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Old 09-18-2004, 07:42 AM
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Sigourney Weaver thinks that the quality of female action heroes has declined since she starred in Alien. "I'm not sure I'd say Angelina Jolie was brilliant in the way they used her in Lara Croft", Weaver told Spiegel magazine. "Angelina is a great actress, but her role is limited to fighting evil with weapons. I think it's quite a pity that an actress as good as Angelina Jolie isn't given more room to portray the character of Lara Croft with a touch more intelligence.

"They limited her to the video game character too much. To me, big breasts, hot pants and a gun in your hand aren't what makes a heroine." In the interview, Weaver also admits that a fifth Alien film is in the works, but that she won't be starring in it. "I know there's a script, but I haven't read it," she added. "Never say never, but I'm pretty sure this thing is over for me."

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Old 09-18-2004, 08:38 AM
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The "video-game character" experience is limited to the imagination of the player. Those who want to play Lara as the stereotype Ripley explains above will, those who have other fancies will have a richer experience. The joy of the Tomb Raider game world is that the player has a really neat foundation to build a complex world in, but without that player's imagination, a foundation is all it will be.

Gotta say, Angelina is a good actress, but she never convinced me she "was" Lara Croft. That remains for someone else to do, I think.
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Old 09-18-2004, 12:35 PM
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[B]Sigourney Weaver thinks that the quality of female action heroes has declined since she starred in Alien. "I'm not sure I'd say Angelina Jolie was brilliant in the way they used her in Lara Croft", Weaver told Spiegel magazine. "Angelina is a great actress, but her role is limited to fighting evil with weapons. I think it's quite a pity that an actress as good as Angelina Jolie isn't given more room to portray the character of Lara Croft with a touch more intelligence.

"They limited her to the video game character too much. To me, big breasts, hot pants and a gun in your hand aren't what makes a heroine."
I couldn't agree more.

But it has to be said, If they'd made the Tomb Raider movies CGI instead of with real people, that statement would never have been said.
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Old 09-18-2004, 01:10 PM
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Sorry, for me is AJ not Lara, too. But in this point SW is right: Big t*ts, hot pants and guns are not enough to make/be a heroine. How good that the games give more...
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Old 09-19-2004, 01:32 AM
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I think focusing on cup sizes as a definition of heroine will always fail, (I know some of you remember the immortal "Space Bunnies Must Die"), but I never got the impression that was what made Lara Croft, and I am still sure that only people who haven't played the game, or are perpetually 13 years old, harp on about that. Sigourney Weaver's Ripley is one of my heros, and Ms. Weaver played the role with conviction. The role of Lara Croft is harder because everyone already has expectations going in to the movie, as John Carter pointed out, based on their own imagination of how Lara Croft is. I also feel that AJ did well in the role, but I never feared for her like I did Sigourney, because I knew from the beginning that Lara Croft would be victorious. I admire Ms. Weaver's acting, and do AJ's too. I'd like to see what Sigourney could have done in the role......after seeing Galaxy Quest I have no doubts about her abilities at all.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:15 PM
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Gotta say, Angelina is a good actress, but she never convinced me she "was" Lara Croft. That remains for someone else to do, I think.
I agree........I didn't bother to see the second movie for that reason.
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Old 09-20-2004, 11:16 AM
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i dont really think any1 could portray Lara like she is in the games, so i hav to agree with dhama a CGI movie would be well better!
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Old 09-20-2004, 11:28 AM
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I agree Catsuit&Ponytail,

SW would have been an interesting choice to play Lara. I've seen all the Alien Movies and I believe that Riplys character was more intelligent and she had more of an edge. I liked the character because she was more down to earth and confident.
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Old 09-20-2004, 02:43 PM
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To begin with, I am not a big fan of Ms. Weaver. The content of the article sounds more to me like jealousy she has towards Angelina Jolie. I also believe that AJ did a wonderful job playing Lara Croft in both TR movies, although I prefered the first one best. To say she "isn't Lara Croft" is a rather silly comment because in the first place Lara Croft doesn't exist except in a video game and well, Angelina is Angelina. I hate always seeing everyone put AJ down as an actress because of these movies. Her acting in both films was superb. The scripts may have left a lot of room for improvement, but as for her acting abilities, they were impeccable. And I think whoever made this movie did well casting her for the role since it seems that a resemblance to Lara is important to everyone. I didn't go to the movies with preconceived ideas of how they should or shouldn't be. I went to them to enjoy an hour or so of entertainment. I believe I got my money's worth.
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Old 09-20-2004, 07:57 PM
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To begin with, I am not a big fan of Ms. Weaver. The content of the article sounds more to me like jealousy she has towards Angelina Jolie. I also believe that AJ did a wonderful job playing Lara Croft in both TR movies, although I prefered the first one best. To say she "isn't Lara Croft" is a rather silly comment because in the first place Lara Croft doesn't exist except in a video game and well, Angelina is Angelina. I hate always seeing everyone put AJ down as an actress because of these movies. Her acting in both films was superb. The scripts may have left a lot of room for improvement, but as for her acting abilities, they were impeccable. And I think whoever made this movie did well casting her for the role since it seems that a resemblance to Lara is important to everyone. I didn't go to the movies with preconceived ideas of how they should or shouldn't be. I went to them to enjoy an hour or so of entertainment. I believe I got my money's worth.
I agree. Ms. Weaver is just jealous she isn't in the spotlight for a strong female lead anymore. If she really wanted to put down a movie, it should have been both the Charlie's Angels movies.....
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Old 09-20-2004, 10:06 PM
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To begin with, I am not a big fan of Ms. Weaver. The content of the article sounds more to me like jealousy she has towards Angelina Jolie.
I doubt that considering the kind of characters she has played in the past! And she is right, I haven't seen anything like Ripley since the alien movies.

