill one. Or, for some mad reason, one single headshot with a spear gun takes it out in one go.

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Many people wouldn't have thought to plug the rocks into the giant spinning mechanism. Luckily Lara lives on the edge.

I certainly would have done. I would have noticed giant weird shaped rocks, all uniform in size, and all identical, and with the glowing runes on the front, and I would have thought, "I wonder what this is?" and then, with minimal exploring, I would have found the very obvious runestone-shaped holes in the wall. But that's as far as I would have got, because I'm very pathetic and probably wouldn't be able to lift it

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Maybe mjolnir was killing her but when she hit the eitr it held onto what life she had left.

But Eitr kills people. Amelia for example...

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Tomb Raider added it's own style to myths. Odin's hall was one of the resting places for the dead (thralls) and it was a gian hall with large hammers. And after centuries it wouldn't be in great condition at all.

fair enough

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Natla was a god. Why should one god know a sacred ritual and other gods not.

because, well, erm...
oh all right then

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Natla never cared about Avalon, she wanted to destroy the world and create a new one in her image. The scion was one way of going about that, the midgard serpent another.

oh right

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

In a cutscene Natla walks up behind Lara, so presumably she just followed Lara into Helheim. If you mean how did she get to the gate, it has been clarified there is another (dry) entrance. Natla, Amanda, and the doppelganger most likely used that one.

But then, why didn't Lara?

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Hel was the ruler of Helheim. She's usually depicted as half woman, half skeleton. That was not supposed to be Amelia Croft.

Oh right.

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Lara left them in the arctic. She's rich, she could buy more. Besides that has nothing at all to do with the plot.

no need to get stroppy

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Maybe Excalibur flew through the portal faster than the women. But i have no idea what you mean by the sword in the ring.

But it's there even before the portal opens. It's already there when the cutscene starts. And what I mean is, before the ring comes out of the ground, when it's flat, the sword is on top of part of it. So when the ring lifts up, it would slide off and fall to the floor. But it doesn't. It stays where it is as the ring lifts up, and the ring goes through it. Then, when Amanda and Lara arrive, Lara picks up Excalibur and it's in the same place as before. The ring's gone back into the ground, flat again, and Excalibur's still on top of it.

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

There were to walkways at the side of the room above where the floor fell away. Amanda and Lara could have easily used those.

but if you remember, when the floor gives out beneath Lara, the door that she blasted open with excalibur opened out onto nothing. It was just a hole there. There wasn't any floor to get to the side walkways, because it fell apart.

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

Well Lara most likely back tracked and grabbed the bike and drove out. As a game developer would you waste the time creating that when it can be infered.

Yeah I know that, but what I meant was, at the beginning of Jan Mayen Island, when Lara goes inside, she jumps over a huge cliff on the bike in the cutscene, and then also once she enters the temple place, there's another large drop inside which is just vertical. You couldn't drive a bike up there. I'm not wondering how she did it, I'm just saying, it's a really crap way of keeping the player from going anywhere they shouldn't. It also happens in Mexico. At the beginning, she drives over that huge ledge. How does she get back? It's just a bad way of keeping the player from exploring the unexplorable.

Originally Posted by NatlaUnleashed94

I'd have to agree with you about the front door though.

Lol, that bit was so stupid!

I've noticed another flaw - when Amanda says, "Now we're going to die here. Huh, just like your mother!" and Lara remembers the dais, and runs over there. A HUUUGE flaw is that, when playing this level, you can't run to the dais, you have to climb to it. Which is no problem for Lara, but how the Hell did Amanda accomplish this? Even if she did, she's at the dais at the same time as Lara. it would have taken her a long time to even hobble over to the dais whilst Lara was running or even walking, but Amanda had to climb there, which is just stupid. She pysically would not be able to do it with a broken/sprained/whatever ankle.

And another thing - I thought that the Wraith Stone was "Out of juice". so how does Amanda prepare to fight Lara in Nepal?

[Pulse]

It refilled?

[ClankDaxter]

I realised that the first time I played

But actually if you look well at 2:53 the Hammer is laying in the ground, oposite to where Lara is moving They could at least have been smarter hiding the hammer or simply making the doppel throw the hammer to another place where she could later grab it.

[Belboz]

probably because it wasn't avalon, avalon's supposed to be a giant hall on top of a hill surrounded by fields.