Imo, the main reasons why the TR movies weren't good, was because of bad script and bad directing, and doesn't have a lot to do with AJ's abilities as an actress.

I agree with John Carter though. Good as AJ is, she wasn't really Lara Croft to me either.
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Old 09-21-2004, 04:21 AM
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I doubt that considering the kind of characters she has played in the past! And she is right, I haven't seen anything like Ripley since the alien movies.

You got it exactly right....the movies she's done in the past. How many box office hits have we seen her in lately? Not too many. The article screams jealousy of an aging and somewhat bitter sounding actress that can't seem to stand the fact that Angelina Jolie has become Hollywood's sweetheart. And if the best film in her resume to boast about is "Alien", she hardly seems to be one casting stones when her house is just as fragile.
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Old 09-21-2004, 04:55 AM
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You got it exactly right....the movies she's done in the past. How many box office hits have we seen her in lately? Not too many.
The latest block buster probably being Heartbreakers from 2001. Not my favourite movie with her but still quite a lot of people saw it.

Imo, she hasn't been in a movie where she could really use her skills as an actor since Copycat & Alien Resurrection. (even if Galaxy Quest made me laugh) That proves her point even more, there aren't that many roles character roles for women. I doubt that her criticism of the TR movie was out of jealousy. If that were so, she would not have mentioned a movie like TR, but targeted more at a movie like "The bone collector".

Why does her not liking TR have to do with jealousy? Can't she have an opinion and like/dislike a movie or a character without a hidden agenda?
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Old 09-21-2004, 12:58 PM
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I don't like the way she described the character of Lara Croft. I really wished the movies followed the games storyline, so people would know how Lara REALLY got into ancient exploring(Non of these daddy issues crap). I can see how Ms. Weaver came up with her opinion on Lara based on the movie(they don't have enough time to give you her full background). I really hope hey make a third one, but this time I want a really indepth TR story.
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Old 09-23-2004, 06:34 PM
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i would say lara herself is not one . According to the story , she is a thief! She is a rich thief with a mansion with a built in inner swimming pool. That is why her name is "tomb raider". The reason is she raids people's tombs.
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Old 09-23-2004, 08:39 PM
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i would say lara herself is not one . According to the story , she is a thief! She is a rich thief with a mansion with a built in inner swimming pool. That is why her name is "tomb raider". The reason is she raids people's tombs.
I wouldn't call her a thief either. She does take artifacts from a place and keeps them in her house, though usually someone who wants to misuse it also wants it. At least with Lara we know it won't be used against man kind.
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I never SAID Lara was a heroine. I said she was like heroin - soothing, entertaining, and highly addictive. Ms. Weaver is perhaps experiencing a little spell of sour grapes. Maybe because A.J. is young and hot and getting all the roles she can't get anymore 'cause she looks like a surprised slab of beef jerky in a bad frightwig.
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Old 09-28-2004, 02:38 AM
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That's mean. It really saddens me that a woman who ages gracefully is only seen as too old. Women who I admire for being beautiful on their own terms, no matter the ticking of the clock. I draw solace from the knowledge that my Husband will still love me when I'm old and gray, and he'll still call me pretty no matter what the rest of the world sees.
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Old 09-28-2004, 03:09 AM
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That is very cruel, jso2897, and quite sexist too. Why do women above 37 have to be considered ugly when men are studs even in their 80's? Who do you have to look 21 to be pretty?

There isn't anything I can do about what you think is pretty in another human being, but do you have to put it in such a nasty way?
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Old 09-28-2004, 07:17 AM
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Maybe if Sigourney Weaver actually played the game and paid more attention to Lara she would realize that Lara is more than just big boobs and all. Lara is totally a women/lady of substance. GRRRR to Sigourney Weaver GRRRRRR
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Maybe if Sigourney Weaver actually played the game and paid more attention to Lara she would realize that Lara is more than just big boobs and all. Lara is totally a women/lady of substance. GRRRR to Sigourney Weaver GRRRRRR
Are you nuts? She breaks into the British Museum and starts killing the guards there. How does that make her a Hero OR a Lady????

I get the feeling you havenīt played all the games.
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Old 09-28-2004, 08:31 AM
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Are you nuts? She breaks into the British Museum and starts killing the guards there. How does that make her a Hero OR a Lady????

I get the feeling you havenīt played all the games.
No, no. Core forced her to do so. Lara would never do it
Btw: Lara is female = Heroine. Yep!
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Old 09-28-2004, 10:05 AM
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If someone can force her to do things she doesn't want to do she must be weak.
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Old 09-28-2004, 10:28 AM
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Now, now, now, people before we know we'll be going back to the old arguement of Lara not even being real!!!!
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She isn't real?

I wish you hadn't told me!
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